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Hands on with three ESO dungeons.

JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
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  • AndrewGoatAndrewGoat St. Albans, WVPosts: 96Member

    Fun? I heard, according to the know it all media and forum goers, that this game can't be fun. I mean, look at all the unfun in that video. How far they have to run. Man, those horses are so expensive. They clearly also had to have all 4 people be Imperials for those boss fights. Man, what an unfun game. This game will tank being so unfun.

     

    :)

  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,229Member Uncommon

    Good video even though the voice over guy is pretty boring.

     

    Yeah I think Zenimax has one of the worst marketing teams I've seen. They have a good game on their hands, they're just terrible at showcasing it.

  • ScotScot UKPosts: 5,769Member Uncommon

    Don't say it is fun, all the content locusts will want to join in. Remember its the sort of MMO you have to be prepared to spend some time in to get something out of it. If you play for more than ten hours you are going to get into it.

    Keep using phrases like that or we will be overwhelmed by a plague of locusts.

  • ariestearieste toronto, ONPosts: 3,308Member Common

    This looks good!    Lots of interesting mechanics.  Also nice that very few of these are 4 vs. boss fights, most have adds and lots of other stuff happening.

     

    I was concerned with groupsize being so small in ESO, but this looks pretty good. 

     

    Also nice that you can immediately do other alliances' dungeons as you level.     

     

    Good stuff!

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  • IkedaIkeda Largo, FLPosts: 2,204Member Uncommon

    Maybe I'm confused...

    All of these "Synergies" are just a method to maintain cookie cutter builds?  So if I don't do certain questlines to unlock certain abilities my ability to play will be gimped?

    That's sure what it seems like. 

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  • WereLlamaWereLlama Lubbock, TXPosts: 243Member

    Anyone know if  6 people can do stuff?

    We have been playing as a group since EQ days ... and would like to remain a group.

  • PpiperPpiper Horsham, PAPosts: 648Member Uncommon
    that looked great. Thanks for posting it.
  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    Maybe I'm confused...

    All of these "Synergies" are just a method to maintain cookie cutter builds?  So if I don't do certain questlines to unlock certain abilities my ability to play will be gimped?

    That's sure what it seems like. 

    No. If a person has an ability that can be synergized, anyone in the group can assist with said synergy without needing a particular skill set. Basically it is just a short window of opportunity for an assist mechanic.

  • lathaanlathaan viennaPosts: 475Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ikeda

    Maybe I'm confused...

    All of these "Synergies" are just a method to maintain cookie cutter builds?  So if I don't do certain questlines to unlock certain abilities my ability to play will be gimped?

    That's sure what it seems like. 

    synergies are just free skills/effects you can trigger from a friendly aoe - just like in GW2, only less intuitive and more controllable. but i might have misunderstood you as it has nothing to do with builds.

     

    edit: really great video there!

  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by WereLlama

    Anyone know if  6 people can do stuff?

    We have been playing as a group since EQ days ... and would like to remain a group.

    Dungeons are 4 man always.

    Some adventure zones have 24 man content.

  • paul43paul43 OsloPosts: 120Member Uncommon

    The dungeons look good, it's good that you have to learn dungeon mechanics from day one, so that the learning curve dosen't get too high at max level. OR that people who are used to just tag along are annoyed that the dungeons suddenly requires you to be involved.

     

    Have you guys read anything about a dungeon finder? I prefer dungeon finders myself, since I then can go do other stuff and not have to look at chat etc. 

  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTPosts: 2,837Member Uncommon
    It looked fun, but no one seemed to ever be in much danger of dying in the entire video.  The only one that seemed to lose much health was the tank.
  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by paul43

    The dungeons look good, it's good that you have to learn dungeon mechanics from day one, so that the learning curve dosen't get too high at max level. OR that people who are used to just tag along are annoyed that the dungeons suddenly requires you to be involved.

     

    Have you guys read anything about a dungeon finder? I prefer dungeon finders myself, since I then can go do other stuff and not have to look at chat etc. 

     

    I'm not 100% sure about anything with dungeons. Having said that... I think there is a group finder, but I don't know any specifics about it. Hopefully it does not babysit you and hold your hand to the point of auto grouping you like WoW does.

  • ariestearieste toronto, ONPosts: 3,308Member Common
    Originally posted by Flyte27
    It looked fun, but no one seemed to ever be in much danger of dying in the entire video.  The only one that seemed to lose much health was the tank.

    I also thought this.   And all the fights seem to go super-fast too.

     

    But one of the comments to the video said that these guys were just that good, that in reality it's quite hard content.  I'm hoping that's the case.

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  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Flyte27
    It looked fun, but no one seemed to ever be in much danger of dying in the entire video.  The only one that seemed to lose much health was the tank.

    Which seems about right for a dungeon that is under level 15 in a game with a level cap of 50.

  • lathaanlathaan viennaPosts: 475Member Uncommon
    for beginner dungeons, they actually are quite "hard" - the guys in the vid (ER-guild) do play rather good.
  • BBPD766BBPD766 Boynton Beach, FLPosts: 97Member

    It looks fun? (raised eyebrow) While that is subjective, I see nothing innovative, challenging, or unique about a dungeon that is scripted like every other dungeon that has come before it that would make this fun; with mobs providing no deviation whether it's your first trip or 1,000th trip into it. This blueprint of entering a dungeon where the trash / boss mobs are in the exact same place they were before and do the exact same thing they did the last time to fend you off offers nothing that we haven't already played or seen for the past 10+ years in MMORPG's.

