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ESO: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

UnleadedRevUnleadedRev Boston, MAPosts: 387Member Uncommon

After being driven back to WoW after playing in the ESO BETA, I decided to purchase ESO, as I really really want to like this game and give it more of a chance.

Here is my review, after a few days of playing as well as several beta weekends.

THE GOOD:

Beautiful Graphics, better storyline than what was in BETA (it seems), as well as voice acting, smooth release, no lag, no performance issues. I enjoy the combat, being able to dodge manually, block as well, and interupt all based on movement and clicking.

The UI is very intuitive, as are the skill tree's and almost all other menu's.

Interesting story, it helps to take your time and not rush thru, and enjoy the immersion.

Gear upgrades that can be done by yourself is refreshing.

Big world, no competiting for spawns, no grind.

No rat race like WoW, where you feel left behind.

Leveling feels good....takes longer to get and you feel like you acheived something.

THE BAD:

No way to block Gold Spamers...thats right, the gold spammers have arrived and not only thru zone chat, but using /Yell as well, and there seems to be no way to report ot block them, other than remove zone chat and yell from your options.

Some bugs such as werewolves and other spawns just standing there not able to attack or be attacked.

Everyone look the same, not much to make players unique from each other.

In some  areas where mobs of players are all running to the next objective....and thus kind of spoils the mystery...

Also, not really anything new or innovative is being brought to the table MMO wise...

THE UGLY:

The subscription...come on....that went the way of the dinosaurs....

Horses cost over 40K in gold unless you bought the Imperial Edition, which frankly IMHO is a total waste of money.

Kind of lonely....seems very hard to find groups or invite players into one.

CONCLUSION:

It is the Elder Scrolls...which is the only reason I am playing this game.

However, so far I am enjoying the immersion....this is due to the great graphics, great story and voice overs.

Seems release is much better than BETA IMHO....

I have shut off "zone chat" to stay immersed as I am more interested in it as a MMORPG  as opposed to a rat race MMO.

Thus in a nutshell, if you are the type who wants Immersion in your RPG, take your time, enjoy yourself and avoid the MMO rat race, then this game is for you.

Otherwise, as I have learned again....and again....that if a MMO rat race is more suited for you than WoW would be better.

I truly think this game ESO is more of a RPG persons type game.

 

 

 

I've never been less hyped for a WoW expansion. Blizzard really needs to prove they can do something other then the whole infinite gear treadmill dance, slowly and painfully introduced.


Comments

  • PulsarManPulsarMan Tampa, FLPosts: 289Member

    Good read! 

    As far as gold spam - Have you been unable to right-click > Ignore people? I've been doing so, but I guess I didn't take the time to notice if it was working or not. 

  • SephrosSephros Somewhere, CAPosts: 396Member Uncommon
    All you have to do is right click the gold spammers name and select ignore...

    Error: No Keyboard Detected!
    Press F1 to continue......

  • DEATHRAMENTDEATHRAMENT HALIFAX, NSPosts: 611Member Uncommon
    There is an ignore function in game, although its hard to keep on top of it. I'm  loving the game though.
  • intiorizedintiorized WienPosts: 142Member
    "

    Thus in a nutshell, if you are the type who wants Immersion in your RPG, take your time, enjoy yourself and avoid the MMO rat race, then this game is for you.

    Otherwise, as I have learned again....and again....that if a MMO rat race is more suited for you than WoW would be better.

    I truly think this game ESO is more of a RPG persons type game."

     

    That´s what people should have to know before they start TESO. It´s more focused on the RPG part than on the MMO part. Although it still makes fun with others, and this option to quest with others/ make dungeons combined with the huge world of Tamriel, the lore background and the lovely details which you can find by exploring makes it for me one of the best experiences until know. I´m quite a huge TES fan (but not that i know every detail of the lore) and i do like it that i have the chance to see Tamriel and if i want this share this experience with others. I don´t have to mod anything and i am hoping to see the whole continent of Tamriel and maybe sometimes an other continent of Nirn. I missed a MMO with such a great background. Let´s see what the next year brings.

