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Quick Question: Is there OWPVP

BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?
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  • TibbzTibbz Houston, TXPosts: 619Member
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    PvP will be on the massive content of cryodill (you can visit and sty in if you like at 10)  the other regions are pve only.  

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  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    thanks guys.
  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

  • olepiolepi Austin, TXPosts: 1,150Member Uncommon
    PvP is not instanced and not arena based. A large continent is devoted to PvP, and each of the 3 realms borders this large central area.

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    RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

  • Jimmy562Jimmy562 FlimwellPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

    There is PvE in cyrodiil as well so you can get your random pvp.

  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Long Island, NYPosts: 480Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

     

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

  • VidirVidir GothenburgPosts: 944Member Uncommon
    Originally posted

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    Those who want pvp usually dont play pure pvp games but complain about every other game that is mostly pve for let pvp free in those games so they can bother people that dont want to pvp at all.

  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    Originally posted by TalulaRose
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

     

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

    I doubt you would ever understand but MMO's should not have instances that remove people from the open world.  Random PVP is the best pvp.  This is where the best memories and stories are made.  For me, there is no point in playing an MMO that does not have this.  Why?  Because it is boring.  GW2 is a perfect example.  Beautiful huge game...but it lacks that edge which makes it boring for me. 

    WoW did this right with the PVP servers, so the people who enjoy this type of game play had this option.  Some really fond memories of the Tarren Mill fights.  It kept you on edge. 

    I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TalulaRose
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

     

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

    Do i said i want to play with people who prefer other playstyle? No. I want to play with people like me. I dont give a shit about people like you, becouse you obviously are too limited to embrace the idea of having different prefferences.

     

    Originally posted by Vidir
    Originally posted 

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    Those who want pvp usually dont play pure pvp games but complain about every other game that is mostly pve for let pvp free in those games so they can bother people that dont want to pvp at all.

     

    Heres an example of another genius. So by your limited world perception i shouldnt even exist becouse how is it possible to like pve and pvp and god forbid maybe some other things like crafting and roleplaying? 

  • VidirVidir GothenburgPosts: 944Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by TalulaRose
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

     

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

    Do i said i want to play with people who prefer other playstyle? No. I want to play with people like me. I dont give a shit about people like you, becouse you obviously are too limited to embrace the idea of having different prefferences.

    There are many games that are world pvp,why dont you stick to those instead of complayning about games that the devs obviously want to make a pve game.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,281Member Uncommon

    AreaPvP. Now it seems this area may be 1/3 or maybe 1/2 of the total game space. I a fan of ffa world pvp, you may be able to live in cryodill though, we'll see. I'm not ready to call ESO a pve focused mmorpg either. 

     

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vidir
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by TalulaRose
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

     

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

    Do i said i want to play with people who prefer other playstyle? No. I want to play with people like me. I dont give a shit about people like you, becouse you obviously are too limited to embrace the idea of having different prefferences.

    There are many games that are world pvp,why dont you stick to those instead of complayning about games that the devs obviously want to make a pve game.

    Im not complaining, just answered OP question and then explained my point of view becouse somebody felt obliged to say that my point of view is wrong while hes right. Its not anybodys private forum so if somone dont like what i say, feel free to not read. There is a block user feature aswell.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,281Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TalulaRose
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

     

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

    Believe it or not as a pvpr, I don't want to pvp all the time. When the situation arises though, I hate being told by some magical being "You are not allowed to attack this target". 

     

    Besides that, role play. Seriously, if I played a nightbalde, I would play as wickedly cleaver murderer, quick and efficient. This is how I would make a name for myself. There should of couse be a penal system, that allows the chvalrous do gooder the oppertunity to clean the streets of villains. 

     

    In short player driven, dynamic game play. Now if this can be created by being able to live in Cryodill, I'm all for it.

  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member

    Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

    http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

     

    A summary of the info is:

    • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
    • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
    • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
     
    So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
     
    This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.
  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    Originally posted by evilastro

    Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

    http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

     

    A summary of the info is:

    • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
    • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
    • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
     
    So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
     
    This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.

    Thanks.  Sounds a little like a combo of GW2 and LOTRO.  Not ideally suited for me and my tastes though.  Appreciate the info.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,915Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Badaboom
     

    I doubt you would ever understand but MMO's should not have instances that remove people from the open world.  Random PVP is the best pvp.  This is where the best memories and stories are made.  For me, there is no point in playing an MMO that does not have this.  Why?  Because it is boring.  GW2 is a perfect example.  Beautiful huge game...but it lacks that edge which makes it boring for me. 

