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Have you ever read Machiavelli?
Because "who cares what route they take to get there, as long as they punish [x]" is the very definition of Machiavellian.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I think you are confusing people realizing their words and actions have consequences with a fairy tale (not a fairy with a tail).
Those who think they can say whatever they want and be mean to whoever they wish are the ass hats. The crack down on such stuff is only going to increase as the years go on.
SOE isn't spying on anyone, they're saying if you publicly do stuff then you can get banned. Don't be stupid and be an asshole in public if you don't want to be punished for doing so. Pretty easy to have this never affect you in any way, shape, or form.
You show your true colors when you use the fact that calling people or things retarded isn't a problem to begin with. Words don't bother me, and trolls don't affect me. But at the same time it is great to see them targeted and taken care of. They fully deserve anything that comes their way.
And to say you don't know how anyone can be cyber bullied, it doesn't stay only in the online realm. It travels to the real world as well from stuff that happened on the internet. So maybe you could ask the families of those who have killed themselves over the never ending harassment they got from some major trolls who ruined a person's life just to get their jollies.
Reguardless if SOE is right or wrong in this matter I can not for the life of me be purported to side with them by any means...
That said I have always advocated for non lenience for game breakers weather it be exploit or script or hack...
BUT when it comes to speaking ones mind weather it be objectionable language or an actionable portrayal of dissidence I am all for it. That is what parental controls and the ignore lists are for.
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: using clever lies and tricks in order to get or achieve something : clever and dishonest
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You are trying to take books and quotes that intelligent people reference, but you are twisting them completely.
Trolling, griefing, harassing, is already against every online game's rules. They are just saying if you do it publicly in social media you could be punished as well.
Companies already fire for things said on social media. Towns and states are already creating cyber bullying laws which can get you arrested for your online actions.
None of this is new. And it isn't a totalitarian government regime either. It is a person being punished for doing something that is wrong.
Go ahead and say it is wrong to arrest a guy for murder because he talked about doing it on Twitter while you're at it. How dare they go outside the crime scene itself and catch the person in an online, unrelated, space for his crimes???? The horror of it all.
"The ends justify the means" is how Machivellian is most often abbreviated. Which is why I asked how many have read The Prince.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I can understand how the premise can apply to this situation, but it is not the "Very definition" of Machivellian.
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See this is a misnomer of grand proportions here.
Look at it as math If you multiply a negative by a negstive you get a positive number!
I mean really here try it on you phone...
So doing a bad thing to a bad person can lead to ...good or a machiavellian justification
No, I'm really not.
But you've already labeled me as the Enemy, so you (probably others) stopped listening several posts ago. So signing back out again, good luck with the ACLU, SOE.Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Ya, but I agree with this in a sense. When I first started MMOs I was about 10 or 11, and I was a prick. I'd use completely profane language, I'd insult people and get into stupid arguments, it was a terrible thing, I should have been banned.
That kind of behaviour should result in punishment, and ultimately weed out the pre-pubescent children, griefers and a-holes from the games. This is a large part of the decline of the MMO industry as well.
I'd say kudos to you SOE, but I'm just not sure to what extent these manhunts will go, and whether or not these companies will access my personal profiles. Jokes can be misinterpreted, exaggerated anger for certain situations could be misread and so forth.
We'll have to see how their formula works with the community.
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ACLU has nothing to do or say in this.
As I've said many times in this thread; in the USA a business has the right to refuse service to a person at anytime for any reason that isn't covered by discrimination laws (gender and race are examples). Just as a casino can ask you to leave at anytime, an online game can refuse to let you play at any time.
You don't have a right to play whatever you want, but a business DOES have the right to refuse letting you play.
You really should research things before declaring police states and civil liberty violations.
no a fairy tail..... The world i tough. Hiding behind a closed door will not change it. My true colors? Are simple i am a guy we talk about alot of crude and rude things and are mean to each other at times. Its what evolution as preset us to be.
Hence, male bonding. It is not my fault or problem that parents did not encourage their children to interact with others. I personally believe that its a persons responsibility to walk away if they dont like the convo. Its what we do in the real world.
Everyone has been bullied. Unless someone is getting beaten or physically hurt. Its something they need to overcome. Making laws that demand people be polite will just give us a culture of sneaky, unresponsive drones.
And if a troll on a internet forum can ruin someone life..... They have bigger issues then any law or policy can fix....,
Again if someones life is threatened or they are beat up in real life its a different story....
