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[General Article] EVE Online: Rubicon Certainly Feels Compelling

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Rubicon, EVE Online's 2013 Winter Expansion, was recently released and we've taken the new content for a spin. See what we thought of our time in Rubicon before leaving your own impressions in the comments.

As the first chapter in this new story, Rubicon works well at setting the scene. The concept of the Empires losing their grip and Capsuleer corporations flooding in is certainly tantalizing. And, barring a few hiccups, the new tools that CCP has provided are definitely fun to use. But it’s difficult to judge the expansion on its own, partly because of the ten year legacy that it’s built on, and partly because it takes time for changes to ripple through the MMO sandbox. While the first few steps are solid, it’s going to take a while to know if the direction we’re heading in is a good one. 

Read more of Gareth Harmer's EVE Online: Rubicon Certainly Feels Compelling.

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  • JakdstripperJakdstripper logan lake, BCPosts: 2,126Member Uncommon

    i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..

    ..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....

    ...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships. 

    .....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...

    ......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....

    .........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....

    ............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....

     

     

    ........................every damn time.

  • wazaapwazaap copenhagenPosts: 19Member Common
    Originally posted by Jakdstripper

    i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..

    ..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....

    ...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships. 

    .....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...

    ......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....

    .........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....

    ............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....

     

     

    ........................every damn time.

    A whole lot of this...... Unfortunately....

  • HersaintHersaint Oak, WIPosts: 366Member

    Had the same experience when I tried it a few months ago. Funny stuff.

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  • LonewolfLonewolf DartfordPosts: 252Member
    Same experience, just dull dull dull
  • joojoo1975joojoo1975 centralia, ILPosts: 274Member Common

    yep, Jakd pretty much hit the nail on the head.

     

    I thought the training skills thing was a new concept(when I left everquest to come to eve many a year ago) but after doing 3 or 4 lvl 5 skill pops, only to have ccp come in and nerf that ship/skill(I was missles before cold war and Ewar before calli)

    needless to say now i just can't bring myself to resub.

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  • AnubisanAnubisan Boulder, COPosts: 1,801Member
    Same here. I really WANT to enjoy Eve. There are so many things about it that you simply can't find anywhere else. Too bad the game just isn't that fun...
  • TyrianPrimeTyrianPrime OlympusPosts: 106Member
    Originally posted by Jakdstripper

    i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..

    ..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....

    ...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships. 

    .....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...

    ......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....

    .........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....

    ............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....

     

     

    ........................every damn time.

    Unfortunately this is more or less what i also experienced, even within corps. EVE is a great game, but takes too long to have that gratification that a new expansion promises. On the other hand we have been treated with modern MMOs providing instant gratification but as quickly most abandon them equally. I am afraid that only WoW danced well and close enough to this fine line, where EVE is one side, and most MMOs on the other opposite.

    I am not into making EVE more easy, that would kill it by bringing it to the instant gratification side that is, but to make it's mechanics more eye candy, and less boring, that's all i would wish.

     

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  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,867Member Uncommon

    Skill points isn't the limiting factor, your mind set is.

    For some people it is difficult to break off from concept they are familiar with - get levels to unlock the content, and adapt to different concept EVE is based on.

  • Mad+DogMad+Dog EdinburghPosts: 656Member Uncommon

    Not really, if I cant fly a particular ship I cant do what I want. So allot of content is road blocked.

     

    OP, this is what happens to me every time, I've given up now.

     

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  • piquetpiquet OdensePosts: 202Member
    Originally posted by Jakdstripper

    i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..

    ..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....

    ...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships. 

    .....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...

    ......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....

    .........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....

    ............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....

     

     

    ........................every damn time.

    My story with EVE exactly lol :-)

     

    It's certainly not a game everyone.

     
  • NeocasterNeocaster Avenel, NJPosts: 24Member

    I feel the same...

    After seeing the new content, I was about to sub again and realized why I would stop playing after month each time...

     

     

  • GMan33GMan33 Sterling Heights, MIPosts: 79Member Common

    I was away 3 years but i have never stopped training lol. So now that i came back i have a nice 177 million sp character to play with. And im really enjoying it, i can see lots of changes, even visually. And lots of smaller but neat little changes that are a nice touch. Basically i just go in with the attitude, ok this is what i want to do in here, and i do it.

    if i go with no purpose like most mmos because its spoon fed, then you wont last.

     Even though this game doesnt cater to most people, i do have to say as a true MMO, it demolishes all others, its a true open world do what you want, run by the players game.....but its just doesnt cater to all. But it will probably outast every mmo in existence even if you dont play it
  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,867Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Mad+Dog

    Not really, if I cant fly a particular ship I cant do what I want. So allot of content is road blocked. 

    Erm, no.

    It only means that you cannot utilize what you have, you cannot work with tools that are given to you.

  • hfztthfztt GlostrupPosts: 840Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lonewolf
    Same experience, just dull dull dull

    You are playing it wrong.

    'nuff said.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,672Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jakdstripper

    i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..

    ..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....

    A lot of the new content doesn't require you to be in a big corp, or even a corp at all.