    WoW did this right with the PVP servers, so the people who enjoy this type of game play had this option.  Some really fond memories of the Tarren Mill fights.  It kept you on edge. 

    I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

    From level 10 on you can play in cyrodil, which is nothing but OWPVP.  I'd also argue the best systems are those which allow people to opt out of PVPIng entirely. While also offering good PVP systems for those who want it. SWG and DAOC come to mind. There was no need for a different server ruleset to have the best of both worlds. Play ESO or don't but at least understand that there is OWPVP in the game.

    Another thing I'd assume any PVPer would have an interest in is that the engine is designed to allow around 200 on screen at a time with little to no FPS loss, well supposedly.

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  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    Originally posted by evilastro

    Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

    http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

     

    A summary of the info is:

    • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
    • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
    • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
     
    So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
     
    This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.

    Thanks.  Sounds a little like a combo of GW2 and LOTRO.  Not ideally suited for me and my tastes though.  Appreciate the info.

     

    An important differentiation is that Cyrodiil actually has significant PvE content as well, and has been said to have greater rewards than the safe areas.  End game content will be in Cyrodiil, it isn't some separated zone only for PvP players.  The whole game is based on the conflict between the three factions.  

    Whereas GW2 and LOTRO PvP zones are completely optional and separate from the PvE end game.

  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Badaboom
     

    I doubt you would ever understand but MMO's should not have instances that remove people from the open world.  Random PVP is the best pvp.  This is where the best memories and stories are made.  For me, there is no point in playing an MMO that does not have this.  Why?  Because it is boring.  GW2 is a perfect example.  Beautiful huge game...but it lacks that edge which makes it boring for me. 

    WoW did this right with the PVP servers, so the people who enjoy this type of game play had this option.  Some really fond memories of the Tarren Mill fights.  It kept you on edge. 

    I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

    From level 10 on you can play in cyrodil, which is nothing but OWPVP.  I'd also argue the best systems are those which allow people to opt out of PVPIng entirely. While also offering good PVP systems for those who want it. SWG and DAOC come to mind. There was no need for a different server ruleset to have the best of both worlds. Play ESO or don't but at least understand that there is OWPVP in the game.

    Another thing I'd assume any PVPer would have an interest in is that the engine is designed to allow around 200 on screen at a time with little to no FPS loss, well supposedly.

    Sounds like it has potential.  What I don't like about this system is that it's a concentrated pvp area which essentially will boil down to zerg blobs running around exchanging objectives.

  • BearKnightBearKnight Augusta, GAPosts: 461Member
    This game is essentially going to be GW2 set in the ElderScrolls universe. So, no, there most likely will not be OWPVP.
  • MardukkMardukk Posts: 1,557Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jimmy562
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

    There is PvE in cyrodiil as well so you can get your random pvp.

    If this is the case, it is very promising.  I would see no reason to leave Cyro if you can PvE and not fall asleep while doing it.  Hopefully it is very large and packed with PvE content as well.  Also hoping that it is much larger than GW2 WvW.  If they are smart they will put the better gathering/PvE mob loot drops on that continent.

  • BoreilBoreil Dallas, TXPosts: 448Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    To answer you question no the pvp is not arena/instance based  as far as cyrodill is concerned pvp is more open world than most other pvp games.

     

     Like has been said many many times by the dev's and on fansites, think Daoc frontiers. Each faction has its own huge open world pve lands to skill up quest explore the story  and  ruins,  dungeons and everything you expect in a ES game.

    Then there is Cyrodil,  the center of the world, a huge fully open area full of forts and castles to siege mines farms  towns villages citys caves ruins etc etc, tons of  open world pvp/pve content you to enjoy. They have said you can go there at level 10 and if you wish you could stay there the rest of the game  if you wanted. They said they used the entire hightmap of oblivion  for just this one area so you can bet its going to be vast and not something you just run across in a 30 min trip.

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  • HolophonistHolophonist Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 2,086Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TalulaRose

    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

     

    Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

     

    If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

     

    That's a pretty narrow opinion you have there.
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by cura
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

    Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

     

    Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

    Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

    There is probably just as much PvE in Cyrodil as there is Pvp...

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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