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The Dark Below - Speculation Thread

BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

Finding out Reaper of Souls is like, 99% likely to be D3 expansion, which makes "The Dark Below" a good 80-99% likely to be next WoW expansion...

Makes me happy.

Let the speculation begin!

My guess is:

-You find out Garrosh was infected by the demonic blood of the Burning Legion like his father, his war mongering was meant to weaken Azeroth and divide the Horde, bring the Alliance vs. Horde war back to weaken the realm in preparation for invasion by the Legion

- no new classes

-level cap to 100

- number "crunch" - instead of 500k + health etc. etc. all the numbers are cut to 1/10th and all of 1-90 is re-balanced #'s wise to match. Smaller stat increases 90-100. So like 500k health at 90 becomes 50k, at 100 you are at maybe 55-60k

-players get really big buffs when entering old instanced content (raids/dungeons) so they can still be solo/ farmed for transmog gear etc.

-3 new races : ogres, Naga, some kind of bird-like race - ogres for the Horde, bird race for the Alliance, Naga able to choose which side to join (split faction)

-rework of every profession - much easier to level up to 600 (current cap) - then like "normal" 600-675 (new cap)

-bigger focus on public quests / open world events (not even going to use the "dynamic" buzz word) - like Azeroth is invaded by burning legion, go back to "new" versions of old zones (done w/ phasing) for main story line 90-100, mixed in with tons and tons of new public events / event chains - fighting invasion. Each patch new zones are opened up to events, others become "cleared" and no longer under attack. Also opens new dungeons/raids/BGs as usual.

-ANOTHER re-org of the talent tree system: at 15,30,45,60,75,90,100 you get to pick a special ability like it is now, but then they'll add an AA system you unlock at 95 and start putting points into to increase you stats (passive) with multiple tiers and paths like the old talent trees kind of... you earns points past the level cap of 100 of course, so you continue your progression far past hitting 100 before you "max out" your AA's. All classes share the same AA system, so you choose your path based on your class/spec and role... theme has to do with infusing yourself with power of the Light to fight the Legion, or Demonic power stolen from Legion to use their own power against them etc.

-most of new 90-100 in Azeroth, high level public quests (like new daily hubs) and some instances/raids actually in Twisted Nether (The Dark Below) bringing fight to the Legion's doorstep, killing off various sub-bosses and captains etc. with final patch of expansion cycle = invasion of Azeroth by Sargeras himself - culminating in him attacking the new World Tree trying to get to the Well of Eternity and unleash it's power, trying to finish what Archimonde could not do, you fight him to save Azeroth and finally destroy the burning Legion.

-some kind of alternative to the 1-90 leveling process- like a new alternative path to the current quest progression...  something to do with daily events and public quests and like weekly "missions" like - complete X public quests to fight the legion etc. 

-and the biggest crazy prediction - one new talent tree per class - all have to do with Burning Legion or the Holy Light from the Titans. Like, Hunters get a melee DPS tree called Demon Hunter, Warrior get a ranged DPS tree called Spell Breaker, Warlocks get a healing tree using dark magic to heal called Nethermancer, Priests get a tanking tree called Cleric, etc. 

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  • PpiperPpiper Horsham, PAPosts: 648Member Uncommon
    you should be a Dev. Great ideas.
  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member
    Originally posted by Ppiper
    you should be a Dev. Great ideas.

    You hear that Blizz?

    LOL thanks

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,532Member Uncommon

     

    I have learned that it is wise to not speculate to much, and especially to not build up to much hype from said speculations.

     

    TDB could be anything... heck it could be a Hearthstone expansion.

     

     

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    It's fun to throw wild guesses and speculations and hope for what we'd like to see.

    It is wise to not attach yourself to these speculations so if/when they are revealed to be untrue, you aren't hurt by it.

     

  • expressoexpresso mePosts: 2,183Member Uncommon

    I want one big feature – the removal of flying mounts;

    1.        Make it so only a few can get them – think legendary.

    2.       You hire them on a 1hour “flying” time basis from an NPC for quite a bit of gold (also helps remove gold from the ecom)

    3.       Remove them all together

    I can only see downsides with flying mounts;

    1.        Players skip over content

    2.       Zones feel empty cus payers are not passing through

    3.       Less World PvP

    4.       Blizzard cannot hide or hint at future content and mystery, think the greymane wall in vanilla or the AQ gates, we all wanted to know what was beyond at the time, right now anything like that players just fly over.

  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,228Member Uncommon

    Dynamic events / elite spawns will definitely make an appearance

    Number crunch - yes, but I'm also anticipating an ability crunch. More games keep using the limited hotbars, Blizz may or may not be interested in that for WoW.

