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Of how i lost my WoW guild to Bob. (rant/vent)

MmoFluffMmoFluff NuukPosts: 12Member

This is mostly a "vent" thread as this has just happened to me and i am not sure on how to take it on, and i wonder if anyone had a similar experience at some point in their MMO careers.

I am an old vanilla WoW player and after so much time playing the game i was feeling a bit bored and wanted to do something different to the usual progressing, so i decided to tackle a facet i had never considered before: Guild Leading.

I decided to make a guild where all the new/returning players could join to learn the ropes,  because i thought it would be fun to help and assist dozens of new players as they followed the path i followed so many years before.

Things went well and a few months into it the guild had grown solid and many players had become friends and wanted to transform the guild into something more, into a raiding guild, to which i agreed, and despite my lack of experience in the leading role, i did my best and we even got a few nice completions and kills.

It was then when this guy, let´s call him "Bob", joined my guild.

Bob was extremely experienced (raidwise), very helpful and had one of those magnetic personalities everyone (me included) seems to love, and a few weeks later and many successful boss kills (with his help) forward everyone wanted for him to become an officer, to which i agreed.

But then things turned sour for me.

Despite the fact i had been helping, supporting and providing for them for over half a year,  suddenly everything in the guild was about Bob and it felt like every single decision or activity that mattered was lead and organized by bob.

Since it mostly was good for the guild, i decided not to make a big fuss about it and i simply made myself as helpful as i could be ( as i always had done) but the more i did the less it was appreciated and Bob got the merit for everything.

Fast forward a  couple months, and about 70% of the guild "voted" him as the new Guild Master and pretty much pressured me into giving the mantle of leadership to him, and did so til i gave in and made him the leader.

One month later i lost my regular raid position as there were already two guildies with my class/spec that were way better geared than myself and i now find myself sitting in a forgotten corner of the guild i made to help this people, as they fly off to success with Bob, and will probably end up leaving it as there is no longer a place in it for me.

And here i sit, thinking i have lost over half a year of gaming helping a bunch of ingrates.

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  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

    seen it happen to other guilds in EQ and EQ2

    basically, sounds like your guild was not a serious raid guild and got transformed into one

  • Solar_ProphetSolar_Prophet Columbus, OHPosts: 878Member Uncommon

    You should have stayed guild leader. Sure, you might have lost a large chunk of your members along with Bob, but the 30% or so who remained would be the ones who appreciated your efforts. Even if everybody left, you could've still started fresh.

    Running a guild like a democracy doesn't usually end well.

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  • VutarVutar BaghdadPosts: 773Member Uncommon
    Never give up guild leadership, period. Especially when you are only doing so "for the good of the guild." People in MMOs do not care. They will screw you over. Those who wanted Bob as leader should have left and made a guild with him.
  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon

    what the guy above stated.  should have stayed leader and let bob and others leave if they wanted.  you would have found out who your real friends were and who was just there to leech off you.

     

    edit:  sorry this happened to you by the way.  guild politics suck. 

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • NibsNibs .Posts: 216Member Uncommon

    As soon as a guild makes the switch from 'a helpful group of friends having fun together' to 'raid guild' this tends to happen. I've seen it happen many times in may different games. You get the 'A' team and everyone else becomes subs only needed when one of the big boys can't make it.

     

    Generally it works out better to split the guild. Let the raiders form their own guild and keep the rest together having fun. One can even become a feeder guild to the raid guild. I've seen this done a few times. At one point we even had a feeder guild to the feeder guild (EQ raiding).

     

    I'm sorry this happened to you but if you found the first part fulfilling just do it again and remember what to do if it progresses again. The non-raiders almost certainly appreciated your efforts and you should feel proud of the pre-Bob community you created.

  • sacredfoolsacredfool prague, TXPosts: 760Member Uncommon

    I am sorry but you seem to blame your best officer and 70% of your guild and there's no sign of constructive " Could it be also my fault? " . Be it your personality, your activity or your efforts, guilds don't just turn against people.

    If Bob is as great as you say, what you can do is message him and explain how you feel and ask him to give you an officer role.

