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Fun to try, not worth a sub, weak game overall

VoqarVoqar Phoenix, AZPosts: 498Member

TLDR: Was fun and ok to check out; not worth a sub - not even close; overall it's a weak post WoW clone with very weak content overall; not that anyone cares but I'm done; and I hope that you can find fun in this game that I just didn't see happening.

Let's summarize the FFXIV experience:

- weak story quest(s)  (main and class)
- weak amount of other quests (that are all generic/simplistic/boring)
- battlecraft leves/hests are ultra boring
- fate grinding is the weakest/lamest content to ever exist in MMORPGs (no challenge, no danger, pure zerg (except for the very rare 1 offs that do a variety of KO attacks))
- hunting log is a neato idea but is mostly just another xp welfare giveaway
- instance bosses rock but instances are packed with tedious trash that diminish the dungeon experience
- gathering is mindless and tedious to the max - let's run in a circle tapping nodes for hours, shall we?  this is compelling (the mechanics of gathering are actually cool - it's just the insane repetition that sucks)
- crafting system is cool enough but leveling crafting is monotonous tedium
- mobs don't drop loot (other than crafting junk) - all loot is thoroughly generic
- the list of quality of life problems (weakly implemented or lacking features common to most good MMORPGs) is huge (horrible bank interface, horrible inventory interface, no stats tooltip compare, no gear preview, no wardrobe/appearance control - those kinds of things that have been well documented)
- too much zoning/loading, small weak zones with zero exploration value

- too many loading screends for cutscenes

- not a seamless world in any way
- influence of outdated consoles impacts what should be a premium PC game too much
- horrible launch
- continued tech problems and an engine that can't handle the content (go do odin, for ex, svala)
- plague of gil spammers coupled with guilds selling content to losers (who probably buy gil to pay to have the game played for them)

- I despise the 2.5s GCD (more of a personal pref thing than a true problem, I guess)

 

Endgame consists of:
- grind out relic weapon - some marginally interesting encounters you'll do once (unless you stick around to alt and repeat)
- grinding/exploiting/speed running CM, which is one of the most feeble and lame excuses for a "raid" ever created (which is why people do it and not other content - easy tombstones).  Boring.  Waste of time.  If this is your idea of good gaming...wow.
- grinding/speed running AK, which is miserable due to excessive amounts of boring trash mobs - but hey, at least it drops some gear!

- grind ifrit into dust to get your weapon you'll use for a few hours before you finish relic
- maybe, once in a great while, doing any of the other endgamish content even though they're not efficient - and that's all that really matters, isn't it?  Being efficient, taking the easiest road to the fastest gear - must get yours - must win the race.

 

So basically - this is your idea of a good game.  Blast thru leveling as fast as humanly possible via fate grinding - which takes zero effort and is boring as possible.  This game all but discourages grouping and channels you towards 50 asap - yes, you must group for some instances for story...but duty finder discourages you actually meeting or grouping with people on YOUR server.  Get to endgame and grind the same 2 pieces of content (CM/AK) - which are themselves boring to begin with and after dozens of times thru are beyond boring - and then you have the occasional single boss encounters that you usually grind too, making them equally unpleasant.  This...this is a good and fun gaming experience?

 

For some, maybe good, for me, no.  I expect grind at endgame - that's what endgame is about - but I just don't see the fun here - there's very little variety in content and it's all just basically a race to build a gear set - a race that's far too easily won (if you're willing to endure monumental boredom and tedium).  Content is too simplistic, too repetitive, too boring.  Even leveling alt classes is boring since the only real way to level is...to grind yet more fates.  Kind of a shame since the class/cross class system is kind of a cool idea.  I LOVE some of the boss fights in this game - most are very well done - but it's buried in the overwhelming suck of the rest of the game.

 

The only real "old school" aspect of FFXIV is that it's filled with monumental time sinks that aren't very fun.

 

Look around.  How many people have relics with ease, full DL with ease, or are close - ie, they're about done with the game outside of that ONE real raid.  And we're not even paying a sub yet.  2.1 (sometime this year) will bring some more content but the way this game is structured, people ONLY do the easiest content with the biggest payout.  No lockouts and endless repition mean that there's no reason to do any other content than what is most efficient for the race.

 

I would even say most players suck.  It's not their fault.  They are basically good people.  Many have a lot of MMORPG experience.  But MMORPG design for the past several years has encouraged selfishness, solo, and me, me, me, such that even within a guild most people have no patience, won't wait for crafters, won't wait for others to group and just queue solo instead, and are so preoccupied with the race that nothing else really matters.  I don't know how many times my guildies have already described everything they do during endgame as boring - yet they keep doing it.  Not me...I'm not wasting any more time on this!

