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Valve/nvidia develop next gaming platform with steamOS slap in face for AMD users?

ClassicstarClassicstar rotjeknorPosts: 2,690Member

I just read a tech report on dutch site that steamOS will be optimized for nvidia users WTF?

Can anybody explain me if i understand this wrong or is the industry this dumb and not neutral?

I know its all about money that counts but if eventually only nvidia left for gamers thats also very bad for us gamers no choice seems insanely stupid in long run.

I think gaming industry should always embrace both AMD and NVIDIA nomatter what i know this is not the case for years amny games which i btw boycot for years now that have nvidia logo on it and is ment to be played with nvidia card i dont buy.

But valves plan is eventually if it succeed dismise whole MS OS as gaming platform(MS helping them with win8 btw:P) and in future we have almost no choice but going steamOS but they are OPTIMIZED FOR NVIDIA so in other words screw you AMD users you eather go nvidia or leave we don't care.

Is there any truth in this what im saying here?

I love abandon MS and go steamOS but if its nvidia main support and AMD users again have no optimized games for there cards on steam hardware ill boycot steam also.

Your views on this guys?

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  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,047Member Uncommon

    Its only that Nvidia didnt have proper Linux drivers. And now since Valve is behind they are shifting gear to privide good drivers.

    Thats all what this news means.

    Sorry, in this day and age of marketing double talk, you sometime need to read between lines.

     

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    I think AMD is slowly backing down from gfx competition.

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  • g0m0rrahg0m0rrah indianapolis, INPosts: 269Member
    If valve does optimize for nvidia only, then I will dump steam. Proprietary nonsense will ruin PC gaming...
  • ChrispyChrisChrispyChris AradPosts: 27Member

    Read this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049369/amd-nvidia-ramp-up-linux-driver-support-after-valves-steamos-announcement.html

     

    AMD did it before NVidia did - it looks to me like it's the other way around, and NVidia are playing catch up at the moment.

     

    Edit: To clarify - It's not SteamOS that is being optimized for NVidia/AMD. NVidia/AMD devs are making sure that no matter which card is in the box that runs SteamOS, it'll run crazy good. 

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by ChrispyChris
    Read this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049369/amd-nvidia-ramp-up-linux-driver-support-after-valves-steamos-announcement.html AMD did it before NVidia did - it looks to me like it's the other way around, and NVidia are playing catch up at the moment. Edit: To clarify - It's not SteamOS that is being optimized for NVidia/AMD. NVidia/AMD devs are making sure that no matter which card is in the box that runs SteamOS, it'll run crazy good. 

    This fits with their third tier of the Steam Machine too, where the specs are whatever the player can afford to buy. No point in having such an open ended spec if you're going to limit the optimization to Nvidia.

    Now, their $300 console at tier 2 might be optimized for Intel/Nvidia, but that's because it's a console and they have to pick 1 architecture as a target to make it worthwhile. But we really don't know the specs for their console yet. It has to be pretty cheap. So while Intel/Nvidia can stomp all over AMD for performance they may not be able to do it on the budget that Valve has in mind.

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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Kitchener, ONPosts: 1,970Member Uncommon

    Almost every single game has this claim somewhere.  Whichever company provides hardware for development or whatever gets their logo and "optimized for".  This is not new and typically doesn't mean much.

     

    Also, I have gone back and forth between Nvidia and AMD depending on the time I purchase a card.  You would "drop steam" because the thought of EVER using an NVidia card makes you that upset?

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  • AngztAngzt berlinPosts: 230Member
    nvidia is making the better gfx cards anyway

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  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by g0m0rrah
    If valve does optimize for nvidia only, then I will dump steam. Proprietary nonsense will ruin PC gaming...

    which is pretty much what Steam have been saying about windows 8, which is why their developing their own OS, which will undoubtedly be used on their 'steam box.' That its optimised for nvidia is just something that happens when consoles come with a particular type of GPU, it has nothing to do with PC's in any shape or form, Unless of course your intending to ditch your current OS and get Steams OS when its released, which at the end of the day is just another variety of Linux, much the same as Ubuntu is.image

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,765Member Uncommon
    Valve will optimize it for any significant graphics vendor willing to work with them.
  • GrayImpactGrayImpact NetherlandsPosts: 983Member Uncommon
    It's just healthy competition.. Some developers go with Nvidia, and others with AMD, that doesn't mean the company thats not directly supported wont make drivers that work.
  • syntax42syntax42 Columbus, OHPosts: 1,305Member Uncommon
    "Optimized" and "compatible" are vastly different, and I think the OP is getting far too dramatic over what seems to be a misunderstanding.  If the SteamOS is optimized for nvidia, I expect slightly better framerates from nvidia cards, but likely not by more than a 10% difference.  However, I don't think this will be the case.  Individual game engines are far more likely to be optimized for a graphics card than an OS is.  What the OP is doing would be like complaining about Windows being optimized for AMD.  I just used that as an example.
  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Valve will optimize it for any significant graphics vendor willing to work with them.