     

    I'd however like to cheer you up, you were not the only one having such problems in MMOs. Listen to the above song about EVE online.

     

     


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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MmoFluff

    This is mostly a "vent" thread as this has just happened to me and i am not sure on how to take it on, and i wonder if anyone had a similar experience at some point in their MMO careers.

    I am an old vanilla WoW player and after so much time playing the game i was feeling a bit bored and wanted to do something different to the usual progressing, so i decided to tackle a facet i had never considered before: Guild Leading.

    I decided to make a guild where all the new/returning players could join to learn the ropes,  because i thought it would be fun to help and assist dozens of new players as they followed the path i followed so many years before.

    Things went well and a few months into it the guild had grown solid and many players had become friends and wanted to transform the guild into something more, into a raiding guild, to which i agreed, and despite my lack of experience in the leading role, i did my best and we even got a few nice completions and kills.

    It was then when this guy, let´s call him "Bob", joined my guild.

    Bob was extremely experienced (raidwise), very helpful and had one of those magnetic personalities everyone (me included) seems to love, and a few weeks later and many successful boss kills (with his help) forward everyone wanted for him to become an officer, to which i agreed.

    But then things turned sour for me.

    Despite the fact i had been helping, supporting and providing for them for over half a year,  suddenly everything in the guild was about Bob and it felt like every single decision or activity that mattered was lead and organized by bob.

    Since it mostly was good for the guild, i decided not to make a big fuss about it and i simply made myself as helpful as i could be ( as i always had done) but the more i did the less it was appreciated and Bob got the merit for everything.

    Fast forward a  couple months, and about 70% of the guild "voted" him as the new Guild Master and pretty much pressured me into giving the mantle of leadership to him, and did so til i gave in and made him the leader.

    One month later i lost my regular raid position as there were already two guildies with my class/spec that were way better geared than myself and i now find myself sitting in a forgotten corner of the guild i made to help this people, as they fly off to success with Bob, and will probably end up leaving it as there is no longer a place in it for me.

    And here i sit, thinking i have lost over half a year of gaming helping a bunch of ingrates.

    so Bob pushed a full-on rise-to-power campaign and you did nothing to protect your own power.

     

    what could have POSSIBLY happened ?

     

    It's a little above the scope of games, but what you're looking at here is human beings interracting with one nother. Similar and far worse stories have echoed through New Eden countless times, where another BoB was in a elated situation...:)

     

    point is, there's nothing wrong with it. The guy was driven from end to end and everyone else, yourself included went with it. So he became exactly what he wantd to be since nobody tried to stop him.

     

    I'm not sure what are you upset about, how else could these actions have played out?  Bob is hardcore. he's motivated, driven and experienced. Anything you can do he can do better. There's a reason hardocre guild masters are typically very agressive and borderline para-military. Because they lead a group of people that every single one of them thinks he can do better. So these leaders must keep them under control or...Bob happens.

     

    as an ex- hardcore guild officer, I can tell you I ascended to my position in a similar way. I was offered guild leadership twice, refused it both times. I knew my style and the guild's old style were too different and would rip it apart...but it's trivial to get an officer position in a guild that is below your skill level. TRIVIAL.

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  • HatefullHatefull Posts: 774Member Uncommon

    Mate you built that guild, no matter who comes a long to 'help' you retain leadership of it.

    I am not saying you have to be a complete ass, or Drill Instructor Dick, but you need to have a very set goal for your guild, and let nothing push you away from it. If they enjoyed 'bob' so much well then 'bob' can go make his own guild and they can go with him. You built it once, you can do it again, use this as a lesson learned.

    Good luck, I am sorry this happened, but use this to help you grow as a leader, don't let it run you away.

    Bounce out of this guild, build a new one, and have fun.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    So you got upset that someone else was more popular than you?

    That was your initial response?

    You can't think of a single reason why that might not be what a 'normal person who is all about helping other people' response would be?

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    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • NaowutNaowut MusselkanaalPosts: 647Member Uncommon

    I don't understand why you would ever consider giving up your leader position. It's your guild.

