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  • GregorMcgregorGregorMcgregor Member UncommonPosts: 263
    Originally posted by Laughing-man
    Originally posted by Wylf
    Originally posted by Asheram

    You must be new to this site.

    The OP has been a member since 2006, and has some 48 posts.  Not new at all, and has some good questions.

    his questions are frankly outlandish and uncalled for.

    No one is being paid to tell bad tales of this game.  Honestly thinking that is just silly.  Yes, we get it, you like the game and or the IP beyond the point of reason.  The rest of us are being pragmatic and rational.  You are welcome to join us when you are ready.

    Wrong! I gave myself £5 just to post this reply! Only the truth can set you free! ;)

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  • simon155simon155 Member UncommonPosts: 53
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by WikileaksEU
    Originally posted by funyahns
    Originally posted by WikileaksEU

    Bad reviewers have played too much World of Warcraft. They are also comparing ESO with Skyrim, which is fucking stupid, as Skyrim is purely single player and ESO is an mmorpg. Big difference in both software and hardware.

     

    Edit: Gamers today are spoiled and need a good slap in the face. Such a hard slap to the face they fly away across the room and into the wall behind them and leave a mark there.

     So you disagree with people who don't like the game and think physical assault is what is needed to put them in place?  Most of the negativity I have heard has nothing to do with WoW and everything to do with dullness in  game.  If they didn't want a comparison to Skyrim they shouldn't have used the IP.

    Spoiled human beings need to get hurt physically to free themselves from their ignorant mind. A hard punch or slap to the face usually solves the problem.

     

    ESO isn't dull. It's very immersive and get many things right. I do agree animations and some things need work though.ESO isn't the worst mmorpg ever made, it's one of the best. I've played the beta for more than 20 hours. It's 2 months till release and most stuff will get fixed in those two months, believe me. Reviewers totally bashing it and saying it's shit are bad reviewers and thought it would be like a single player Skyrim, or they are WoW players and are too used to floating numbers and gear that show big numbers.

    Immersive - not really. with the way the characters move and the NPC's so static - there is no immersion at all. Also the MOBS move but they are so predictable. The many mobs share the same model - imps, bats and harpys all look the same. Even thought the environment is pretty, it doesn't look 3D (like barrels etc.). You can tell it was drawn on a sheet of paper.

     

    It is NOT one of the best MMO's I have played and I wanted to really like is, since I have played many of the ES single player games.

     

    The reviewers who saying the game is bad, well, it is their opinion. You don't like it, don't read them. The truth does hurt when you are a blind FAN BOI..

    I think it is one of the better MMOs. There are very few MMOs I've taken a real interest in. The last one I was looking forward to this much was WoW. I don't plan to return to WoW but I can't wait for this one ;)

     

    Re: The Truth hurts.

    I'll take your word for it. This is shaping up to be a very popular game. I don't see why that would hurt though lol

  • JimmacJimmac Member UncommonPosts: 1,660
    Originally posted by Dulu
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    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

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    Did you ever consider that maybe the game is just bad? Yeah. I can't confirm it yet, but maybe that's something you should consider instead of thinking it's some big conspiracy. Maybe the game is just bad.

  • WikileaksEUWikileaksEU Member UncommonPosts: 108
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by WikileaksEU
    Originally posted by funyahns
    Originally posted by WikileaksEU

    Bad reviewers have played too much World of Warcraft. They are also comparing ESO with Skyrim, which is fucking stupid, as Skyrim is purely single player and ESO is an mmorpg. Big difference in both software and hardware.

     

    Edit: Gamers today are spoiled and need a good slap in the face. Such a hard slap to the face they fly away across the room and into the wall behind them and leave a mark there.

     So you disagree with people who don't like the game and think physical assault is what is needed to put them in place?  Most of the negativity I have heard has nothing to do with WoW and everything to do with dullness in  game.  If they didn't want a comparison to Skyrim they shouldn't have used the IP.

    Spoiled human beings need to get hurt physically to free themselves from their ignorant mind. A hard punch or slap to the face usually solves the problem.

     

    ESO isn't dull. It's very immersive and get many things right. I do agree animations and some things need work though.ESO isn't the worst mmorpg ever made, it's one of the best. I've played the beta for more than 20 hours. It's 2 months till release and most stuff will get fixed in those two months, believe me. Reviewers totally bashing it and saying it's shit are bad reviewers and thought it would be like a single player Skyrim, or they are WoW players and are too used to floating numbers and gear that show big numbers.

    Immersive - not really. with the way the characters move and the NPC's so static - there is no immersion at all. Also the MOBS move but they are so predictable. The many mobs share the same model - imps, bats and harpys all look the same. Even thought the environment is pretty, it doesn't look 3D (like barrels etc.). You can tell it was drawn on a sheet of paper.

     

    It is NOT one of the best MMO's I have played and I wanted to really like is, since I have played many of the ES single player games.

     

    The reviewers who saying the game is bad, well, it is their opinion. You don't like it, don't read them. The truth does hurt when you are a blind FAN BOI..

    I'm not fan of TES, I am however a fan of mmorpgs.

  • Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

    Only had to play the Beta weekend to know the crap that game is. No review necessary.

    You should try it too.

    PS: Roll an archer archetype and shoot arrows while near enemies, watch the arrows go where your aim is not. Magically bending to lock to the enemies and hit them...

    Love that "deep" combat.

    Now...Go level a Ranger in GW2, Equip a Longbow, Proceed to shoot enemies who move an inch to the left or right and cause your arrow to not hit them..

    Watch as every other weapon in the game not have this problem, and those classes considered to be much better then yours.

    Watch as the unparalleled Archer classes best specs become the ones that don't actually use Bows, but instead use Melee Range weapons such as Sword/Dagger and Mid Ranger weapons of Axe/Torch.

    Then get back to me on your complaint about ESO's bows

     

     

     

     

  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Member Posts: 1,059
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

     

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  • PNM_JenningsPNM_Jennings Member UncommonPosts: 1,093

    Well it's either because you've already dropped money on the game, and so cognitive dissonance has kicked in making you feel like you're having fun to justify the cost. OR. You disagree with the reviewers.

    But I know what you mean. It may also be that reviewers are being more critical in light of reactions to them making failed predictions.

  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 965
    Originally posted by time007.  Anyone think you will have to play longer than 2-3 weeks to hit the level cap?

    I know I will.  I only get a couple hrs at most during a day to play a game and I'm in no hurry to hit lvl cap so I'm sure it will take much longer than that.

    I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  • spizzspizz Member UncommonPosts: 1,971
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

     

     

    Of course smear campaigns exist and it could be true in this case, at least partially.

    But there is another game called  "WILDSTAR".  Why dont you hear almost anything about this game, if you look into the forum on this page the discussions are almost dead in comparison to the ESO forums.

    In general I dont hear a lot about Wildstar, similar "reviews" targeted on their payment model.

     

    Am I wrong here or did you read and hear similar reviews about Wildstar and critics about their monthly subscription model ?

  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    Conspiracy and smear campaigns - American tv has a lot to answer for. the simple truth is that the truth comes out during beta's - at beta the core of the game is baked in, it's not going to change much. (videos of the game tell you all you need to know if you want to evaluate a game). this has happened with every mmorg in the last 5 years and the general opinions formed during beta have allways proved valid - why wouldn't they, it's just a game after all.

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    There is definitely a coordinate smear campaign that includes all mass media and all YouTube personalities. It spans thousands of people and countries.
    Thanks Obama!


    Now where is my tin foil hat?

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  • HengistHengist Member RarePosts: 1,282

    I did not read all 17 pages, I perused a few though, and saw a lot of the same themes coming up. I realize that some people choose to put on a tin foil hat, and go forward, and come up with all sorts of reasons to make themselves feel good about it, the OP is missing the heart of the issue.

    We're Jaded.

    Years ago plenty of games got great press, fans did not know better, media did not know better, but in the past 17 odd years we've seen good releases, bad releases, we've seen dev's fail to deliver on "promises", and we've seen them make it happen. We've had good releases, and bad, and more and more people have become familiar with the genre, so somewhere along the line, people have developed a sense of "been here, done that" attitude, and come it with a sense of entitlement that "XYZ features have to be in the game or it sucks." You've got what pass for reviews.

    This isn't politics, I doubt there is a coordinated smear campaign, but you've got a big title, with an impressive history that has built up a following of it's own, to expect people to come in 100% open minded these days is almost a ludicrous idea.

    Personally, I think the whole thing is a lesson in "form your own opinion, and realize your opinion is not universal."

  • MindTriggerMindTrigger Member Posts: 2,596
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    I'm suspicious why a server stress test with a NDA in place is dressed up as a BETA and that 15 minutes of gameplay opinions is confused as being a "review". 

    It was a whole weekend, you know.  I'll have plenty to say about when the NDA lifts. 

    A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  • DarkholmeDarkholme Member UncommonPosts: 1,212
    I am suspicious of your suspicion...

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  • MrG8MrG8 Member UncommonPosts: 111
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

     

    Yeha, what makes me skeptic about all these so called "reviews" is all the bad reviewing... there's like nothing good... while I, who played the betas love the game so much. How can we see things so different? Been playing MMOs for years..

    It could be like you're saying, some kind of conspiracy.. or maybe people is comparing it to other games like WOW and they see things that are different and rage about it.. I dont get it.. ESO is not WOW, or any other game for that matter.. its ESO, nothing else.

    I mean when a new Audi car gets released you dont see reviews of that new car that goes like "Oh its a damn Volkswagen ripoff!!"

     

    Play the game for what it is..  don't compare it with other games thats been on the market for 10  years.. Review it for what it is and be fine with it or stay out of it.