 

On a comedic side note, it amuses me that CM looks like something more out of SWTOR than anything remotely fantasy.  It's somewhat appropriate.  Because I think this game is going to follow the SWTOR pattern (hyped/big release, early player exodus) just even faster because the game plays faster and has even less stuff to do and lower quality stuff to do.  I'm not a SWTOR fanboy and, lke many, only played it a few months but objectively, if you compare the two games side by side, SWTOR is superior in every way to FFXIV - better content, better leveling, better class designs, better PvP at launch (only because it HAD PvP at launch), better dungeons, better raids, better drops, better player econ, better crafting system (not as involved but at least you could make something that wasn't generic), less wonkily implemented crappy features (AH in SWTOR is amongst the worst but retainer system in FFXIV outdoes it for suck but at least some ultra basics like item tooltip comparisons where there!).  Remember, people loved SWTOR at first too - then they turned on it like a freshly bitten zombie during zombie apocalypse.

 

Other side note:  sure, there are SOME people who are casual, some who don't play that much, some who are lost like deer in the headlights, and who aren't crushing the game like an exercise.  I actually have no desire to play that way but there isn't much else to this game unless you kind of just stand around.  I took my time leveling.  But, MMORPGs have never really been about casual, and when you look at the bulk of people playing this game, it's all about ME > NOW > VAPORIZE THE EASY > THROW TANTRUM IF ANYTHING HINDERS THE PROCESS.  This just doesn't work for me - I find it to be very low quality gaming.  The designer himself says endgame is the real game - and it shows since the leveling is very bland and generic - however, the endgame has even less to do and is pretty damn bland and generic too.  So when does the real game finally show up?  2.1? 

 

PS - I'm sad.  I love MMORPGs and the design trends in MMORPGs kind of make me want to vomit.  F2P is horrible.  The endless catering to soloists is killing the genre (or mutating it into something very different from what it was originally - and I prefer the original style featuring challenge, grouping, community, longevity).  TESO and EQN look to continue this.  WildStar has CREDD (facilitated cheating).  There's just nothing else on the horizon that isn't dookie by default.

 

Anyways, cheers!

 

May you find some fun in this game that I'm just not seeing or that just doesn't suit me!

 

PS - I usually find these kinds of posts to be stupid but here, I find myself making one.  I think it's because I'm mostly just sad.  I had high hopes for a game made by the company that made FFXI.  That maybe it might be somewhat old school and have some challenge and focus on grouping that lead to strong community.  But it's just more of the same post WoW clone garbage while being even more stripped and dumbed down.

 

No, you can't have my stuff.  But thanks for asking.

 

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Comments

  • rykim86rykim86 winnipeg, MBPosts: 236Member

    You are correct that it is a stupid post.  Not for the content, but how you presented it.

    Review sub forum exists for a reason.

  • thunderCthunderC miami flPosts: 472Member Uncommon
    One of the worst reviews i have ever had the displeasure of reading on this site.....
  • muthaxmuthax mondaPosts: 593Member Uncommon
    Why did you bother writing this text wall rant?? How long did it take you???
  • SkymourneSkymourne Ruston, LAPosts: 366Member Uncommon
    He just got the same reception for the exact same post on the official forums.  Guess he really wants to be heard.
  • Aldous.HuxleyAldous.Huxley Monticello, MNPosts: 418Member

    Poor grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, spelling & the bulk of the review is not an actual review. Terrible, just terrible. OP, please refrain from this type of activity in the future.

     

    This review scores 1.6/10 

  • CaptainSoapCaptainSoap somewhere, NCPosts: 138Member Uncommon
    i agree with OP
  • jackwu10jackwu10 JHBPosts: 127Member

    the master has spoken. 

    we all need to stop playing this game in the name of...Voqar!

  • ChrisboxChrisbox Monroe, NJPosts: 1,707Member Uncommon
    I just obtained an extra chromosome.  

    Played-Everything
    Playing-FFXIV:ARR

  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ columbus, OHPosts: 539Member Uncommon

    Some doesn't like what I like!? ! How DARE he!? Tear him to shreds! Discredit his opinions based on grammar and punctuation errors!

  • IridescentOrkIridescentOrk Ellicott City, MDPosts: 157Member
    spot on

    gameplay > graphics

  • Aldous.HuxleyAldous.Huxley Monticello, MNPosts: 418Member
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

    Some doesn't like what I like!? ! How DARE he!? Tear him to shreds! Discredit his opinions based on grammar and punctuation errors!