Moral is based on the reach of your actions. You can only swing your fist until it hits another person.
Having this 'freedom of speech' is a bullshit excuse to incorrectly, and ignorantly offend and annoy people. If what you say affects you and only you, then you have the freedom to do what you want, when you want. But when it comes to affecting other people, you can't say negative things, that's where the freedom ends.
It's a poor excuse to use the 'freedom of speech' BS.
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So, even though a girl just jumped off of a building due to cyber-bullying a few days ago, we should do nothing about it?
I strongly disagree.
Bullying is bullying, no matter the environment.
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No, not really, most of us are decent people who want to see others behave themselves. The internet has proven that too much freedom actually can be a bad thing, or it all goes back to the concept of why we can't have nice things.
People just can't seem to control themselves, the story about the invisible man is a great telling of what happens to humans who are anonymous.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
He was talking about power, and the use of power. As in it may be necessary to use violence in order to build a state, and it may be necessary to use violence to maintain a state. The ends; a flourishing state, justifies the means; violence. I may have misused the semicolons there.
So SOE's approach is the same general idea. The ends; a pleasant gaming environment, justifies the means; tying player behavior outside of the games with their access to the games themselves. You could even say that SOE is building a virtual state, which they govern in a totalitarian manner, and their methods are the equivalent of violently removing or exterminating those that do not fit in with their definition of acceptable citizens.
I've never read The Prince, but other people have, and they are probably better at summarizing it than I am, so I read their stuff.
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I also slept at a Holiday Inn a few times. And good grief, what did the editor do to that post up there?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I dont know the story behind the girl but her parents should have disconnected her internet if it was distressing her to the point of jumping off a building.
Bullying happens every day in every facet of life, its human nature. Bosses bully employees, law enforcement bullies civilians, hell fat people bully you out of the way in the supermarket isles.
And I think anyone who wishes to dissuade themselves of the realities of life is in a fairy tail world.
As I have said before, you can be fired from a job if you do something that is illegal "outside of work". There is precedent for it.
It's my guess that harassing someone on Twitter or threatening someone's life on facebook constitutes as "illegal".
So I wouldn't automatically say that any lawsuit by a player over something like this will be an automatic win.
additionally I would be very surprised if a player actually put forth a lawsuit as it costs money to such a thing. If the player loses they will be responsible for those costs which could be hefty.
Over a video game that costs 60 dollars plus time and additional costs. Almost seems "more" worth it to get another account under another name.
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The greatest evil is that good men do nothing....
So you're saying, because it happens, we should do nothing to disuade it? I am very glad I am not living in your world.
say her parents did disconnect her internet, how would that protect her outside of her home? Because she is bullied, she can no longer do her online homework?
I don't understand your stance, and I believe I am done trying to. Good day sir.
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The internet is not some private thing, where *you* get to pick and choose what others read. *You* put it out there for everyone with a computer to read at their leisure. Maybe, just maybe, the time of an internet without consequences is going away. Maybe, just maybe, we start acting like human beings again. Perchance to dream...
What is truly sad is that this kind of action even needs to be implemented in the first place as enough human beings have shown time and time again that we are incapable of policing our own individual selves.
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LOL! Not quite.
It's no different than a restaurant or bar throwing out a rowdy drunk. Doesn't matter that they already took your money. If you're an abusive asshole, they have the right to bounce you out on your ass.
Im saying I dont no what happened to this girl. Yes its a sad story, A young person kills themselves. If they dissconnected her net she wouldnt be cyber bullied...
How does homework pertain to social sites? And as for your quote "The greatest evil is that good men do nothing" By that definition all people on this planet are evil since we do nothing to cure suffering or pain of the third world and of our homeless.
But then again I was talking about forum trolls and you great thespians took it to the extreme in playing out the conversation that was displayed only in your minds.
This entire thread is about people's views on whether or not it is ok for them to do this which directly goes with people's view of life. So no, just because all of your points have been shot down by numerous people and your true colors have come out, I have not gone off topic.
I am plenty awake and aware of the laws and rules out there. You are the one who is not. It has nothing to do with aggression either, since we're on the topic of going off topic.
There is nothing flustered in any of my posts. [mod edit]
You clearly didn't pay attention in class.
The First Amendment applies to GOVERNMENT restriction of certain rights. It's why the first few words of the darn thing are "Congress shall make no law". SOE is a private company. Try again.