  • AtadisAtadis Member Posts: 56
    I truly do think there is BS going on....it's called the bandwagon effect. I have participated in every stress test and found that the game, to me and many others, fun and actually a decent MMO. Now this is from what I've seen. ESO  has a very large starting area, it's not just throwing players in there and just saying have at it, you slowly build up to the main gameplay, some people are playing like 5 hours of the game and saying fuck this because they aren't wanting to put in the effort to get past the first patch of gameplay, which is rough I can say and can be entertaining on how you look at what you're doing. People are also going into this not wanting to beta test but play a released product and they are bashing an unfinished game. Another thing I'd like to point out is that a lot of the bad reviews I've read all say the same damn thing, they are either on one extremely vague topic or another but no one is giving a legit reason as to why the game is bad that is a decent FACT. Just because you don't like the game doesn't mean other people feel the same way, if you don't like ESO based on a beta and don't want to play it then fucking DON'T. But we all know how FFXIV:ARR went people bashed the hell out of that game and when it came out everyone just LOVED it so much! I will definitely be an avid player of ESO if I enjoy the released product and could care less what reviewers think because I never trust anyone else to pick out what I enjoy to play.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    They're telling THEIR fans what they want to hear.

     

    ESO has been a lightning rod for bashing since it was announced. It seems everyone who has ever been near an Elder Scrolls game knows, for a fact, how the MMO version should be done - that is, those who agree an MMO version should be done at all... many don't and just wanted co-op Skyrim.

     

    It's gone on from there. Wildstar , FF and ESO all announced the sub model months ago. Guess which one got the most whines about the sub?

     

    And they haven't stopped: just about all the negative previews mention the sub vs. f2p thing. Many saying they would play if it was f2p but not sub... which seems weird to me: If I think something is a turd, I won't go near it, F2P or not. Apparently we now live in the age of relative turdiness.

     

    It's just cool to dump on ESO...all the cool kids are doing it image

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  • p4ttythep3rf3ctp4ttythep3rf3ct Member UncommonPosts: 194

    I got to jump in this past weekend and really enjoyed the game.  I had zero desire to even play it, but someone told me about the beta key giveaway, etc, etc.  After playing up to L7 I immediately unsubbed from FFXIV and pre-ordered the Imperial CE Edition.

    There is something that just feels different about this game.  I get more of a sense of adventure out of it and it reminded me of how I felt in the Golden Days of MMOs (pre-WoW).  I can see myself spending a LOT of time in TESO, at least until Camelot Unchained (working title) comes out late 2015. 

    That said, it's obvious this game will not appeal to, well, you know, the wow-kiddie (ADD-riddled min/maxers who cant discern a good story from a slot machine if their lives depended on it).  Nor will it appeal to the poor, which coincidently happens to intersect with a lot of wow-kiddies. 

    That's just, like, my opinion, man.

  • MarkusrindMarkusrind Member Posts: 359

    First we have the game design released by the developers.

    People didn't like their design and spoke up.

    Others said "how can you not like the design before you play it"?

     

    Then People start playing it in Beta.

     Bad reviews come out despite the NDA.  

    Others said that "when the NDA is dropped the good reviews will come".

     

    Then the NDA is dropped for the press for the first 15 levels.

    The press say is isn't a great game.

    Others say "they are only reviewing the first 15 levels, the rest of the game is great".

     

    Anyone see a pattern here? Anyone want to guess what will happen when levels 16 and up are free of an NDA completely?

     

     

  • himodshimods Member Posts: 54

    ...or here's another wild idea, maybe the press got so much shit after giving overly positive reviews to swtor and other crapgames, that they now try to earn back their readers trust by being overly critical.

    Nah, lets go with the tinfoil conspiracy theory. Throw in some aliens and black magic too, for good measure.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Iselin

    They're telling THEIR fans what they want to hear.

    Which is pretty easy with an NDA up and only the paid for press able to talk about the game.

    Ever heard of the "Ratcatcher" tale, the guy who hypnotized rats using a flute to down them?

    The pied piper? Yeah I've heard of him...and yes, damn that NDA!

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  • Originally posted by himods

    ...or here's another wild idea, maybe the press got so much shit after giving overly positive reviews to swtor and other crapgames, that they now try to earn back their readers trust by being overly critical.

     

    But that would mean the gaming press is full of it and their reviews are worthless. And that just isn't the case, right?

  • himodshimods Member Posts: 54
    Originally posted by ihaveabeard
    Originally posted by himods

    ...or here's another wild idea, maybe the press got so much shit after giving overly positive reviews to swtor and other crapgames, that they now try to earn back their readers trust by being overly critical.

     

    But that would mean the gaming press is full of it and their reviews are worthless. And that just isn't the case, right?

    My sarcasmo-meter just blew up.

  • marganculosmarganculos Member UncommonPosts: 334

    are you all of you on crack or something??! BAD = BAD stop searching conspiracy in every fking review ... it's their opinion


    if you want play it just buy this crap for + $150 per year and PLAY IT... if you don't want, like me and many other then don't buy it ... simple


  • Originally posted by himods
    Originally posted by ihaveabeard
    Originally posted by himods

    ...or here's another wild idea, maybe the press got so much shit after giving overly positive reviews to swtor and other crapgames, that they now try to earn back their readers trust by being overly critical.

     

    But that would mean the gaming press is full of it and their reviews are worthless. And that just isn't the case, right?

    My sarcasmo-meter just blew up.


    Well, Sarcasmo is my super hero name...

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