    Talent/class rework - Blizz has done something for each expansion so far, so I imagine that they will continue. The question for me is, did they take notes on what worked and what didn't from Cata & MoP. They lost a lot of players, they have to be looking at their decisions closely (at least I hope they are). I like the "choose a major ability" talent system, I think it works really well in D3 where you can really customize your character via skill + rune choice. I hope they go that route and expand the skills to be more customizable. Or possibly add a new "stat" point tree or something like it to bring back some old school rpg flavor.

    3 new races? That sounds like a stretch for Blizzard considering the pace they release things at. Although, they did reallocate most of the titan team back to existing projects, so they could do something like this. Naga would be cool and has been asked for a lot, ogres I'm sure are low on their list and I dunno about birds (I know they have the BC bird thingys from M. Night Shamalamanadingdongs "The Village" so I it's not completely out of left field).

    Demon Hunter Class - Yes. This will happen. Dark below = demons and infernals. Death Knight was DPS/Tank, Monk was DPS/Tank/Heals, Demon Hunter will be Caster/Melee DPS! Battlemage time! It will be sooo popular and I won't care, I will roll one so hard.

    Level cap 100 - I hope so, they've been going by 5 lately, but maybe they really want to impress and will go big or go home.

    Subterranean zones - If I know anything about Blizzard is that they are amazing at stealing other people's thunder. I am fully expecting subterranean levels in various parts of the world, not separated by instance portals, and if they're feeling extra ballsy, they will add a few zones with destructible environment! It's called The Dark Below, and I imagine that we'll be able to travel below. Tier 1 = 90-95 and Tier 2 = 95-100, would make sense and really wouldn't put it past Blizzard to do this just to troll SOE.

    World events will be a thing. Like GW2 Living Story and EQN's Living Stor . . . Er, I mean Rallying Call.

    Role rework - Possibly a softening of the trinity, we've seen Health pools get closer and tank damage increase - are we going to see any attempt at "action combat"? Not sure if this is even possible with their existing engine at this point, but stuff like blink exists so I don't see why they could create a tumble animation and call it "dodge roll" and give it a shorter distance. Unlikely, but stranger things . . .

    I also think they're going to re-assess dailies - I know they got a lot of feedback on what people felt were an excessive amount of dailies, and perhaps find a more open alternative to faction rep and gating items. Kind of like GW2 which grants you laurels for completing 5 daily tasks of your choosing instead of having to do the same ones in the same area all the time.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon

    One thing I seriously doubt is Blizzard making a 100% underground expansion for WoW.

    It failed with Moria in LOTRO (a majority of players just hated the place and being stuck underground for like 10 levels).

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    One thing I seriously doubt is Blizzard making a 100% underground expansion for WoW.

    It failed with Moria in LOTRO (a majority of players just hated the place and being stuck underground for like 10 levels).

    Yep, Blizz has said many times that Vash'jir (underwater zone in Cata was cool) but they'd never do it again (as players hated it more often then not).

    I foresee more so that maybe raise the ancient Naga kingdom from the sea (new zones) and the Nerubians will rise from the depths of the world to attack the overworld - with us only going underground sometimes-

    Or the whole thing will be burning legion which means portals and hellfire raining from above.

    It's probably more likely we'll get Old Kingdom / Gods and Naga/Nerubians this expansion, maybe also some Emerald Dream here and there, then Burning Legion and final defeat of Sargeras in the one after this - which will probably be the final major WoW expansion.

    I hope not though, I hope Burning Legion and everything I mention would be this time around. 

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

    http://wowpedia.org/Dark_Below

    The only known mention of the Dark Below in official Warcraft canon sources is in the title of the boss http://wowpedia.org/Ozumat

     

    <span npclink"="">Ra-den in Throne of Thunder is telling the players when defeated about some kind of darkness beneath us. The quote: "But there is a yawning chasm of darkness beneath you mortals, vast, endless, and all consuming."

  • expressoexpresso mePosts: 2,183Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    One thing I seriously doubt is Blizzard making a 100% underground expansion for WoW.

    It failed with Moria in LOTRO (a majority of players just hated the place and being stuck underground for like 10 levels).

    Blizzard orginally planned for a whole underground sequence of zone in Wrath, looks like SOE copied blizzard :p

    It was talked about at blizzcon prior to wraths released, they scraped the idea and jsut made some dungeons.

     

     

  • TheHavokTheHavok San Jose, CAPosts: 2,398Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by expresso
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    One thing I seriously doubt is Blizzard making a 100% underground expansion for WoW.

