Why do some mmo's leave unwanted data in your registry?

JemcrystalJemcrystal Champaign, ILMember UncommonPosts: 1,739
Requiring you to go in and delete it yourself, a precariously dangerous mission, if you want to reinstall their game?  Is it a fault with the way the game was created or does the problem lie with computer program design?  Note that a few mmo's will not play if uninstalled then reinstalled do to this left over data.  Two examples I can give from personal experience are Aion and Mabinogi.  I'm sure there are more out there.

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  • GruntyGrunty TexasMember RarePosts: 8,172
    Because most applications of any sort do the same thing. Virtually all developers don't clean up after themselves very well.  Some do it intentionally.
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  • jazz.bejazz.be Sint-NiklaasMember UncommonPosts: 830

    Not sure I experienced this with games.

    But  generally speaking, a lot of programs leaves waste in the registry.

    The packaging of the application isn't always done carefully.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member EpicPosts: 18,210
    For most software, cleaning up the registry upon uninstallation isn't exactly the highest priority.  But for a game to not allow you to reinstall it unless you clean up the registry yourself is really bad.
  • JemcrystalJemcrystal Champaign, ILMember UncommonPosts: 1,739
    I use CCleaner program to clean my registry because it's free but if I look in my registry after I can still see old games that haven't been removed completely.  Manually cleaning a registry (which can break stuff easy) is hard since not every file is named.  Some associated files have numeric titles.
  • 5Luck5Luck Shelton, CTMember UncommonPosts: 218

    Im a gona call piracy on this thread.

     

    Deamon tools is the only app that messes with the registry like this. Best bet is to scrap that hard drive start fresh with a new SSD and windows and become a steam member. Never use deamon tools or its ilk. Those programs mess up your regestry and makes uninstalling and reinstalling an honest game a nasty buisness.

     

    Good luck

  • sevitothsevitoth San Diego, CAMember UncommonPosts: 375
    Originally posted by 5Luck
    Im a gona call piracy on this thread.   Deamon tools is the only app that messes with the registry like this. Best bet is to scrap that hard drive start fresh with a new SSD and windows and become a steam member. Never use deamon tools or its ilk. Those programs mess up your regestry and makes uninstalling and reinstalling an honest game a nasty buisness.   Good luck

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaMember UncommonPosts: 3,903


    Originally posted by Jemcrystal
    Requiring you to go in and delete it yourself, a precariously dangerous mission, if you want to reinstall their game?  Is it a fault with the way the game was created or does the problem lie with computer program design?  Note that a few mmo's will not play if uninstalled then reinstalled do to this left over data.  Two examples I can give from personal experience are Aion and Mabinogi.  I'm sure there are more out there.

    What exactly is the issue with leaving keys there? there only strings, consume hardly any space, and theres no performance hit?

    For example. leaving a key that resolves to your saved game folder, so next reinstall your game knows where you saved your games?

    edit: Rereading your post, If your blocked from a re install because of a legacy key that's either because the program was not removed the properly, or if its a 3rd party uninstaller bad programming on their part. Having said that i have not had an issue like that in many years as most installer simply overrides the existing installation.

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  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048
    Originally posted by 5Luck
    Im a gona call piracy on this thread.   Deamon tools is the only app that messes with the registry like this. Best bet is to scrap that hard drive start fresh with a new SSD and windows and become a steam member. Never use deamon tools or its ilk. Those programs mess up your regestry and makes uninstalling and reinstalling an honest game a nasty buisness.   Good luck

    That is simply not true. Many applications, not just games, tend to dig themselves into the registry. They don't always have malicious reasons behind them (Though they can in terms of datamining you, which isn't very uncommon either). Anti-hack tools tend to have many registry stuff mixed in as well. The issue is most the time uninstalling their program is an afterthought, leaving them to keep changes in your system even after the program is removed.

    Also, you realize steam has its own things it puts deep into your computer as well, right? Stuff that doesn't stop certain games/programs from digging into your registry at times. 

  • 5Luck5Luck Shelton, CTMember UncommonPosts: 218
    Originally posted by Purutzil
    Originally posted by 5Luck
    Im a gona call piracy on this thread.   Deamon tools is the only app that messes with the registry like this. Best bet is to scrap that hard drive start fresh with a new SSD and windows and become a steam member. Never use deamon tools or its ilk. Those programs mess up your regestry and makes uninstalling and reinstalling an honest game a nasty buisness.   Good luck

    That is simply not true. Many applications, not just games, tend to dig themselves into the registry. They don't always have malicious reasons behind them (Though they can in terms of datamining you, which isn't very uncommon either). Anti-hack tools tend to have many registry stuff mixed in as well. The issue is most the time uninstalling their program is an afterthought, leaving them to keep changes in your system even after the program is removed.

    Also, you realize steam has its own things it puts deep into your computer as well, right? Stuff that doesn't stop certain games/programs from digging into your registry at times. 