    If you're going to write a review intended to be taken seriously, I would suggest all of the above should be taken into consideration. Especially when writing a critical review. Or should the critical not be criticized themselves?

  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ columbus, OHPosts: 539Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

    Some doesn't like what I like!? ! How DARE he!? Tear him to shreds! Discredit his opinions based on grammar and punctuation errors!

    If you're going to write a review intended to be taken seriously, I would suggest all of the above should be taken into consideration. Especially when writing a critical review. Or should the critical not be criticized themselves?

    It's a forum user sharing their opinions. Not someone on some well known site who writes reviews for a career. I understood everything just fine, and the only issue I had in terms of grammar was using "thru" rather than typing it out correctly as "through" (and perhaps where he said SWTOR was objectively better). Unless people are upset about the OP's use of a "bullet point" system, then I'm missing what the big fuss is (aside from not posting it in the review section). Even if you do find issue with the way the review is presented, I'd wager that even if it was better presented, people would still leave rude one liners due to them not being able to handle that some people just don't like the same stuff.

  • HyanmenHyanmen KolkkalaPosts: 5,354Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Some doesn't like what I like!? ! How DARE he!? Tear him to shreds! Discredit his opinions based on grammar and punctuation errors!

    If you're going to write a review intended to be taken seriously, I would suggest all of the above should be taken into consideration. Especially when writing a critical review. Or should the critical not be criticized themselves?

    It's a forum user sharing their opinions. Not someone on some well known site who writes reviews for a career. I understood everything just fine, and the only issue I had in terms of grammar was using "thru" rather than typing it out correctly as "through" (and perhaps where he said SWTOR was objectively better). Unless people are upset about the OP's use of a "bullet point" system, then I'm missing what the big fuss is (aside from not posting it in the review section). Even if you do find issue with the way the review is presented, I'd wager that even if it was better presented, people would still leave rude one liners due to them not being able to handle that some people just don't like the same stuff.

     

    Sounds like you hate the game. We shouldn't need to hide the obvious.
    Anyway, this doesn't read like an opinion piece. The writer tries to make his post come off as how the game truly is, not his subjective view of how the game is. People will take issue with such presentation. People will take issue with people taking issue with such presentation (hey thats you!)

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Algo Star SystemPosts: 651Member Uncommon

    The OP has true points, but there is so much fecal matter packed around the points it reads like an angry whiner who hates the game so much and is more upset that other people are enjoying it.

     

    I actually like FFXIV ARR but I agree that as it stands, I can't see myself subscribing before getting a good look at what's coming up next.

     

    I agree about the bad story execution, the grind, and the launch issues but boy was this post some angry nerd rage.  How about just not subscribing and letting whatever happens happen?

     

    I don't care if a developer literally takes WoW and just changes the name & some colors... Anybody who says "WoW Clone" after this point is a d-bag to me.

  • Aldous.HuxleyAldous.Huxley Monticello, MNPosts: 418Member
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

    Some doesn't like what I like!? ! How DARE he!? Tear him to shreds! Discredit his opinions based on grammar and punctuation errors!

    If you're going to write a review intended to be taken seriously, I would suggest all of the above should be taken into consideration. Especially when writing a critical review. Or should the critical not be criticized themselves?

    It's a forum user sharing their opinions. Not someone on some well known site who writes reviews for a career. I understood everything just fine, and the only issue I had in terms of grammar was using "thru" rather than typing it out correctly as "through". Unless people are upset about the OP's use of a "bullet point" system, then I'm missing what the big fuss is (aside from not posting it in the review section). Even if you do find issue with the way the review is presented, I'd wager that even if it was better presented, people would still leave rude one liners due to them not being able to handle that some people just don't like the same stuff.

    I'm just a forum user sharing my opinion. Stop criticizing me simply because you don't agree with me.

  • squalleonahasqualleonaha miss, ONPosts: 211Member
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley

    Poor grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, spelling & the bulk of the review is not an actual review. Terrible, just terrible. OP, please refrain from this type of activity in the future.

     

    This review scores 1.6/10 

    OP sharing his opinion about the game and you bite him with  ^. worst kind of people

    you're either a dude from third-world country trying to be a smart ass or a tress out maniac. as far as i know, in NA,we are respect and dont criticize people on their typing over the internet. we are not in school or getting pay for being superior than the OP. just get the F off if you dont want to see people bad mouth your precious game.

     

     

     

  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ columbus, OHPosts: 539Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hyanmen
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

    Some doesn't like what I like!? ! How DARE he!? Tear him to shreds! Discredit his opinions based on grammar and punctuation errors!

