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Games we may never see because they have MMOs

NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon

Warcraft 4, Neverwinter Nights 3, Knights of the Old Republic 3, and I have serious fears about the next Elder Scrolls installment.

My main question here and what I would like to discuss is what if you heard Fallout, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Starcraft, or any other popular franchise was announcing a MMORPG. Would you be excited, disappointed or both at the prospect of going MMO? The main concern being other games will not be developed because of the MMO.

I wish we still got the games I listed at the start of this post instead of having to compromise franchises into MMOs. I feel like there is still a huge market for the non-MMO games to exist in and sadly they do not get made.

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Boca Raton, FLPosts: 867Member Uncommon

    I'm pretty sure that's a false cause; just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will never happen.  I think it's really up to the game studios to decide "hey, why not go on and make another [insert favorite IP here]  game, even though there's that one MMO going"... along with a number of other factors including the market, etc.

    With all the news about WoW subs on the decline, I wouldn't be surprised to see Warcraft 4 at some point.

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    edit: I don't think it's even necessarily true that an MMO must fail in order for there to be a non-MMO sequel... so... ignore that comment about WoW.  Gah!

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  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon
    I wouldn't mind another Warcraft RTS :D
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member

    I am not too concern if some sequels do not get made. I thought people here actually like innovation instead of clamoring for more and more sequels.

    There is enough entertainment in the world anyway.

  • elockeelocke Manassas, VAPosts: 4,205Member Uncommon
    Final Fantasy has 2 MMOs and is still churning out single player FFs. Warhammer also had an MMO and still pooped out some RTSs, FPSs, TPSs and so on.   So...me thinks the point here is moot.
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by elocke
    Final Fantasy has 2 MMOs and is still churning out single player FFs. Warhammer also had an MMO and still pooped out some RTSs, FPSs, TPSs and so on.   So...me thinks the point here is moot.

    BTW, warhammer quest is a great turn-based iOS dungeon romp. A bit short .. but good nevertheless (another example of games don't have to be long to be fun).

     

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    What about games that we might actually see because MMOs and multiplayer gaming are an expected thing now?

    Multiplayer Fallout would probably be cool.

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  • Neo_ViperNeo_Viper NotyourbusinessPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    What about games that we might actually see because MMOs and multiplayer gaming are an expected thing now?

    Multiplayer Fallout would probably be cool.

    I'd love to see more smaller scale quality multiplayer games I could play with friends. Things like Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2, where you can also edit and build your own worlds.

    Things like a multiplayer Skyrim would be awesome (yeah I know there's a mod, but it's quite crappy).

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  • QuirhidQuirhid TamperePosts: 5,969Member Common
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    What about games that we might actually see because MMOs and multiplayer gaming are an expected thing now?

    Multiplayer Fallout would probably be cool.

    Please, no.

    Co-op games maybe, MMOs definite no.

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  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,579Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    What about games that we might actually see because MMOs and multiplayer gaming are an expected thing now?

    Multiplayer Fallout would probably be cool.

    Please, no.

    Co-op games maybe, MMOs definite no.

    If ES 6 doesn't release with a co-op mode I'd be shocked.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    What about games that we might actually see because MMOs and multiplayer gaming are an expected thing now?

    Multiplayer Fallout would probably be cool.

    Please, no.

    Co-op games maybe, MMOs definite no.

    many MMOs are more or less Co-op games anyway.

    I would like a SP turn-based fallout on my tablet though.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    KOTOR 3 may end up being made, as EA have acquired rights to make Star Wars games now, and they own Bioware, the only worry now though is that it may not be high quality, as it will be developed by EAware, more than Bioware, with the Doctors quitting.

    FF XI did not stop FF XII and FF XIII from being made, so there is still hope of games being made even with MMOs, but less likely due to developers concentrating on the MMOs than making new games

  • goldtoofgoldtoof leedsPosts: 337Member
    Originally posted by nilden

    Warcraft 4, Neverwinter Nights 3, Knights of the Old Republic 3, and I have serious fears about the next Elder Scrolls installment.

    My main question here and what I would like to discuss is what if you heard Fallout, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Starcraft, or any other popular franchise was announcing a MMORPG. Would you be excited, disappointed or both at the prospect of going MMO? The main concern being other games will not be developed because of the MMO.

    I wish we still got the games I listed at the start of this post instead of having to compromise franchises into MMOs. I feel like there is still a huge market for the non-MMO games to exist in and sadly they do not get made.

    well in the case of elder scrolls.  Bethseda are currently working on fallout 4, set in the Boston area.  After that they are making TES6.  ESO isn't being made by bethseda.

     

    As for games I would like as MMOs.

    Chivalry - would be like a medieval planetside

    DOOM 2 - hell on earth

    Elite - but thats happening anyway

  • KonfessKonfess Dallas, TXPosts: 956Member Uncommon

    The communities main complaint with SWTOR was that is was KoTOR 3.  I said it during beta.  The VA story and side quests would feel like speed bumps to MMO gamers, and they did.  I'm not gonna call the space combat "on rails", I'm gonna call it what it has always been a "Turret Shooter Mini Game".  This is something that KoTOR has always had.

     

    I don't believe that Fallout Online is dead.  I expect that Interplay will repurpose the work that was done and release it, when and if they can.  Bethesda fought for control of the IP, I still expect ZeniMax Online to do something with it.

     

    True MMOs are resource hogs, but soon the industry will learn how to manage the demand and churn out MMO for the price of single player games.