    I like to imagine Intel GMA parts that don't suck in this scenario. :-)

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  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Both my desktop and my laptop have AMD GPUs, couldn't care less about it because AMD hardware runs decently on Linux based operating systems anyway so if I ever find myself compelled to switch to SteamOS I wouldn't really be taking much of a hit.

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  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter BristolPosts: 2,800Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    ps

    I think AMD is slowly backing down from gfx competition.

    Considering their aggressive presentation of Mantle yesterday, I think you are wrong.

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  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,933Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Classicstar

    I just read a tech report on dutch site that steamOS will be optimized for nvidia users WTF?

    Can anybody explain me if i understand this wrong or is the industry this dumb and not neutral?

    I know its all about money that counts but if eventually only nvidia left for gamers thats also very bad for us gamers no choice seems insanely stupid in long run.

    I think gaming industry should always embrace both AMD and NVIDIA nomatter what i know this is not the case for years amny games which i btw boycot for years now that have nvidia logo on it and is ment to be played with nvidia card i dont buy.

    But valves plan is eventually if it succeed dismise whole MS OS as gaming platform(MS helping them with win8 btw:P) and in future we have almost no choice but going steamOS but they are OPTIMIZED FOR NVIDIA so in other words screw you AMD users you eather go nvidia or leave we don't care.

    Is there any truth in this what im saying here?

    I love abandon MS and go steamOS but if its nvidia main support and AMD users again have no optimized games for there cards on steam hardware ill boycot steam also.

    Your views on this guys?

    Do you boycott consoles?

     

    You do know they only use AMD gpu's. So I don't think that developer's are neglecting AMD.

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAPosts: 4,163Member Uncommon

    I actually think it would be smart for Valve.

    Linux has pretty poor graphics drivers - from Intel, from nVidia, and from AMD. In large part it's because there is no stable core, and Open Source just can't keep up with the proprietary nature of the cards.

    So, Valve has to do something about that if they want to push it as a major gaming platform.

    You aren't going to do a lot of serious gaming on Intel graphics, or any of the other options that aren't nVidia/AMD, so let's take those off the table.

    So now your looking at either writing optimized drivers yourself, for 2 platforms, or doing something to get the GPU manufacturers to put out better drivers - either via advertising or exclusivity or something.

    Looks like Valve is offering nVidia some measure of exclusivity in exchange for good video drivers for SteamOS.

    I can totally understand that. The cost of trying to develop your own driver would be very high. So high that to date, only one manufacturer really does it (Apple), and even they are pretty slow with putting out updates or supporting new cards. Microsoft doesn't even write their own optimized drivers; they just have GPU manufacturers do it because they are the 800lb gorilla.

    Giving half-assed performance will kill a gaming platform. Having good video drivers is essential. If your given the choice of trying to do it yourself (while still providing the OS as "Free"), or having one of the GPU manufacturers (who may be feeling a bit slighted at being picked for 0 of the next gen consoles) say they will do it for you if you just don't write an optimized driver for the other guy.. then it's a no brainer.

    It's not like you get a choice of GPUs in a console anyway.

  • DeivosDeivos Mountain View, CAPosts: 1,728Member Uncommon

    I imagine there's a somewhat lower barrier to entry with Nvidia into a Linux based OS since they recently launched the Shield using their hardware on Android for a theoretically high-end handheld gaming platform.

     

    Which, y'know, means they've been putting in effort to run their hardware on a Linux based OS.

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  • CleffyCleffy San Diego, CAPosts: 4,623Member Uncommon

    SteamOS is developed using steam. AMD does not even have graphics drivers for Linux. Its not like Valve is really picking and choosing. AMD is simply not an option.

    Now if you want a big Fuck You. AMD just did that this week since they control all 3 major consoles and released their open source API to use GCN graphics cards directly. So as a developer I can develop for all 3 consoles simultaneously without having to use DirectX and OpenGL.