    If you're going to write a review intended to be taken seriously, I would suggest all of the above should be taken into consideration. Especially when writing a critical review. Or should the critical not be criticized themselves?

    It's a forum user sharing their opinions. Not someone on some well known site who writes reviews for a career. I understood everything just fine, and the only issue I had in terms of grammar was using "thru" rather than typing it out correctly as "through" (and perhaps where he said SWTOR was objectively better). Unless people are upset about the OP's use of a "bullet point" system, then I'm missing what the big fuss is (aside from not posting it in the review section). Even if you do find issue with the way the review is presented, I'd wager that even if it was better presented, people would still leave rude one liners due to them not being able to handle that some people just don't like the same stuff.

     

    Sounds like you hate the game. We shouldn't need to hide the obvious. Anyway, this doesn't read like an opinion piece. The writer tries to make his post come off as how the game truly is, not his subjective view of how the game is. People will take issue with such presentation. People will take issue with people taking issue with such presentation (hey thats you!)

    I have 86 hours played (you can check my Raptr profile if needed). I like it just fine. I'm done for a bit, at least until 2.1 drops, but it's decent enough (if a bit samey-same). And while the OP did indeed come off a bit rude, I still maintain that people could make proper rebuttals rather than leave rude one-liners (which many would anyways even if his post was polite and perfectly formed). 

     

    Also, I would have said the same even for someone absolutely trashing a game I very much enjoy. Take Rift for example, currently it's my favorite MMORPG. If someone decided to make a post in the Rift forums, completely and utterly trashing it in every which way, and people left rude one liners, I'd have responded in the same way. People just can't handle others having different opinions. It's as simple as that.

     

    As far as being critical of the critical goes, being critical would be debunking things that were said, explaining your side of the argument, etc. Not leaving rude one liners, and blowing the whole thing off due to some grammar mistakes and rudeness. Or even better, you could just choose to ignore it, and not post at all if you truly thought it wasn't worth the time.

  • MahavishnuMahavishnu BerlinPosts: 336Member
    This thread sounds very reasonable, I would like to read an answer that tries to disprove his points, instead of just flaming him.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley

    Poor grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, spelling & the bulk of the review is not an actual review. Terrible, just terrible. OP, please refrain from this type of activity in the future.

     

    This review scores 1.6/10 

    I agree with your review of this guys review! 9/10 

    As for the OP, you get an A for effort however, I feel the complete opposite about the game ;) It's not for you.

    Might I suggest you try a "modern" take on the MMO genre? Try out GW 2 if FFXIV didn't fit your taste ;)

    How about another genre all together? Seeing as you'll find that you're going to hate almost every game for the exact same reason(s) within this genre.

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  • Mtibbs1989Mtibbs1989 Fredericksburg, VAPosts: 2,920Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mahavishnu
    This thread sounds very reasonable, I would like to read an answer that tries to disprove his points, instead of just flaming him.

    Give me a moment, I'll go and make my points against his ;)

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  • MahavishnuMahavishnu BerlinPosts: 336Member
    You were exactly the person I was thinking about - I was just too lazy to search for your thread where you post your weapon^^

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  • NBlitzNBlitz ZwollePosts: 1,904Member

    "PS - I usually find these kinds of posts to be stupid but here, I find myself making one.  I think it's because I'm mostly just sad."

    Expectation is a b...witch.

    You know how the genre is, you've seen/experienced other titles and yet here we are.

  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Long Island, NYPosts: 480Member Uncommon
    I don't think the OP likes MMOs.
  • darkrain21darkrain21 philadelphia, PAPosts: 274Member
    I respect your thoughts on this sir, not that i agree with any of them. I can tell you right now there hasnt been a single MMO to release with Substatial End Game content.  So that point to me is absolute 100% to soon. Other problem i have with your post is its titel "Fun to Try, not worth a sub, weak game overall" If your going to wrtie a review dont tell us that you hate it in the title cuz it just makes you seem like your coming off petty.
  • zevni78zevni78 grimsbyPosts: 1,133Member Uncommon

    There is a lot about this version of XIV that I like, enough to look past the weak points, which I think the OP focused a little too much on. However, it's his impression, and I can see the flaws he lists are all there, other fans can deny it, but he's mostly right about gathering, fates, zoning, endgame, etc. I think XIV 2.0 has a lot of potential and will be re-subbing every few months to try the new stuff Yoshi and Co comes up with. 

     

    I think this review was fare for a subjective impression, the counters to the points would often have to be either subjective or citing things that would lie outside the OPs experience, including content updates that may fix some of the issues.

     

    I notice that none of the critics of this review have actually addressed let alone debunked any of it's main points.

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