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Just one more nail in SOEs coffin
I was already thinking of never buying an SOE product again, now I'm sure of it
I think it's a bad idea
What will be a problem is people don't really understand the word Troll and what it means. It isn't in a dictionary far as I'm aware, if so it's likely relate to a fantasy race.
Players could be giving their own opinion and forum mods or admins could just ban or send out a warning for trolling just because they don't agree with the person's opinion. Happens a lot in all forums and games, the ipeople can be banned and the wrong people with the authority to do it.
The worry about policing the social media is like those who worry about the police. If you are a regular person you love the police, if you are a criminal or law breaker you hate the police. The same goes here for people's attitudes about SOE's statement of policing.
I don't understand people's problems with enforced social ettiquette. If you came into my home and said some thing I felt where out of line, you'd be dealt with in an appropriate manner. If I heard you saying some things out in public that demonstrated a behavior I would not want to be associated with, you would not be allowed in my home.
SOE is only doing what I would do.
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only one problem here how do they know its the same person? and what will they do if they find out the person they banned wus innocent? doubt tht person wuld return
they cant go to lets say fb n demand 2 c th ip nr of an account not w/o a court order mebbe theyre goona try sway th courts to give them tht order by lookin sad?or r they gonna demand tht yu give them access to all yur email/social community site accounts`b4 ur allowed to play?but im sure th competiton is happy wen they drive theyr own customers away:)
But it is in their interest and you already said why, bad behaviors breed bad communities. Banning a few guys is always better than having dozens or hundreds quit due to a bad community. I think there's been enough proof over the years that a few bad people can cause lots of problems. Being a little too generous with the bans might not be the worst thing ever.
I will never take pity on someone who gets banned for mouthing off or being stupid. If someone wants to go on Twitter and insult/attack developers and then show up somewhere like MMORPG.com complaining about how he was "banned for no reason" after it catches up with him, I will be here with popcorn ready to enjoy the show.
Oh yes, of course, there will be some rare cases where the guy is too stupid. And I also cited the example of the terrorist threats found in Europe after Twitter gave them the coordinates of the offender. But I seriously doubt it will go that far except indeed for death threats. If one does just call a developer "an idiot" or something like that on twitter, nothing will happen. Also remind a thing... bad behaviors indeed breed bad communities, and a few rotten apples can do a lot of damage, but developers are also commercial companies willing to earn money from their customers, so it's not in their own interest to randomly ban people for minor stuff.
But it is in their interest and you already said why, bad behaviors breed bad communities. Banning a few guys is always better than having dozens or hundreds quit due to a bad community. I think there's been enough proof over the years that a few bad people can cause lots of problems. Being a little too generous with the bans might not be the worst thing ever.
I will never take pity on someone who gets banned for mouthing off or being stupid. If someone wants to go on Twitter and insult/attack developers and then show up somewhere like MMORPG.com complaining about how he was "banned for no reason" after it catches up with him, I will be here with popcorn ready to enjoy the show.
This jives with my personal experiences. I've never seen anyone get banned from a game where further research didn't reveal that they did something really, really stupid. Sony's stance just adds another layer of behavior checks.
The response from the players will be the sanity check. If they are too ban happy, people will think twice about playing an SOE game. If they ban people for simply highlighting issues or problems with the game, people will think twice about playing an SOE game. So they will be as aggressive as the players want them to be.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume when they say "Act like an asshat on Twitter, we'll get you on EQN" probably covers the scope in which EQN and Twitter interact. Meaning you can probably troll Miley Cyrus on the twitter, and as long as she has nothing to do with EQN, you're probably straight.
Example being all the trash people do to devs on twitter. Don't like a buff/nerf, threaten a dev, or CSR. Now they ban you from their came for being volatile.
Lately "The Law" has been taking online threats a bit more seriously than before, even the sarcastic ones. So SOE/EQN is probably doing you a favor by smacking your hand for being bad, rather than turning you over to the local authorities. We all know you'll find another way to open a new account within 24 hours of getting banned.