    Yes there are some Bugs and i hate that also. It´s just frustrating that so many people accept unfinished and unpolished products. But i do appreciate the work of the Developers it must have been a big project creating this world, mostly stand to the TES Lore and satisfy both, TES and MMO fans. Think they have found a good way to satisfy these groups except the hardcore TES and MMO fans, who wanted a real TES / MMO. Maybe they needed just the few months until June or July, but maybe the pressure of the publisher was to big. Since they improved the game very much each beta test (except the last one) i trust them to polish furthermore in the next few weeks.

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  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,690Member Uncommon

    Just going to touch on a few point here.

    1) You sure can block gold spammers. Really dont know how it was hard to figure out to right click their name and then click "Ignore" (which blocks their entire account, not just that character). It actually functions better than most games due to the full account block, rather than dealing with them just spamming on a new character same account.

    2) Not sure what youre saying is bad about everyone "looking the same". Youve got just about as much customization in the character creation as you do in any TES game, down to adjusting the sizes of individual body parts, facial features, etc. As far as armor goes, the only thing missing is a dye system, although that wasnt in any TES games that I can recall either.Aside from the dye, it has more to offer than most other games by allowijng you to create every armor piece and weapon with a different racial style. Youre not stuck with having X sword or X helmet looking the same for everyone. 2 people might have the same exact equipment on but 1 decked out in Orc style and another in Bosmer, which make them look quite different. So aside from people not having a bunch of different colors, they look more unique than in most other games.

    Basically: If you enjoyed the amount of customization available in TES SP games, you'll find just as much here.

    3) No, subscriptions haven't gone the way of the dinosaurs. Just because a few major MMOS (most of which were struggling to get subs in the 1st place a couple of years after launch) went F2P doesnt mean every game is going to launch as F2P.

  • macromastiamacromastia Christiana, TNPosts: 23Member
    there is also an addon for gold chat spam too if you feel inclined to use it.
  • DibdabsDibdabs FelvershamPosts: 2,604Member Uncommon
    It's strange about gold-sellers because I haven't seen a single one on the EU server.  As yet.  It's odd they're doing it because they need a paid account to do it and, after this month, a sub - how are they making a profit with accounts being (hopefully) banned?
  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Youngstown, OHPosts: 495Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by UnleadedRev

    After being driven back to WoW after playing in the ESO BETA, I decided to purchase ESO, as I really really want to like this game and give it more of a chance.Here is my review, after a few days of playing as well as several beta weekends.THE GOOD:Beautiful Graphics, better storyline than what was in BETA (it seems), as well as voice acting, smooth release, no lathat's o performance issues. I enjoy the combat, being able to dodge manually, block as well, and interupt all based on movement and clicking.The UI is very intuitive, as are the skill tree's and almost all other menu's.Interesting story, it helps to take your time and not rush thru, and enjoy the immersion.Gear upgrades that can be done by yourself is refreshing.Big world, no competiting for spawns, no grind.No rat race like WoW, where you feel left behind.Leveling feels good....takes longer to get and you feel like you acheived something.THE BAD:No way to block Gold Spamers...thats right, the gold spammers have arrived and not only thru zone chat, but using /Yell as well, and there seems to be no way to report ot block them, other than remove zone chat and yell from your options.Some bugs such as werewolves and other spawns just standing there not able to attack or be attacked.Everyone look the same, not much to make players unique from each other.In some  areas where mobs of players are all running to the next objective....and thus kind of spoils the mystery...Also, not really anything new or innovative is being brought to the table MMO wise...THE UGLY:The subscription...come on....that went the way of the dinosaurs....Horses cost over 40K in gold unless you bought the Imperial Edition, which frankly IMHO is a total waste of money.Kind of lonely....seems very hard to find groups or invite players into one.CONCLUSION:It is the Elder Scrolls...which is the only reason I am playing this game.However, so far I am enjoying the immersion....this is due to the great graphics, great story and voice overs.Seems release is much better than BETA IMHO....I have shut off "zone chat" to stay immersed as I am more interested in it as a MMORPG  as opposed to a rat race MMO.Thus in a nutshell, if you are the type who wants Immersion in your RPG, take your time, enjoy yourself and avoid the MMO rat race, then this game is for you.Otherwise, as I have learned again....and again....that if a MMO rat race is more suited for you than WoW would be better.I truly think this game ESO is more of a RPG persons type game.   