    ...If your idea of fun is described as: "Pls provide me with no challenge and allow me (and everyone else) to run "X" dungeon for the bazillionth time until I can do it with my eyes closed so I can collect all of  the exact same loot that can possibly be gotten from inside of it, and torture me for the next 6 months to a year with this very same dungeon until the next patch is released so I can enjoy the next dungeon (and every dungeon thereafter) in the exact same fashion...." .....then yes, I suppose this is fun.

  • flguy147flguy147 orlando, FLPosts: 374Member
    Those guys will be better than 95% of the player base as in skill.  Its the guild that started Tamriel Foundry.  You dont put that much effort into a fan website unless you are a very hardcore player.
  • DrDwarfDrDwarf TeesidePosts: 475Member

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpLlAdf7ZQ

    In Ops video first boss.. took them less than a minute to kill it   ....

     

    Wow what a challenge !  

     

    Second Boss..

     

    wow look at those health bars .. no one gets close to dying ...

     

    Third Boss

    Piece of piss

     

    Final boss.

    wow that was real tough too.

     

  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BBPD766

    It looks fun? (raised eyebrow) While that is subjective, I see nothing innovative, challenging, or unique about a dungeon that is scripted like every other dungeon that has come before it that would make this fun; with mobs providing no deviation whether it's your first trip or 1,000th trip into it. This blueprint of entering a dungeon where the trash / boss mobs are in the exact same place they were before and do the exact same thing they did the last time to fend you off offers nothing that we haven't already played or seen for the past 10+ years in MMORPG's.

    ...If your idea of fun is described as: "Pls provide me with no challenge and allow me (and everyone else) to run "X" dungeon for the bazillionth time until I can do it with my eyes closed so I can collect all of  the exact same loot that can possibly be gotten from inside of it, and torture me for the next 6 months to a year with this very same dungeon until the next patch is released so I can enjoy the next dungeon (and every dungeon thereafter) in the exact same fashion...." .....then yes, I suppose this is fun.

    The only thing I can think of with randomized content is the Diablo series, which we can all still do with our eyes closed.

    What is your solution for dungeons? Be careful how you answer that, least ye be judged for a concept that is impossible to implement.

  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by flguy147
    Those guys will be better than 95% of the player base as in skill.  Its the guild that started Tamriel Foundry.  You dont put that much effort into a fan website unless you are a very hardcore player.

    Yeah they are playing well together. Even the guy talking is calm and cool like they were aware of everything going on at all times. You didn't see them spamming skills or using a rotation. They were playing act/react and plotting moves instead of having a set thing that works.

    I would seriously doubt it if this video showed their first attempt. Prove this to yourself by skipping around the video, the skills on the bar for the person recording had skill changes indicating there was some tactic testing going on.  They look like a group that were used to playing with each other. Plus, healers who open fights and do DPS are not regular things for PUGs. That's something healers do when comfortable their party aren't wild and easy to get killed.

    It's like gymnastics, people make it look easy but if you try to do all the muscle tensing they are doing in your hands and feet while doing moves you will find it's not so easy to be a swan on a few inches of a balance beam.

    Some of those moves I recognize and they did not play them in the same order each time. That's all I should say about that amirite.

  • It looks like they're having too easy of a time, but that can be deceptive as they might be a little higher level than the dungeon, or simply skilled. Does anyone know if the dungeon is a place you can explore or is it just a linear one-way street on rails etc. and other assorted negative words for only having one way to go?

  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTPosts: 2,837Member Uncommon
    Has anyone been successful with making randomly generated content in a 3D game?  Blizzard tried with Diablo 3, but it really isn't random.  Not like it was in D1 and D2.  It's a lot easier to make randomly generated content on a 2D map then on a 3D map.
  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DrDwarf

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpLlAdf7ZQ

    In Ops video first boss.. took them less than a minute to kill it   ....

     

    Wow what a challenge !  

     

    Second Boss..

     

    wow look at those health bars .. no one gets close to dying ...

     

    Third Boss

    Piece of piss

     Final boss.

    wow that was real tough too.

     

     

    Lets go ahead and make the obvious comparisons here.

    How many times did you die in Deadmines (WoW)

    How many times did you die in Realm of the Fae (RIFT)

    How many times did you die in The Black Talon (SWTOR)

    Those are similar dungeons. Low level dungeons, designed for players that are grouping for the FIRST TIME in a new game.

    Now lets take it a step further and use our brain cells. How many "cuts" does that video have in it. Do you think that was their first trip through said dungeon?

     

  • DrDwarfDrDwarf TeesidePosts: 475Member
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    Originally posted by DrDwarf

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpLlAdf7ZQ

    In Ops video first boss.. took them less than a minute to kill it   ....

     

    Wow what a challenge !  

     

    Second Boss..

     

    wow look at those health bars .. no one gets close to dying ...

     

    Third Boss

    Piece of piss

     Final boss.

    wow that was real tough too.

     

     

    Lets go ahead and make the obvious comparisons here.

    How many times did you die in Deadmines (WoW)

    How many times did you die in Realm of the Fae (RIFT)

    How many times did you die in The Black Talon (SWTOR)

    Those are similar dungeons. Low level dungeons, designed for players that are grouping for the FIRST TIME in a new game.

    Now lets take it a step further and use our brain cells. How many "cuts" does that video have in it. Do you think that was their first trip through said dungeon?

     

    Players died all the time in Deadmines in vanilla wow.  Several times per run.

    Realm of the Fae some did .. becasue of monkee specs .. hybrids they thought were cool

    cant rember black talon .. i remember people dying in some early instance runs though (mainly from bugs mind)

     

    you cant have it both ways..

    First time group players in mmorpgs and high expectations for a set of must have features like group finder and quick travel and spammable no cool down spells and cc and all sorts of other stuff they implement in theme park mmos these days that make the gameplay a joke and require little skill or attention to detail.

     

    The last boss in this vid looks a little more dangerous for this group.   

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