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Classicstar
    I just read a tech report on dutch site that steamOS will be optimized for nvidia users WTF?

    Can anybody explain me if i understand this wrong or is the industry this dumb and not neutral?


    They are not dumb, they are smart. business is about making money.


    But valves plan is eventually if it succeed dismise whole MS OS as gaming platform(MS helping them with win8 btw:P) and in future we have almost no choice but going steamOS but they are OPTIMIZED FOR NVIDIA so in other words screw you AMD users you eather go nvidia or leave we don't care.

    Is there any truth in this what im saying here?

    I love abandon MS and go steamOS but if its nvidia main support and AMD users again have no optimized games for there cards on steam hardware ill boycot steam also.

    Your views on this guys?


    What do we have if they succeed? Basically the same as what windows is trying to do.
    A closed operating system where you buy your games through a operating system store.

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Cleffy
    SteamOS is developed using steam. AMD does not even have graphics drivers for Linux.

    Yes they do.

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  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter BristolPosts: 2,800Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Cleffy
    SteamOS is developed using steam. AMD does not even have graphics drivers for Linux.

     

    Yes they do.

    AMD even has open source drivers for linux.

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  • TraugarTraugar Robbinsville, NCPosts: 183Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Its only that Nvidia didnt have proper Linux drivers. And now since Valve is behind they are shifting gear to privide good drivers.

    Thats all what this news means.

    Sorry, in this day and age of marketing double talk, you sometime need to read between lines.

     

    ps

    I think AMD is slowly backing down from gfx competition.

    Where did you ever get the idea that Nvidia didn't have proper linux drivers?  From a desktop perspective Nvidia proprietary drivers work much better than AMD.  When running AMD proprietary drivers you usually have to hold back catalyst or xorg updates much more often than Nvidia.  The only area that was Nvidia's weak point was Optimus, and even there the community furnished Bumblebee and Primus.  Nvidia is now correcting the issue (I like to think due to comments made by Torvalds).  But the point is Nvidia keeps the proprietary driver updated really well. The open source drivers for both work well for 2d and the AMD is fairly well with 3d, but not nearly good enough for gaming. 

  • ScalplessScalpless SnowballvillePosts: 1,395Member Uncommon

    Both XBOne and PS4 will be using AMD video cards, which is why NVidia has been on the "consoles are inferior" train lately and is hopping on the SteamOS platform. On the other hand, AMD wants next-gen consoles to succeed, so they're pushing in the opposite direction.

    Nothing has changed, really. PC games are still prettier, consoles are still cheaper and both GPU manufacturers will try to release good Linux drivers if it becomes a notable gaming platform.

  • YalexyYalexy BerlinPosts: 1,052Member Uncommon

    What do you people don't understand about the SteamOS-thingy? You won't be able to play the games on a machine with SteamOS, but you'll need a Windows gaming rig in addition. The machine running SteamOS is only a client.

  • ScalplessScalpless SnowballvillePosts: 1,395Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yalexy

    What do you people don't understand about the SteamOS-thingy? You won't be able to play the games on a machine with SteamOS, but you'll need a Windows gaming rig in addition. The machine running SteamOS is only a client.

    No, it can both run games natively and stream Windows games. From the official site:

    "Hundreds of great games are already running natively on SteamOS. Watch for announcements in the coming weeks about all the AAA titles coming natively to SteamOS in 2014."

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Yalexy
    What do you people don't understand about the SteamOS-thingy? You won't be able to play the games on a machine with SteamOS, but you'll need a Windows gaming rig in addition. The machine running SteamOS is only a client.

    You've not read the information available, or you've misunderstood what's going one.

    There are three tiers to their initiative.

    Tier 1 : A streaming box, which allows you to stream games from a desktop machine. The client machine will run Steam, but it could be running Steam on SteamOS/Linux, or Windows. This is the $99 option.

    Tier 2 : A gaming console, running SteamOS. Games will download, install and execute on the console. Another machine is not needed. This is the $300 option.

    Tier 3 : Players or other manufacturers can build machines with any specifications they want, that runs the SteamOS. Games will download, install and execute on that machine. This is probably going to be the most expensive option, because people can put whatever hardware they want in there, as long as the hardware manufacturers have Linux device drivers. It's looking like both AMD and Nvidia are going to beef up their Linux support, possibly because Valve is focusing on Linux gaming.

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