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[Column] Elder Scrolls Online: The Best & Worst Things About ESO

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,619MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

If you've turned on a computer in the last week, you've probably heard the news: Zenimax is finally pulling back the veil on Elder Scrolls Online. Beginning with the lifting of the press NDA last week and now the total opening of the floodgates, MMORPG has been on the cutting edge every step of the way. I have remained silent, a member of the weekend betas and an occasional visitor to the 24/7 internal test. That time has come. Read on to see my personal take on the good and bad of ESO.

Read more of Chris Coke's The List: The Best & Worst Things About ESO.

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  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 880Member Uncommon
    i approve this message... thx god some of the worsts can be fixed, while others shouldnt be fixed cause the alternative would be even worse due to lack of an ideal solution...but there are some drawbacks to the game no question...
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko RotterdamPosts: 3,845Member Uncommon
    While there's quite a few debatable points in this opinion piece, one thing I'll agree wholeheartedly with: "ESO is set to be one of the most devisive MMO's of recent times" !
  • McSireMcSire Toronto, ONPosts: 43Member
    Seems like all the "Worst" things, are personal preference and opinion. I disagree with almost all of them except the "More MMO than Elder Scrolls" and maybe the phasing.

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  • RyowulfRyowulf Greensburg, PAPosts: 668Member

    I find that eso didn't focus enough on group play. Its funny what still devs don't get that an mmo should do everything it can to make it easy to play with your friends.  Grouping is a mess trying to get everyone in the same phase. A lot of unneeded running around. Guild and group tools are bare bones.  

    You should be able to do quests together. There should be ways outside of pvp to group with your friends no matter the level.  Eso is a game that cane decide if its a single player game with multi-play or an mmo.  The game as a whole suffers because the devs are trying to please everyone.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,459Member Uncommon

    I agree with most of  this though I don't really have issues with the first person combat (I use it a lot) and I question, at least to the levels I achieved, if there really are things to discover other than more quests or a chest here and there.

    I find that I can't play ESO like I play Morrowind, Oblvion and Skyrim. In those games I head out and discover places and can spend a lot of time in those places. I haven't found many places in ESO and the places I did find were explored in a few minutes.

    edit: I'll also add that I have a concern for RvR in that it feels like it's just flipping keeps. Not to say I didn't enjoy them, I did! But I am concerned that it will keep players engaged over the months to come.

     

  • ObraObra Seattle, WAPosts: 5Member
    I was really looking forward to this, and it was a major letdown for me.  The pricing model was the final nail in the coffin.  Neverwinter is much better in many ways, and that's just sad.
  • orbitxoorbitxo fort lauderdale, FLPosts: 1,408Member Uncommon

    my 'MAIN" #1 problem with ESO was and still is- the body and armor detail- after playing TSW (the secret world) you are spoiled!

    i hope they can fix this in the future because as a graphic designer i see the details. as many do...

    the story telling is the most solid here in any mmorpg.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 880Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vivasvan
    The worst thing is no solid dungeon raiding. Just something called adventure zones. Which are a 12 man gank/ rift or final fantasy style fate.

    $15 a month for that and the end game?

    Get real ESO what were u devs on when you decided that the end game didn't matter.

     

    you see, the thing is - a lot of people - me included - couldnt care less about raiding... and whats better? 40 men raiding? or 2000 men pvp?

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 880Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by orbitxo

    my 'MAIN" #1 problem with ESO was and still is- the body and armor detail- after playing TSW (the secret world) you are spoiled!

    i hope they can fix this in the future because as a graphic designer i see the details. as many do...

    the story telling is the most solid here in any mmorpg.

     

    i think its kinda hard to get a more layered look with large sclae pvp performance wise? honestly, i thought it to be much worse in earlier betas or earlier pictures than it is now - so they clearly improved it...it could be better, but i prefer a good performance over it.

    One point that eso does superb where most other mmo's fail regarding armor is that the armor looks actually worn, with scratches and dents and dirt...it makes for a realistic gritty look instead of the usualy shiny new look - i really really like that.

  • orbitxoorbitxo fort lauderdale, FLPosts: 1,408Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nemesis7884
    Originally posted by orbitxo

    my 'MAIN" #1 problem with ESO was and still is- the body and armor detail- after playing TSW (the secret world) you are spoiled!

    i hope they can fix this in the future because as a graphic designer i see the details. as many do...

    the story telling is the most solid here in any mmorpg.

     

    i think its kinda hard to get a more layered look with large sclae pvp performance wise? ...

    ok-im open this.

    and you are right, the armor has looked better once i change my mage to mail. maybe they are slowly improving this...

     

  • CazNeergCazNeerg Puyallup, WAPosts: 2,198Member
    Comparing the voice acting to Skyrim is inaccurate and insulting, even if it was meant as a positive.  The voice acting in Skyrim is mostly terrible, a perfect example of what not to do.  Hell, they have a lot of third-rate hacks with extremely distinctive voices doing 20-30 different characters each, with no attempt to sound at all different for any of them.  Zenimax has been way more professional and polished on the voice acting front than the Skyrim team was.

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  • ArskaaaArskaaa KauhajokiPosts: 842Member Uncommon

    some good forget;

    no cooldowns on skills, no more hotbar watching.

    looting dont require corpse clicking, same goes for mining and gathering.

     
  • NomadMorlockNomadMorlock N/A, VAPosts: 593Member Uncommon


    Even with it's flaws, I was more immersed in the world during my time in Beta than I have been in any MMO released in the last 7 years.