    The Siphon Units are just as accessible and lucrative for the solo larceny-minded individual as they are for a corp with an axe to grind. The mobile depot and tractor unit are also solo-friendly in cost, size and transportability. Scanning and hacking ghost sites don't require any advanced training, and the new Sisters of EVE exploration ships are great for solo scanning, exploration and deep space excursions. If you're really ambitious, you can take down an Interbus Customs Office and set up one of your own on a plnet where there's a decent enough flow of goods to tax, but not so much that it'll prompt someone to declare war on you and attack your office.

    The rest of the new content is also rather universally accessible - new Certificate system, ISIS, warp and rebalancing changes, rapid missile launchers and that hot new feature - atmospheric sounds from the suns!  And, yes, that last one was listed solely for the pun.

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  • KrematoryKrematory TVNPosts: 542Member Uncommon
    I guess I'm one of those lucky enough to actually enjoy the game :P I've been unable to stay longer than 2 months in any other MMO since I started with EVE. When it comes to massively multiplayer games It's just unmatched in my opinion. Oh, and I love the new flavour those changes in warp speeds added to the game! Great expansion overall.

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  • eric_w66eric_w66 North Richland Hills, TXPosts: 1,006Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GMan33

    I was away 3 years but i have never stopped training lol. So now that i came back i have a nice 177 million sp character to play with. And im really enjoying it, i can see lots of changes, even visually. And lots of smaller but neat little changes that are a nice touch. Basically i just go in with the attitude, ok this is what i want to do in here, and i do it.

    if i go with no purpose like most mmos because its spoon fed, then you wont last.

     Even though this game doesnt cater to most people, i do have to say as a true MMO, it demolishes all others, its a true open world do what you want, run by the players game.....but its just doesnt cater to all. But it will probably outast every mmo in existence even if you dont play it

    You paid for 3 years worth of sub just to raise skills and not play the game? (Since you can't unsub and still gain skill points, you'd have had to pay for the privilege of gaining SP)...

    "Basically i just go in with the attitude, ok this is what i want to do in here, and i do it."

    You paid 3 years up front for that ability. Yikes...

     

  • KarahandrasKarahandras Sible HedinghamPosts: 1,676Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

    Skill points isn't the limiting factor, your mind set is.

    For some people it is difficult to break off from concept they are familiar with - get levels to unlock the content, and adapt to different concept EVE is based on.

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  • FionnFionn Austin, TXPosts: 68Member
    Star Citizen will replace me need to play Eve... which I don't have any desire to play EVE because their point and leveling system is idiotic.  You also have to have 3 accounts just to play the game correctly.  1 for mining,  another for combat, and another doing your daily trading and selling.  
  • Dr_ShivinskiDr_Shivinski Seattle, WAPosts: 259Member Uncommon

    To everyone who can't seem to get a foothold in EVE. Brave Newbies is a corp that started alliance called the Brave Collective. They take in people who are just hours old and will get you into pvp while providing ships and fits and skills plans to your liking! I threw an alt in there the other night and within 10 minutes of joining was in a fleet and blowing shit up.

    So if you have that urge to resub but keep thinking you can't do anything, get off your ass and shoot Brave Newbies an application and go get some killmails...(read lossmails but still really fucking fun)

    http://themittani.com/features/alliance-profile-brave-newbies

     

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  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,867Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by FionnStar Citizen will replace me need to play Eve...

    If you find combat and skill system "idiotic" and you are illusioning yourself that "3 accounts are required just to play the game", I am very confident to say that you never had a need to play the game.

    1st is your personal opinion, a preference, 2nd is utter nonsense.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,191Member Uncommon

    The new ship certificates are a real hoot.  Pretty much are useless for figuring out how well you can fly a ship as there is always at least one or two worthless skills included for most that has no affect how well you fly the ship.  Whoever designed the certificate system certainly does not play the game very much.

    The new ships are nice, but I have far more important skills to max before fooling with Amarr skills, so I can't fly them.

    Ghost sites are extremely easy ways to lose a ship, so use cheap ones.  Certainly don't use one of the new sisters ships on them unless you like throwing lots of money down the drain, even the frigate is going for 100 million and the cruiser 400.

    Mining needs a serious overhaul, current design is mind numbingly boring and it is supposed to be a game isn't it.  Hard to have fun mining for any length of time.

  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,623Member Uncommon

    Ok I bet 90 % of the people that are here complaining that EVE has a crazy skill system and it is impossible to enjoy the game because of it, are people that also, constantly cite EVE as one of the shining examples of an Open PvP sandbox game.

     

    So basically what everyone here is saying is that you just need to get rid of the skill leveling component and EVE would be the perfect game?

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  • stragen001stragen001 ReadingPosts: 1,720Member
    Eve = PvP Economics

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  • PalaPala MoonPosts: 134Member Uncommon

    I haven't played Eve for a couple of years because I got bored, but even I know that people above complaining about skill training just don't get it. Eve is not instant gratification game like you seem to want every game to be.

    It is really annoying that other than Eve most games are just far to easy and everything is handed on a plate.

    I wish I could play EVE but I burned myself out and recently when I came back I found the ship graphics was worse then when I left. For some reason it all looked more cartoonish and less realistic than when I left.

     

     

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