     

    I'm glad people can enjoy this game, but the problem I have is as just as you described, to enjoy this game, you've got to shut out everyone else around you and take your time. That's fine, but when you tack on the monthly fee, your effectively paying a monthly fee for a single player experience, that's not ok. The value just isn't there when one can play vanilla or modded Skyrim for a flat fee, I think Vanilla at this point is around $20 - that's it $20 and done no need to spend another penny for hours of entertainment that is very similar and an arguably better experience than ESO.
  • Colt47Colt47 Naperville, ILPosts: 310Member Uncommon
    I'm just waiting for more reviews of the game to come out to get a good opinion on the game systems and how it plays on release.  I do buy some games out of just hearing the premise, but ESO is one of those games that sounds like it was conceived on the tail end of the MMO gold rush that happened post WoWs unexpected and massive success.
  • PulsarManPulsarMan Tampa, FLPosts: 289Member

    Gold spammers have begun using a tactic where they type a normal looking message, give themselves a bit of space, then spam you to death. It gives the impression that there is no name tied to the message, just harmless player chat in between. It threw me off at first. 

    Example:

    King Smashyoface: Anyone figure out how to do the quest with King blah blah

     

    BUYGOLD

    BUYGOLD

    BUYGOLD

    BUYGOLD

    King Smashyoface: Looking for party for King blah blah

     

    BUYGOLD

    BUYGOLD

    BUYGOLD

    BUYGOLD

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Elmira, ONPosts: 2,499Member Uncommon

    I have seen the issue with static mobs, but it hasn't actually prevented me from progressing yet. 

     

    I do get what you mean about looking the same. Sometimes it's difficult to tell who's an NPC and who's a real person even. Either way, it sort of helps immersion IMO. 

     

    In one breath you complain about tons of groups running to the next mob and ruining the mystery for you, but then you say it feels lonely. Obviously at least 4 other people aren't having troubles finding a group. The truth is that the best place to find groups are in quest zones, and there are no shortage of people there. The population is healthy ever before launch, almost annoyingly healthy at times. I actually found it more difficult to complete a couple quests due to people stealing my mobs than the difficulty of the game itself. 

     

    As far as mount costs, 40K is a lot of gold. However, I feel that mounts these days are just too easy. If you aren't simply given one, the actual cost is negligible in the game. I think I have about 100 mounts in WoW at this point. However, I only had 1 mount for the longest time. It was just too costly or time consuming to get them. I would much rather have that sense of satisfaction when I do actually get one though. For those who actually bought a collectors edition, I guess it was a pretty good value. So I don't see it as a bad thing at all. It's the sense of entitlement that we deserve a mount, for some reason, that we need to stop.

     

    As far as the monthly subscription goes, I think it'll always be around. Actually ESO goes one step further and is offering microtransactions at launch. That's a pretty bold move. Subscription models certainly aren't dead by any means. Right now they're mostly reserved for the select few games which are worthy of a subscription (which aren't many). Problem is that you can't introduce a sub model after launch, or maybe you can (it's never been done though), but taking a sub away, or making it optional later on is a much less painful process. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,228Member Uncommon

    Goods

    The game world is very beautiful and incredibly detailed. They did not put the same TLC into the character models, which is usually okay because you're too busy looking at the gorgeous world.

     

    Bads

    Just ignore the spammers. Or report & then ignore them. Right click -> ignore.