    If they don't like how you lead they can fo.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon

    it's no different in real life...there's a good chance someon from your department wants your position. Let him fill the ears of management with his thoughts for a few months and you might find yourself doing the walk of shame...

     

    got to protect your power and your position. someone WILL take a stab at it.

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  • HatefullHatefull Posts: 774Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by jpnz
    So you got upset that someone else was more popular than you?That was your initial response?You can't think of a single reason why that might not be what a 'normal person who is all about helping other people' response would be?

    Did you read the post? No, that is not the theme of his complaint at all. Posting before you know what you are talking about really makes you sound stupid. Good job.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • vgamervgamer Texas, IAPosts: 195Member
    Should have disbanded in my opinion. Or keep the position of power and kick Bob. Always stay in control, never give up.
  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon

    as a final comment, you didn't "Lose half a year". you built something and that something outgrew you.

     

    It's pretty good. it's better than that something popping like a ballon and dropping dead.

     

    I'd say your creating became greater than you thought it would...but in the end, reality is you wouldn't have lost your spot if you were on-par with the other two, meaning you only had the spot due to your rank, not your capabilities. for anyone NOT a leader, there wouldn't have been 6 months at all.

     

    here you are complaining the turn of events hurts your interests, then you're calling the others a 'bunch of ingrates' despite doing the same as you...following their interests.

     

    see the irony?

     

    you did fine. you should be happy about it. for an inexperienced leader you did very well.

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  • MmoFluffMmoFluff NuukPosts: 12Member
    Originally posted by Robokapp
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    While i appreciate everyone´s input on the matter, i would like to single you out and thank you since your replies are probably the most impartial and direct i could have asked for.

    I guess i just feel they were ungrateful because i truly did help them a lot before we switched to raiding so i expected at least some respect even when asking for Bob to lead, rather than the "gtfo, we dont want you in there" situation i found myself into.

    I guess it´s not so much what happened as how it happened, that bothered me the most.

    and Kratier...

    1- you didnt stand up for yourself  = This is somewhat true.

    2- you werent geared but were a guild leader? = I said was less geared, not that i wasnt geared at all, and remember "bob" had been leading progress for a while already when i lost my spot.

    3-"old vanilla WoW player" - no, you are fucking not.  = And you base yourself in what, to claim i am not?

    There is also no need to be so downright offensive when expressing your opinions.

  • CryptorCryptor Coquitlam, BCPosts: 480Member Uncommon
    Wow, what a horrible story, I am so sorry to hear that :(
  • MmoFluffMmoFluff NuukPosts: 12Member

    By the way, it´s not that i am claiming i did nothing wrong, and i do acknowledge i should have been more proactive and  fought way harder to protect my interests,  i simply needed to vent because whichever the case is, it still sucks and is not a pleasant pill to swallow.

    I have learned from the experience though.

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,295Member Uncommon
    I think in the same circumstances, i would have taken a different stand, in that, i would actually have invited 'bob' to leave the guild, and if he refused,  kicked him out, as he was 'to all intents and purposes' a highly disruptive and probably subversive element, a few guild members would have followed him, particularly the louder 'complainers'  although my advice would have been to remove them also, but at least you would have been able to continue doing the things you were previously, and if 'bob' wanted to be a guild leader, then there is nothing really stopping him from creating his own guild. image
  • vgamervgamer Texas, IAPosts: 195Member
    Originally posted by MmoFluff

    By the way, it´s not that i am claiming i did nothing wrong, and i do acknowledge i should have been more proactive and  fought way harder to protect my interests,  i simply needed to vent because whichever the case is, it still sucks and is not a pleasant pill to swallow.

    I have learned from the experience though.

    Ye, that's for the best. Remember that this is just a game. As mentioned before, this will happen again and again. Especially in real life where the consequences can be more devastating. Most people are dicks and only look out for themselves. Better to learn it over some game then let life itself be your teacher. Remember that people will always be friendly to you when you feed them. You will only know who truly care for you if you have fallen.