    Well I guess I could see what your saying -if- the application end user Did Not do any prevoius research to instalation. I mean  the only applications that dont have a better version with quality referances and reveiws at least somewhere on the net are the "fake CD rom" drive EMUs or just plain new programs that have the -beta- tag

    And honestly who is gona come here to complain about a labeled beta Lol oh yea my mistake this is MMORPG.com

     

    But surly some one can find at least one other source of these things so we can openly talk about this problem without being labled pirates right?

     

    I still call Piracy!

  • BetakodoBetakodo Poor land, FLMember UncommonPosts: 331
    5Luck, the OP's talking about F2P mmo's. Who would need to pirate those?
  • HedeonHedeon Member UncommonPosts: 995
    only game Ive seen as an issue to reinstall were EQ2, had to delete it and clean registry to make it run somewhat acceptable - dont know if it is just me who had done something stupid, but it were pretty much unplayable...iirc this were when I went from using their old client to the new streaming.
  • 5Luck5Luck Shelton, CTMember UncommonPosts: 218
    Originally posted by Betakodo
    5Luck, the OP's talking about F2P mmo's. Who would need to pirate those?

    See with all those other aplications such as F2P MMOs one would simply format the drive and the problem would be solved but in the case of a pirate the drive EMU alters the primary way a drive is accessed to fool the anti piracy -contrievences- into beliving they data is coming from a liget source......

     

    A wipe and format wont fix that.....

  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Privacy Preferred, NCMember Posts: 1,059

    I used to be compulsively anal about keeping my PC registry clean of junk entries. It does speed up PC operation and prevent errors. It seems like most programming teams are sloppy with uninstalls and that MS is failing at file association. I use CC cleaner to remove the obvious left overs in current times while leaving everything else alone as it has gotten too risky to tinker.  MMO games are not special in this regard and the trend or fact thereof certainly rubs me entirely wrong. Sloppy code is worse than sloppy math man.

     

    Why is this way? I figured we just lived in an age where nobody cared. However, it was suggested to me by a pro that the issue is an outgrowth of how the average consumer treats their computers like game consoles. IE... they trash them every three to five years and replace them with a totally new rig, In such an environment it makes little sense to care overly much about being exactingly clean with registries ( and fund that worry) as by the time it will be an issue most people have moved on to a new machine and MS has moved on to a new operating system.

     

    I don't know the truth of it personally. It is what it is. Though I admit the amount of electronics we throw away in modern times to keep up with the tech curve concerns me on another level.

  • BeegsBeegs InvernessMember Posts: 107
    Originally posted by 5Luck
    Originally posted by Betakodo
    5Luck, the OP's talking about F2P mmo's. Who would need to pirate those?

    See with all those other aplications such as F2P MMOs one would simply format the drive and the problem would be solved but in the case of a pirate the drive EMU alters the primary way a drive is accessed to fool the anti piracy -contrievences- into beliving they data is coming from a liget source......

     

    A wipe and format wont fix that.....

    You are talking nonsense. I pity anyone who is unfortunate enough to be taking advice on these matters from you. If you dont like piracy thats fine, im not here to champion it either, repeatedly posting stuff like this just makes you look like an ill informed fool. Or troll, im still not sure which.

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  • 5Luck5Luck Shelton, CTMember UncommonPosts: 218
    Originally posted by Beegs

    You are talking nonsense. I pity anyone who is unfortunate enough to be taking advice on these matters from you. If you dont like piracy thats fine, im not here to champion it either, repeatedly posting stuff like this just makes you look like an ill informed fool. Or troll, im still not sure which.

    A troll account claiming trolling?

     

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  • BeegsBeegs InvernessMember Posts: 107
    Originally posted by 5Luck
    Originally posted by Beegs

    You are talking nonsense. I pity anyone who is unfortunate enough to be taking advice on these matters from you. If you dont like piracy thats fine, im not here to champion it either, repeatedly posting stuff like this just makes you look like an ill informed fool. Or troll, im still not sure which.

    A troll account claiming trolling?

     

    Nom Nom

    That was some good cheese...

    Well that has as much basis in fact as the rest of your posts on this thread.

    Which drive is  damaged beyond repair by using daemon tools? The system drive? The install drive? Id love to read your supporting evidence for daemon tools damaging registrys in and of itself. Games installed by using a virtual drive are no more prone to leaving behind registry entries than using a physical one. Again you must have some excellent supporting evidence to back up such a ludicrous claim, im sure youll be posting it here to enlighten us all.

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  • sacredfoolsacredfool Member UncommonPosts: 845
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick
    I used to be compulsively anal about keeping my PC registry clean of junk entries. It does speed up PC operation and prevent errors. It seems like most programming teams are sloppy with uninstalls and that MS is failing at file association. I use CC cleaner to remove the obvious left overs in current times while leaving everything else alone as it has gotten too risky to tinker.  

    Eh, most people are sloppy with it because it's hardly a performance hit, if at all. You really aren't saving any space or improving your performance by getting rid of  some trash left over from game deinstalls.

    There are a few applications I do take care to deinstall fully, especially startup ones, but games are not one of them.


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  • BanquettoBanquetto CityMember UncommonPosts: 1,037
    No idea what this has to do with MMOs, most Windows software has extremely poor installation and uninstallation practices.
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