    People look similar because we're low level - gear gets more interesting and as you find the racial motifs you can mix'n'match styles from the different races to create unique looks. People's faces and bodies however, do vary quite a bit.

    Run a different direction from the mob of players, or if it's a public dungeon . . . welcome to public dungeons that's how they are. Thankfully ZOS has included solo dungeons , party dungeons and 4 man dungeons.

     

    Uglies

    Subscription: I really hope it stays, unless they adopt a really player friendly F2P model (aka non intrusive / non p2w / non constantly updating cash shop) I much prefer subs, it's cheaper for me. I like to support the game I enjoy, f2p just means I have to pay more to support people who aren't willing to pay (which means they shouldn't be there in the first place).

    Expensive horses are good. Worst thing that happened in WoW was the move from long gold grind to purchase your mount to the collectibles system. It was a rite of passage to get your mount when it would take a month or more to grind the gold and you made sure you picked the mount you really wanted. In any case, gold isn't that hard to come by, have 6k after two days of playing and that's just from regular playing not a power-crafter.

    Can't help with being lonely, you're the only one who can rectify that.

     

  • Dragoncline00Dragoncline00 Windsor, WIPosts: 21Member
    You can report the gold spammers.  Just have to fill out ticket and report them  for violating the TOS  agreement
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by UnleadedRev

    After being driven back to WoW after playing in the ESO BETA, I decided to purchase ESO, as I really really want to like this game and give it more of a chance.

    Here is my review, after a few days of playing as well as several beta weekends.

    THE GOOD:

    Beautiful Graphics, better storyline than what was in BETA (it seems), as well as voice acting, smooth release, no lag, no performance issues. I enjoy the combat, being able to dodge manually, block as well, and interupt all based on movement and clicking.

    The UI is very intuitive, as are the skill tree's and almost all other menu's.

    Interesting story, it helps to take your time and not rush thru, and enjoy the immersion.

    Gear upgrades that can be done by yourself is refreshing.

    Big world, no competiting for spawns, no grind.

    No rat race like WoW, where you feel left behind.

    Leveling feels good....takes longer to get and you feel like you acheived something.

    THE BAD:

    No way to block Gold Spamers...thats right, the gold spammers have arrived and not only thru zone chat, but using /Yell as well, and there seems to be no way to report ot block them, other than remove zone chat and yell from your options.  Point taken should be highest priority

    Some bugs such as werewolves and other spawns just standing there not able to attack or be attacked.

    Everyone look the same, not much to make players unique from each other. There is an incredible lot of different looks... each race has 4 armor sets for each of the 15 zones.. but, they are all realistically looking.... no WoWish looks here... i love the amount of armors..

    In some  areas where mobs of players are all running to the next objective....and thus kind of spoils the mystery...  Najor problem indeed, ruins immersiion and challenge

    Also, not really anything new or innovative is being brought to the table MMO wise...  Its evolution, finally stories, crafting and exploration done right in an MMO

    THE UGLY:

    The subscription...come on....that went the way of the dinosaurs.... A death cow, it is as it is.. abnd for all great MMO? before it has worked

    Horses cost over 40K in gold unless you bought the Imperial Edition, which frankly IMHO is a total waste of money.  40K gold is not much at endgame...  its just to support the econnomy... gold needs to be rare in MMO? to have a working economy, allways new stuff to work for and wish for... being able to afford everything ruins much of the game for me

    Kind of lonely....seems very hard to find groups or invite players into one.  Its a choice to comfort the ES fans.  There is however a few elite mobs in open world zones.... but for grouping there is groupdungeons/Adventure zones/PvP

    CONCLUSION:

    It is the Elder Scrolls...which is the only reason I am playing this game.

    However, so far I am enjoying the immersion....this is due to the great graphics, great story and voice overs.

    This is the reason to play this game in the first place...  and there is probably more of this great content then in any other MMO at release..

    Seems release is much better than BETA IMHO....

    I have shut off "zone chat" to stay immersed as I am more interested in it as a MMORPG  as opposed to a rat race MMO.