  • ComanComan Hattem, AKPosts: 2,034Member Uncommon

    The problem was that you had no vision or if you had you did not stick to it. You made it a raid guild because people wanted to. At that point you should have stood you ground and have said "No I want my guild to be this and this". Something like this happend to me as well. However I never lost my position because the two co-founder where good friends of mine. 

    However I did lose grip of the guild (one of the biggest guild on the server in WAR at that point). Simply because we did not stick to the vision we wanted. I tried to still stand for it, but we lost and the guild merged with an other guild. The problem here as well was that we had a vision, but did not stick to it. 

    We became to big for our own good. I however on the other hand did enjoy it. The politics and all (we had a bob like figure in our guild) . You enjoyed yourself in those 6 months I assume? If so then you did not waste 6 month, if you did not then being removed as a guild leader is a good thing for you.  It should be fun.

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,212Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MmoFluff

    By the way, it´s not that i am claiming i did nothing wrong, and i do acknowledge i should have been more proactive and  fought way harder to protect my interests,  i simply needed to vent because whichever the case is, it still sucks and is not a pleasant pill to swallow.

    I have learned from the experience though.

    Here's the thing. It's pretty easy to take over running something someone already built. It's much harder to build something from scratch. Maybe you should play to your strengths and build a new guild. A series of new guilds. Release them into the world like children and see if they thrive.  You brought people together be very proud of that but it's time to move on. Start anew you'll probably enjoy that more anyway.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • marz.at.playmarz.at.play Mississauga, ONPosts: 912Member
    Meh, don't sweat it. I was a Guild leader of a number of different PvP guilds over the course of 7 years in the original GW . The first Guild loss is hardest but you get over it and move on. Look back at it and if you learned something from the experience then move on, don't look back, and like many here advise, start another Guild if that is what you enjoyed. Don't forget to have fun, it's only a game. 

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  • StizzledStizzled Springfield, MOPosts: 1,264Member Uncommon

    I went through something very similar myself. I ran a guild in vanilla for years, was quite proud of the group of people I had gathered up.

     

    Like you, we tried to make the push into raiding. Really, it's pretty much the same story as yours. Recruited a very friendly and helpful guy into the guild, set him up as our raid leader and we did pretty well. That is until It got to the point where he wanted to make most, if not all, of the decisions about our guild. Then tried to take over the guild, asking me to hand over leadership, which I refused to do.

     

    In the end most of my guild was gone. They followed him, created a guild that didn't do so well, and eventually were absorbed by another guild. I was left with the few members that the guild had started out with, those loyal friends that I had met and invited as we were leveling. But, it wasn't the same. Slowly we went separate ways, joining different raiding guilds, and it was all over.

     

    So, I know how you feel. It's a funny thing to watch something you've built up crumble, or in your case, be left behind by it.

     

     


  • AreWeLiveAreWeLive Brockville, ONPosts: 115Member Uncommon

    Well i would not really say this was your fault and certainly would not blame Bob.

     There are different types of players that have played WoW since the beginning, not all are hard core, not all care about end game, to some fishing, completing quests failing in instance runs but having fun laughing about it is what they are about. To some WoW is just a game, not serious stuff.

     Anyway, you made a casual leveling guild, after a while some of your members said they want to raid (happens in every guild) and you agreed,. Then after completing some runs and being successful things started to change. as time goes on new members came in and the next thing you know the guild has become a serious raiding guild and the serious members wanted the guy that led them there to become the new guild leader..

     I do not think Bob came into the guild expecting this, i do think as the guild progressed your raiders just wanted the guy that was actually leading the guild in this to run things, so votes happened and you went wit it.

     You did not do anything wrong except lose your focus/vision of your guild, you wanted a casual lvling guild but for what ever reason you decided to change your guilds mission. When you started to raid had you made it clear you wanted to keep it light and drama free you could have kept it as a casual and light guild. The guys that wanted to be serious about raiding would have moved on to other guilds that offered what they wanted.

     So, whats done is done and now you know more of what you want your game to be like, what you do from here is up to you, Time to just put it behind you and move on.

  • Teh_AxiTeh_Axi HalifaxPosts: 380Member

    And?

    You made a successful guild and it out grew you.

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