I don't understand why people just can't be civil towards each other. Getting angry happens, I understand, but what happens online these days is ludicrous.
Also last time I checked Oral contracts are binding in Texas, by their supreme court no less. I wouldn't doubt other states have a deal like these.
"I'm not against the police; I'm just afraid of them."--Alfred Hitchcock, neither criminal nor law breaker.
The culture he grew up opposing had the lowest crime rate in recorded history. And tan shirts. Which might be related to the quote.
Anyhoo...seeing politics ahead, turning sharply south....
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I doubt any of the people posting here would want to live in a country without any law enforcement... anarchy sounds like total freedom on the paper (many actually confuse freedom and anarchy), but at the end it's only freedom for those at the top of the food chain. See "Mad Max".
My computer is better than yours.
This.
In my younger days, I saw this very thing: A place where there was practically no government regulation, taxes, law enforcement, no governmental interference in business, trade, or education.
It's called Afghanistan, and you don't want it.
Many Americans and other Westerners don't know how good they have it, when they bitch about all this stuff.
Interesting that you were the first person to mention Anarchy (in any capacity).
Distrust of police states = support Anarchy...?? ok then.
(Glad to be out of this conversation early)
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
They will be tracking everyone not just the ass hats. All the info you give then can and will be used to look for a problem rather then dealing with extreme situations.
Why, can you not refrain from harassing people, do you have an inability to offer constructive feedback, in proper context and/or proper protocol (not spamming a forum with it) rather than nerd-raging? There are plenty of things to hate SOE for, especially if you played SWG.. Yet I can't see how this is such a bad thing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
He is stating a fact SOE is seen as toxic to many, this just reassures people of the lack of confidence in this company...
There's that thing called balance. Countries can have an efficient police force without being a police state. As someone said, many people don't know how good they have it in their home country.
But whatever, this is beyond the debate, it was just to illustrate the necessity of moderators also in virtual worlds.
My computer is better than yours.
Just thought I'd point out that this was post #95 in this thread. Doesn't seem to be getting out of it all early.
And I think most people can agree that anyone who is afraid of this change is someone who likes to troll or grief in some form and doesn't like that it might catch up with them.
Perspective is a plane easily missed, even by the brightest.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Only post #2 from my pov.
And wow, talk about a leap of faith. Non-sequiturs on all sides.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
There's no leap of faith if you're talking about not being afraid of this change.
There are already cyber bullying laws popping up at the state level around the U.S. How you act online is quickly coming with repercussions. It isn't like SOE is saying they're partnering with the NSA to get access to your e-mails. They are saying if you cause problems in their games, on their forums, or online in anyway that connects back to you and their games, you will be removed from their products.
Every other MMO already says that if you do something bad in their games or on their forums you will be removed from their products. They simply added the social media aspect, which I am sure many companies already follow and just don't make a point of saying it, or will follow soon.
I'm not surprised trolls are worried about this. They'd have to actually act in a responsible adult manner for a change and they've grown up without the knowledge of how to do so.
I whole heartedly agree with SOE on this and I despise them as a company. I support any other company that cracks down on internet asshats as well.
There, could have saved yourself tons of writing.
The ends always justify the means.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Personally I dont see how anyone can be so called cyber bullied. Its easy to just log off the net... or close a webpage and move on... But back to SOE, I think they are making a huge mistake by looking for a problem... If someone sends death threats ok I get it or if they beat up someone in real life ok. But for a guy saying someone sucks or their guild is retarded...
LOL, its to much... To be honest I find most people who have fairy tail dreams of a world were everyone prances around in pink daisy dukes and holds hand to be ass hats.
Why do people always bring up free speech in these types of topics. You can't really be ignorant enough to think everyone has that right or that it really applies to the internet.
As for sony, good for them for figuring out that just because someone loads into your game doesn't mean they are someone you want there. Internet communites have been going down hill fast and it's these people who think they have the right to say whatever they want to whoever they want because they have free speech! that need to go. If it takes a boot to the ass to get rid of them...then give them the boot.
Especially since what we're talking about is a game developer, who's reach ends at the ability to stop people from playing their games.
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