    Thus in a nutshell, if you are the type who wants Immersion in your RPG, take your time, enjoy yourself and avoid the MMO rat race, then this game is for you.

    Otherwise, as I have learned again....and again....that if a MMO rat race is more suited for you than WoW would be better.

    I truly think this game ESO is more of a RPG persons type game.

     

     

     

    I agree with that last sentence... its an RPG game in a multiplayer world, with COoP in dungeons and adventure zones.... and a huge PvP battlefield, and a lot of small systems that make people socialise ... all in gredients i need to have a lot of fun..

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • SilacoidSilacoid Chicago, ILPosts: 237Member

    The ugly sections aren't very ugly if you ask me.

    You knew the game was a subscription game, so it seems crazy to me to list it as a negative.

    Most MMO's don't give you a free horsey either and finding a group is pretty easy if you take the time to try to form one.  Just because there aren't groups sitting in some group finder doesn't mean players won't want to group up.

    I would find it a negative if the game didn't make me work for a mount, I'm not all that jealous of the people who move 15% faster than me.

  • ArndushArndush Dallas, TXPosts: 303Member

    OP,

    A few thoughts:

    1. Gold Spammers: I heard someone on my guilds RaidCall say there was an Addon to block Gold Spammers. I was only half listening because I was crafting at the time, but I'll ask again tonight and if I find out the name of the addon, I'll post it in this thread.
    2. Horses: Not all horses cost 40 K. There is a 17 k horse. You should be able to make that by level 20. I'm told the quests from 15 - 20 start paying out 300 - 500 gold per quest. One of my guild mates who is level 20 made 18k questing yesterday.
    3. Subscriptions: You play WoW and you're mad about subs in ESO? Personally, I'm just fine with it. But, then I'm not spending $60 month on other new games that come out. I might buy 3 or 4 more games all year.
     
  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,969Member Uncommon
    I haven't seen one gold spam message on EU. Feel a little left out.
  • paul43paul43 OsloPosts: 119Member Uncommon

    Broken Quests, Broken public dungeon, 2/3 of the lvl 12-15 dungeons have broken events or are very easy to break, broken Dark Anchors.

    In the beta I geared up for dungeons using Dark Anchors, on live I had to start the lvl 12 dungeons in White and a couple of green pieces. Since you reach lvl 12 far before you actually do any lvl 12 quests now after they made the starting zones optional. 

    The Dungeons were pretty hard at 12 in white gear, or the group I was in wasn't so good, not so easy to tell. But now that I'm 13 and in full green/blue it's much easier.  Atleast I'm thinking the dungeons are scaled for green gear minimum or it is much harder. With almost all ways to get gear currently not working it makes the game harder and probably frustrating to some.

  • sfc1971sfc1971 UtrechtPosts: 421Member
    Originally posted by Dibdabs
    It's strange about gold-sellers because I haven't seen a single one on the EU server.  As yet.  It's odd they're doing it because they need a paid account to do it and, after this month, a sub - how are they making a profit with accounts being (hopefully) banned?

    You don't need a payed account to gold spam, only idiot developers think this.

    Steps:

    Make a pre-order for the game on a credit card.

    Wait till pre-order early access is send to you.

    Cancel order or simply do not have enough funds to pay for the shipment of the game.

    Spam!

    You can check this easily, is the account name (the one you ignore, not the character name) a random string? Then it was setup as above, an "exploit" that has been exploited since early access was introduced years ago. It is not complex stuff yet it catches every single MMO developer unaware.

    Even worse? Right click to report player? The game does NOT include the account name or character name, ESO support wants to write down a 10-15 random string, then type it in the report window.

    MMO developers all got a blindspot when it comes to gold selling.

  • SaunZSaunZ Las Vegas, NVPosts: 159Member

    I'm having a blast in TESO!  Haven't seen that much spamming and the game is at a great launch status.  I love the weight of the game... when i hit something it really feels like it got hit.  and blocking... i have learned to block and that feels awesome.  Healing random groups of peepz as they run by or when they are fighting is fun too.  I love the healing animations!