    It failed with Moria in LOTRO (a majority of players just hated the place and being stuck underground for like 10 levels).

    Blizzard orginally planned for a whole underground sequence of zone in Wrath, looks like SOE copied blizzard :p

    It was talked about at blizzcon prior to wraths released, they scraped the idea and jsut made some dungeons.

     

     

    That zone later became the instance for Azjol Nerub.  You are right - originally Blizz wanted to make it a whole underground zone but later decided against it (probably for the best).

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Just hope we don't have to wait till Blizzcon for new expansion announcement, as the final raid of MoP is coming in out in like 2 weeks, I'd HOPE they have the new expansion mostly done and releasing this November/December.

     

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Just hope we don't have to wait till Blizzcon for new expansion announcement, as the final raid of MoP is coming in out in like 2 weeks, I'd HOPE they have the new expansion mostly done and releasing this November/December.

    that wouild be a first,

    altho Blizzard has been trying forever to have annual expansions

  • ArconaArcona VanlosePosts: 1,185Member
    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Just hope we don't have to wait till Blizzcon for new expansion announcement, as the final raid of MoP is coming in out in like 2 weeks, I'd HOPE they have the new expansion mostly done and releasing this November/December.

    I think they will announce Reaper Of Souls next week at Gamescom, they said there will be a big announcement, and Dark Below at Blizzcon :)

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,941Member Uncommon
    Rather than usual snore fest wouldn't it be an amazing move if the stat crunch meant old content was difficult again - that I would come back for!

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,230Member Uncommon

    why speculate when you have facts;

     

    * we know the name of the 3rd old god.

     

     

    could it get darker? could it be more below? :)

    "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,941Member Uncommon
    Mm is that a twinge of excitement I feel, are blizzard going back to their roots, can it be....please!!

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    One thing I seriously doubt is Blizzard making a 100% underground expansion for WoW.

    It failed with Moria in LOTRO (a majority of players just hated the place and being stuck underground for like 10 levels).

    Yep, Blizz has said many times that Vash'jir (underwater zone in Cata was cool) but they'd never do it again (as players hated it more often then not).

    I liked it a lot, unlike most of Cata, it was a nice change from the same old. So many players are sadly uneasy when they have to face something slightly different of what they are used to.

    Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2, The Crew, SotA

    Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

    Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO, SW:TOR and GW2.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    MMO-champ is back peddling REALLY, REALLY hard to try and convince us The Dark Below was/is just a prank/fake.

    Almost like they got a "hey Boub dude WTF stop please" from Blizzard...

    Almost like they wanted to tease the Reaper of Souls thing for D3 for Gamescon, but accidentally revealed The Dark Below too.

     

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,941Member Uncommon
    Tell you what, with blizzard and public company hate of bad or I bet my ass if enough momentum built up over this blizzard would feel backed up in a corner and would invest more to meet the expectation.

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,941Member Uncommon
    Bad publicity that is ^^

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,815Member
    Originally posted by Nadia

    http://wowpedia.org/Dark_Below

    The only known mention of the Dark Below in official Warcraft canon sources is in the title of the boss http://wowpedia.org/Ozumat

     

    <span npclink"="">Ra-den in Throne of Thunder is telling the players when defeated about some kind of darkness beneath us. The quote: "But there is a yawning chasm of darkness beneath you mortals, vast, endless, and all consuming."

    Good find.

    It will be interesting to see what they come up with to try and curb the decline. Story/setting plays a big part....wotlk was their most successful xpac for a reason, and im sure the arthas storyline had something to do with it.

    EDIT: The next WoW raid tier "seige of orgramar" is mostly set underneath orgramar, so thats probably what is being referred to, seeing as Throne of Thunder is the current tier.

  • expressoexpresso mePosts: 2,183Member Uncommon
    Stranger and stranger me likes.
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,064Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by expresso

    I want one big feature – the removal of flying mounts;

    1.        Make it so only a few can get them – think legendary.

    2.       You hire them on a 1hour “flying” time basis from an NPC for quite a bit of gold (also helps remove gold from the ecom)

    3.       Remove them all together

    I can only see downsides with flying mounts;

    1.        Players skip over content

    2.       Zones feel empty cus payers are not passing through

    3.       Less World PvP

    4.       Blizzard cannot hide or hint at future content and mystery, think the greymane wall in vanilla or the AQ gates, we all wanted to know what was beyond at the time, right now anything like that players just fly over.

    You can not take things away from people... they will react like little children when you take away their toys...

     

    You can only add more and new things and hope they forget about the old stuff, which in the case of flying mounts will never work

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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