    With some continued refinement, this could be something special.

     
  • FlyinDutchman87FlyinDutchman87 London MIlls, ILPosts: 247Member Uncommon

    I agree across the board....

     

    Although I'd add

     

    The worst 1-7 grind of any game in the history of mankind.

     

    The combat is boring but AvA is a riot.  It is a mixed bag.

     

    /Agree with OP

  • Ides385Ides385 Prairieville, LAPosts: 71Member

    Completely disagree with the combat. As a DK tank it was more fun and action packed than any previous TES title. Add in the cooperation with other peoples skills and its very fun. I don't like range combat much though, archery mainly, as there is no true aiming. I like to lead and arc my shots. Not watch the arrow curve when he runs.

    The phasing isn't a huge deal for me. It was a little buggy during BETA and there are restrictions but it wasn't a big problem for me. Lost 2 groups out of 20ish due to phasing.

    I didn't really notice a problem with the animations and armor detail (besides bugs). Sure it wasn't top notch but if that's what it takes for the game to run as smooth as it did, I don't care.

    More MMO that elder scrolls? Don't get this. It is an MMO and elder scrolls. You can play it just like ES plus have a bunch of MMO features. Well minus the true aiming and less interactive items. I did find a lot of stuff exploring. From fun quest to tough fights and loot of course.

    I'd be happier with 1st person view if they increased the field of view, its to tight right now. I like to use it when I'm roaming the country side (and no UI). In battles, especially with melee, I switch to 3rd person.

     

    I only have two issues with the game.

    1. The slow start that may detour people.

    2. No true aiming.

     

    Most fun I've had in a game in a long time. Group dungeons are my favorite and PvP was epic.

     
  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,379Member Uncommon
    Good read and I agree with the OP. The only point that I couldn't relate to was the AvA and that was only because I never experienced it. The videos I have seen does make it look fun and it is a shame I lost interest before I made it there. A lot of the worst on the list are personal preferences, but I agree with them. During my first weekend I didn't get bored but I did find myself wondering what the draw of the game would be for me and my friends because the buddy I was testing with did not see himself playing it again and we both found ourselves questioning the PvE pull we have felt from other games. I beta tested it a the second weekend and it was then that I felt it was a chore to log on. I am sure I could get at the least my money's worth for the initial purchase, but I will have to wait and see what else comes about because I don't want to support another sub based game that gives me a sub par experience. 

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  • LahuzerLahuzer BorPosts: 667Member Uncommon
    Seems like the actuall endgame PVP with RvRvR is pointless, so I will pass on ESO. They sure missed the chance on making this the first AAA-sandbox MMO. So sad. And with the themepark changes to ArcheAge, us sandbox lovers will have to stick to indie games like Mortal Online (that almost is more of a "Elder Scrolls"-MMO then ESO...). And I personally look forward to The Repopulation myself.
     
  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    I've love to see some XB1/PS4 gameplay... it's only 4 months to launch.

    That is going to be what makes me buy or skip- if it looks/runs good on XB1 and how the control scheme is setup.

  • Ryoshi1Ryoshi1 Osaka, PAPosts: 139Member

    Pretty much for the worse parts :D

    - first person needs fov slider

    - armor is painted on, that's why you can still see your flimsy arms, they need more variety for armor

    - phasing is bad

    - range targeting needs work

    - potion slots needs work /datringsrsly

    - need collision for pvp /stuck

    - wtb lipsync for muppetnpcs

  • sketocafesketocafe StoupaPosts: 801Member Uncommon
    We all have our tastes but I just don't get the dislike of early levels. This is the first game I've played apart from TSW that actually tries to have interesting quests early on. We can debate how well they've succeeded but most MMOS don't even fucking try, it's just kill x and collect y from the damned start. I think this has been the best early mmo i've seen in a while, though for some reason it differs wildly within itself, Daggerfall sucks compared to Aldmeri for starting.
  • MindTriggerMindTrigger La Quinta, CAPosts: 2,596Member
    Phasing is the worst of all.  Enough to keep me from spending a dime on this game.

    A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 880Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by NomadMorlock


    Even with it's flaws, I was more immersed in the world during my time in Beta than I have been in any MMO released in the last 7 years.

    With some continued refinement, this could be something special.

     

    agree 100%

  • jpaprockijpaprocki Davisville, WVPosts: 272Member Uncommon

    If your a crafter then you should love the starting zones.  Horde all the mats you can before you leave, because once you do, they become harder to get.

    i agree with most of the OP positives and only one of the negatives and that is the phasing.  I don't care for it, though I understand why they have it.

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  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 ZurichPosts: 880Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lahuzer
    Seems like the actuall endgame PVP with RvRvR is pointless, so I will pass on ESO. They sure missed the chance on making this the first AAA-sandbox MMO. So sad. And with the themepark changes to ArcheAge, us sandbox lovers will have to stick to indie games like Mortal Online (that almost is more of a "Elder Scrolls"-MMO then ESO...). And I personally look forward to The Repopulation myself.
     
     

    i guess "fun" in a game is pointless for you....

  • RelGnRelGn halalaPosts: 494Member

    I wouldn't say that combat speed is slow.I like it that way.

    But animations are indeed awful.

    What i would like to remark is that this game indeed fails to impress just like wow did back in the days.

    I feel that a game to be successful  has to charm and impress the player and go OMG!

     

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