     

    cya in game,

    Sz

  • HusvikHusvik Somewhere, ONPosts: 440Member

    OP good post, except i have to throw 2 cents at "everyone looks the same".

    Reading your post and how it hits so many correct points, but reading the above statement left me wondering if you actually played the game at all. lol

    I've stood at the bank countless times in awe that no one looks the same, i've yet to find another player that looks close to my character in any way.

    I agree about the RPG, atm i'm trying to pin down what has got me so hooked on this mmo. It feels so right in so many ways, like coming home again or something.

    I've played all the Elder Scrolls games and as many others can attest, Morrowind was the mind = blown moment in gaming.

    Oblivion was good too, and Skyrim was OK, i mean it was really good don't get me wrong but it was simply another ES game.

    In the past i have been negative about ESO, not going to get into detail but as a big fan of ES i guess i didn't want to get my hopes up after being let down so many times with mmo games over the last several years.

    ESO has the old comfortable feeling of mmo's in the old familiar ES world, it's amazing to be running around Tamriel with other players, the music, the lore... the list goes on.

    I'm so glad i never played the beta, nor got all hyped out, and especially get my hopes up for this one. It's exactly what the "becoming stale" sp games needed, real players flooding the streets.

  • IparaIpara Oceanside, CAPosts: 1Member
    Here's my two cents concerning ESO. First of all I've played MMO's for a long time, WoW for 7 years, GW2, and currently involved with Wildstar. With that out of the way I was a part of several Beta weekends for ESO and purchased the game before it went live, 5 day early access. For me the story line is great, wonderful graphics and sound effects, but I have a few issues that bother me to no end and may cause me to not renew my subscription after the 30 days are up. First and foremost is the combat. Attacking single monsters/people is no big deal; and for the most part two of them, but there are several areas where you have to contend with three of them or the "boss" characters at the end of the quest line. The issue with "me" is I find myself dying way to much and looking around at other players it's way to common. The combat system to me is a big deal and I find myself pulling my hair out whenever I'm involved with a group or "boss" even though I love challenges and I hate to just walk over the quests as though they shouldn't even be there. I've tried several different characters throughout the Beta weekends and started a different character when the game went live, but, maybe it's just me, I find it weird that every character can, for the most part, use whatever they want as far as weapons go. Combat, to me, is much better handled in Tera then it is in ESO, and unless things change I will not be coming back to the game for the reason described above...  
  • CoffeeBreakCoffeeBreak Mechanicsburg, PAPosts: 236Member
    Originally posted by Ipara
    Here's my two cents concerning ESO. First of all I've played MMO's for a long time, WoW for 7 years, GW2, and currently involved with Wildstar. With that out of the way I was a part of several Beta weekends for ESO and purchased the game before it went live, 5 day early access. For me the story line is great, wonderful graphics and sound effects, but I have a few issues that bother me to no end and may cause me to not renew my subscription after the 30 days are up. First and foremost is the combat. Attacking single monsters/people is no big deal; and for the most part two of them, but there are several areas where you have to contend with three of them or the "boss" characters at the end of the quest line. The issue with "me" is I find myself dying way to much and looking around at other players it's way to common. The combat system to me is a big deal and I find myself pulling my hair out whenever I'm involved with a group or "boss" even though I love challenges and I hate to just walk over the quests as though they shouldn't even be there. I've tried several different characters throughout the Beta weekends and started a different character when the game went live, but, maybe it's just me, I find it weird that every character can, for the most part, use whatever they want as far as weapons go. Combat, to me, is much better handled in Tera then it is in ESO, and unless things change I will not be coming back to the game for the reason described above...  

    Well that's weird....

     

    Not your opinion, but picking a thread from three weeks ago to tack your opinion to the end of...

     

    Might as well just make your own thread it will fit in perfectly.

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