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Destiny: Design Director Abruptly Leaves Bungie

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe CitadelMMORPG.COM Staff Posts: 21,494 Epic

Bungie's long time employee and Destiny Design Director Joseph Staten has abruptly left the company. Staten had been employed by Bungie for over 15 years and his farewell note on the official site gives no real hint at his reasons other than wanting to "explore new creative challenges".

We'll keep you posted as this story develops.

Head to Gamasutra for more.

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Comments

  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHMember Posts: 1,034
    Uh oh!!! This was the only reason to buy a next gen console. Instability leads to a lack of consumer confidence.
  • onlinenow25onlinenow25 San Diego, CAMember Posts: 293 Uncommon

    "When Gamasutra reached out to Destiny publisher Activision for comment on the departure, a representative for the company said it had no comment beyond what was written in the blog post."

     

    This tells me that there was a pretty serious dispute, wonder how long it had been going on for.  You don't just suddenly leave your job of 15 years.  Wonder what went down?

     

    But we also know that Destiny has been in development for 4 years.  Not sure if that was already known, its new to me.

  • augustgraceaugustgrace Cottonwood, CAMember Posts: 624 Uncommon

    Really?!  People aren't catching onto the obvious overly dramatic headlines being used here, to generate some traffic and clicks?  

    1)  Abrupt?  Of course not.  I'm sure anyone who actually "needed" to know, has known this was coming for months.  You know like co-workers, friends and family, as opposed to random internet peeps, and internet "journalists."  I doubt it ever occurred to anyone involved that this decision needed to be cleared ahead of time with the "interwebz."

    2)  Gamasutra chose to take things a step further, claiming that he's left in the "middle" of their latest games development.  If thier just in the middle now.....  Clearly more verbiage designed to drum up drama and get some clicks.

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYMember Posts: 3,677 Uncommon
    Have to agree with August. I think they're just trying to manufacture headlines. Why would he have advertised on the Internet months ago if he was planning on leaving?

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  • onlinenow25onlinenow25 San Diego, CAMember Posts: 293 Uncommon
    If you notice he has no other job.  As far as information provided by himself he does not have another job, and you usually don't quit your job if you don't have something lined up.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAMember Posts: 14,247 Rare
    Originally posted by onlinenow25
    "When Gamasutra reached out to Destiny publisher Activision for comment on the departure, a representative for the company said it had no comment beyond what was written in the blog post."   This tells me that there was a pretty serious dispute, wonder how long it had been going on for. 

    Actually, that's the normal response you, as press or other outsider, should get from anyone in a company when someone leaves.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember Posts: 13,505 Legendary
    Originally posted by onlinenow25
    If you notice he has no other job.  As far as information provided by himself he does not have another job, and you usually don't quit your job if you don't have something lined up.

    Yep - however at that high a level sometimes people just get fed up and quit, but it is highly unlikely.

    He obviously got *nudged* out of the company, I am sure at the same time he probably wasnt thrilled to be working there anymore if the environment was that toxic for him.

     

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebMember Posts: 5,444 Rare
    This is never good news



  • morbuskabismorbuskabis RodonMember Posts: 290
    Well maybe we find him on Star Citizen again, since they'r working on ground combat FPS =)

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  • NodboNNodboN glen burnie, MDMember Posts: 50 Uncommon
    i hope it wasn't over destiny, i dont know what his vision was for the game, but if he wanted some kinda hardcore aspect and the company said to dumb it down for young or casual players. that would suck, that also means he lost and left. so lets watch for a change in the game maybe
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgMember Posts: 5,744 Epic

    Doubtful if this would have much of an impact on Destiny.

    Staten was Design Director, and the design phase must be a distant memory by now. The game will probably launch in 6 months' time, it's far too late to make serious design changes at this point.

     

    Some people do take time off from careers for various reasons. If he feels that Destiny will be a success, then he can probably take a few months break, after which he could pick-and-choose his next position.

  • onlinenow25onlinenow25 San Diego, CAMember Posts: 293 Uncommon
    Originally posted by NodboN
    i hope it wasn't over destiny, i dont know what his vision was for the game, but if he wanted some kinda hardcore aspect and the company said to dumb it down for young or casual players. that would suck, that also means he lost and left. so lets watch for a change in the game maybe

    If anything from learning that the publisher was Activision from this article to me it would be a shock if it didn't have to do with how they wanted to monetize the game, and or pullback on development costs on things like a totally seamless world.  Doing this like Borderlands where you can join an open game or create your own game loby, not an actual real persistent world.

  • DatastarDatastar Austin, TXMember Posts: 244 Uncommon
    Pretty standard stuff....company wants to nickel and dime customers with this title game developer gets pissed...game developer washes his hands with the company and loses out on all the hard work put forth.  That's what I guess probably happened.
  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebMember Posts: 5,444 Rare
    Originally posted by Datastar
    Pretty standard stuff....company wants to nickel and dime customers with this title game developer gets pissed...game developer washes his hands with the company and loses out on all the hard work put forth.  That's what I guess probably happened.

    Most likely.

    Other than that its also known to happen when board of investors want to change gameplay to be more "casual - bulshit" forcing designer to butcher his project ,

    he can no longer stand behing the project without compromising himself , so he leaves.



  • kylverkylver c, KYMember Posts: 1,344 Uncommon
    Originally posted by onlinenow25
    If you notice he has no other job.  As far as information provided by himself he does not have another job, and you usually don't quit your job if you don't have something lined up.

    You can "line-up" stock options quite easily, if you have them. 

  • ZeGermanZeGerman Andover, MAMember Posts: 209 Uncommon
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by onlinenow25
    If you notice he has no other job.  As far as information provided by himself he does not have another job, and you usually don't quit your job if you don't have something lined up.

    Yep - however at that high a level sometimes people just get fed up and quit, but it is highly unlikely.

    He obviously got *nudged* out of the company, I am sure at the same time he probably wasnt thrilled to be working there anymore if the environment was that toxic for him.

     

    Engineers and high level designers make enough money that they often leave companies with no intention of working for a couple of months so nothing unusual about that, in fact it is more often then not the norm.  There is also no reason to believe he got nudged it is a lot of stressful work to bring a game this big to market and if management was directing the final stages of the game in a direction he disagreed with then he may have been un willing or unable to emotionally invest in what it would take to get the final part out the door.

  • JorendoJorendo EdeMember Posts: 272 Uncommon
    All i can think of is that he got way to limited by Activision who is known for taking the fun out of game development. Statement of Boby Koytic himself (big boss at Activision) that he wanted to remove the fun out of game making. Many game developers have left Activision cause they where fed up with his behavior towards developers.
  • psiicpsiic Tampa, FLMember Posts: 1,463 Uncommon
    Originally posted by morbuskabis
    Well maybe we find him on Star Citizen again, since they'r working on ground combat FPS =)

     

    EXACTLY what I think. 

     

    Considering Star Citizen just hit 20 million, maybe they were finally able to offer him the contract he was asking for.

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