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by lizardbones What about games that we might actually see because MMOs and multiplayer gaming are an expected thing now? Multiplayer Fallout would probably be cool.
    Please, no.

    Co-op games maybe, MMOs definite no.




    Yeah, I wasn't talking about MMORPGs. More along the lines of player run servers. Basically what's possible with Minecraft. Though I expect if stuff like this does happen, all of the "servers" will be run on the developers' servers.

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  • aspekxaspekx Brandon, FLPosts: 2,167Member

    im actually more concerned that we won't get an ES co-op game than anything else.

     

    i really wish they had released a co-op for Oblivion and Skyrim tbh.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member

    Do we really need a warcraft 4 or a dragon age part 26 ?

    I'd rather see these titles get ruined by mmos and new titles with new stories created. I hate seeing movies remade. I don't really want to see all my old favorites become tired old games that have just been hollowed out so ppl can dump money into them.

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,579Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    Do we really need a warcraft 4 or a dragon age part 26 ?

    I'd rather see these titles get ruined by mmos and new titles with new stories created. I hate seeing movies remade. I don't really want to see all my old favorites become tired old games that have just been hollowed out so ppl can dump money into them.

    Depends.

    If they are just re-skinning old game mechanics then yeah. However if Warcraft 4 was pushing new innovative mechanics within the RTS genre then yes please, give me Warcraft 4. Same for Dragon Age 26. :)

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  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,561Member Uncommon
    I want a warcraft single player rpg with some rts gameplay in it, kind of like how Brutal Legend mixed rpg with rts elements.
  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by goldtoof
    Originally posted by nilden Warcraft 4, Neverwinter Nights 3, Knights of the Old Republic 3, and I have serious fears about the next Elder Scrolls installment. My main question here and what I would like to discuss is what if you heard Fallout, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Starcraft, or any other popular franchise was announcing a MMORPG. Would you be excited, disappointed or both at the prospect of going MMO? The main concern being other games will not be developed because of the MMO. I wish we still got the games I listed at the start of this post instead of having to compromise franchises into MMOs. I feel like there is still a huge market for the non-MMO games to exist in and sadly they do not get made.
    well in the case of elder scrolls.  Bethseda are currently working on fallout 4, set in the Boston area.  After that they are making TES6.  ESO isn't being made by bethseda.

    That is speculation and rumors.

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  • iridescenceiridescence Elliot Lake, ONPosts: 1,486Member

    Elder Scrolls single player  will be fine. It's not Bethesda's main studio that's working on ESO and I would be hugely shocked if ESO makes more money than Skyrim.

     

    I would *love* to see NWN3 and don't see why that crap F2P MMO would stop them if they want to make it. I'm not sure who owns the rights now though.

     

    KOTOR3 made by current Bioware and Warcraft 4 get a big "meh.." from me. If Obsidian made KOTOR3 though I would be all over that.

     

     

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Nitth
    Originally posted by goldtoof
    Originally posted by nilden Warcraft 4, Neverwinter Nights 3, Knights of the Old Republic 3, and I have serious fears about the next Elder Scrolls installment. My main question here and what I would like to discuss is what if you heard Fallout, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Starcraft, or any other popular franchise was announcing a MMORPG. Would you be excited, disappointed or both at the prospect of going MMO? The main concern being other games will not be developed because of the MMO. I wish we still got the games I listed at the start of this post instead of having to compromise franchises into MMOs. I feel like there is still a huge market for the non-MMO games to exist in and sadly they do not get made.
    well in the case of elder scrolls.  Bethseda are currently working on fallout 4, set in the Boston area.  After that they are making TES6.  ESO isn't being made by bethseda.

    That is speculation and rumors.




    Fallout 4 is definitely "in development". As to the setting, whether or not the Tunnel Snakes will make a return or anything else about it, nobody publicly knows.

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  • RoguewizRoguewiz Lampasas, TXPosts: 614Member Uncommon

    I don't care what IP the next MMO is from, or if they make their own IP.  I want a game that is fresh and new, not the same old rehashed polished turds we saw in its predecessors.

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  • SpeelySpeely Seattle, WAPosts: 861Member
    I wouldn't worry about it. Franchises that aren't stale and still sell well will be fine. If a publisher can make money on a SP game AND rake in MMO revnue, they will do both. Bethesda, for example, has a sweet thing going IF ESO garners a good crowd. Their SP games are basically money-printing machines so they won't just ignore them. More is better. 
  • fivorothfivoroth LondonPosts: 3,665Member Uncommon
    A new TES games is definitely coming out despite the mmo bring produced at the moment.
    On the other hand I am very sad that there is no warcraft 4 yet. Warcraft series games are amazing. Would kill for wc4 and I am pretty sure it will come at some point. Warcraft is one of the biggest computer Is, there is no way wow is the last game in the series.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,916Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nilden

    Warcraft 4, Neverwinter Nights 3, Knights of the Old Republic 3, and I have serious fears about the next Elder Scrolls installment.

    My main question here and what I would like to discuss is what if you heard Fallout, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Starcraft, or any other popular franchise was announcing a MMORPG. Would you be excited, disappointed or both at the prospect of going MMO? The main concern being other games will not be developed because of the MMO.

    I wish we still got the games I listed at the start of this post instead of having to compromise franchises into MMOs. I feel like there is still a huge market for the non-MMO games to exist in and sadly they do not get made.

    I see no reason why Bethesda would quit working on their premier franchise no matter how well ESO does. Especially considering the success of their last release within that franchise. ESo is being developed by a separate studio entirely.

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