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Name an MMORPG feature that was never copied , but wish was.

4Renziks4Renziks Berwyn, ILPosts: 334Member
It looks like Final Fantasy ARR has Xp Chains, it was originally in Final Fantasy 11....I haven't seen it done in other MMO's (could be wrong)....But fore people that do like to grind on occasion, it gives them something to strive towards, I wish this feature was in more MMO's and expanded upon.

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Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon

    As far as I know Asheron's Call feature of spending earnable experience to purchase skills has never been copied.  Neither has its crafting system called Tinkering, which allowed each loot item the possibility of being enchanted up to 10 times.

     

    Gameplay involves earning experience points through a variety of activities, including engaging and defeating monsters in combat, fulfilling quests, and interacting with NPCs. Those earned experience points can then be invested to improve the character's abilities by spending it on attributes or skills. Additional skill points are awarded after the character reaches certain levels, and these skill points can then be used to acquire a new skill. In addition to earning experience, questing and combat yields 'loot', such as armor, weapons, health potions, and spell scrolls. Many types of loot can be improved or imbued with special spells and effects via Asheron's Call's 'tinkering' crafting system.

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    Many elements of Asheron's Call are radically different from most other MMORPGs. For example, Asheron's Call does not divide its world into different level zones. While some areas are much more dangerous to players than others, there is nonetheless a mix of different creatures types that creates much more unpredictability than is present in other games. Another key difference is that Asheron's Call does not use character level as the major determinant in the outcome of a combat. Level simply determines what skills are available, and it is the skills and equipment of players and creatures that determine the outcome. Whereas in many games a player will be able to move a cursor over an opponent and instantly know from their level whether they will be successful in combat, in Asheron's Call a character might be able to defeat much higher level foes or lose to much lower level ones, again depending upon one's skill choices and equipment. As with the absence of specific level zones, this creates a higher degree of unpredictability than in most games of this type.

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    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • YalexyYalexy BerlinPosts: 1,053Member Uncommon

    EvE Onlines skill system.

  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yalexy

    EvE Onlines skill system.

    It has been, by Perpetuum of whatever (tho slightly different execution, still the same.. time = levelups)... EVE on mechs :D

     

    Lots of nice features in/from Neocron, like hacking, hacknet and plenty of other nifty things and snippets i loved about it!

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  • 4Renziks4Renziks Berwyn, ILPosts: 334Member
    Originally posted by Yalexy

    EvE Onlines skill system.

    Id say Age of Wushu is the closes thing to a copy of that.

    playing: Dragon Age
    Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
    Want to try: Fallen Earth

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon

    Shadowbane's system of protecting a players worn gear but otherwise making their back packs, including the gold they are carrying lootable upon death (and in the case of thieves, they can steal from your backpack directly)

    This allowed a player to wear their best gear, and make choices when gathering loot regarding when was it the right time to go back and bank. (and penalties for guessing wrong)

     

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  • anemoanemo Posts: 762Member Uncommon

    IronRealms status effect system.   Essentially the goal was to afflict status effects on your target to limit how they could respond(keep them from curing other status effects, from healing health, inflicting damage, and many other things), with perfect play 2 players could duel for half an hour trying to find a weak spot or waiting for a mistake.

    Haven and Hearths crafting system.   Good enough to never need to play combat to have a "full"/"real" game.

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  • Algaroth_the_VhyleAlgaroth_the_Vhyle Clarksville, TNPosts: 7Member

    I may be wrong (and I probably am), but I haven't seen another MMO with a skill progression system like Ultima Online. There is no leveling. Your skills are represented strictly as a percentage, and you earn the title of "Journeyman _____" or "Grandmaster ______". And you could lock or decrease other skill bases, to earn more XP in other skills. Not to mention, UO has a metric ton of different skills to choose from.

    I've always thought that kind of XP system was pretty interesting. For the record - I've played a handful of MMOs, so I'm pretty certain there is another one out there with that setup. I personally haven't come across it yet. Correct me if I'm wrong.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,758Member Uncommon
    Anarchy Online's mission system....I loved rolling missions in AO, especially being able to mess with the sliders for difficulty and other options.
  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member
    A story that's above fanfic. So far only SWTOR has done that.

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  • st4t1ckst4t1ck jonesboro, GAPosts: 600Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    As far as I know Asheron's Call feature of spending earnable experience to purchase skills has never been copied.  Neither has its crafting system called Tinkering, which allowed each loot item the possibility of being enchanted up to 10 times.

     

    Gameplay involves earning experience points through a variety of activities, including engaging and defeating monsters in combat, fulfilling quests, and interacting with NPCs. Those earned experience points can then be invested to improve the character's abilities by spending it on attributes or skills. Additional skill points are awarded after the character reaches certain levels, and these skill points can then be used to acquire a new skill. In addition to earning experience, questing and combat yields 'loot', such as armor, weapons, health potions, and spell scrolls. Many types of loot can be improved or imbued with special spells and effects via Asheron's Call's 'tinkering' crafting system.

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    Many elements of Asheron's Call are radically different from most other MMORPGs. For example, Asheron's Call does not divide its world into different level zones. While some areas are much more dangerous to players than others, there is nonetheless a mix of different creatures types that creates much more unpredictability than is present in other games. Another key difference is that Asheron's Call does not use character level as the major determinant in the outcome of a combat. Level simply determines what skills are available, and it is the skills and equipment of players and creatures that determine the outcome. Whereas in many games a player will be able to move a cursor over an opponent and instantly know from their level whether they will be successful in combat, in Asheron's Call a character might be able to defeat much higher level foes or lose to much lower level ones, again depending upon one's skill choices and equipment. As with the absence of specific level zones, this creates a higher degree of unpredictability than in most games of this type.

    never played asheron's call  but the spending earnable exp on skills sounds like the Merit system in ffxi.  after you hit max level you could gain exp towards a "level up" each level earning you a merit point to spend on traits and skills for your toon

  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member

    SWG crafting system.

    Other games have done player economies but I've never seen one as complex and actually brought together all most all aspects of the game. Everyone was really interdependent on each other to make it work. The cycling resource qualities really let a good crafter stand out above the rest.

  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon
    Almost everything in Meridian 59. Particularly the Assassin's Game where all those who enter into the contest are given a dagger with another player's name on it that they have to kill with said dagger. Once that is done, a new name is on the dagger until all but one are left standing.

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  • RossbossRossboss Runes of Magic, TXPosts: 240Member

    It's not an MMORPG feature but I wish it was. Diagonal Progression in character progression. Skill trees that interact with eachother and none of this hyperspecialized nonsense. Basically the ability to refine skills towards the "in-between" areas. Having a sneaky player that sacrifices their hyperspecialization as a damage dealer to have group utility or healing or aoe abilities. Ability to go full hybrid on a class that normally wouldn't allow it, like having a hybrid tank-mage or a cc-healer.

     

    Also, a title system that grants attributes to the player passively and actively depending on which title is equipped. You have 50 titles with +10 base damage, but only one can be equipped. Each one that is not equipped only gives you 10% of their effects but it ends up adding up to a decent amount.

     

    Maybe global cooldowns that actually make sense. You use Desperation Skill X and then you can't cast again for another Y seconds. Mana pools quite literally make no sense to me.

     

    Free Crafting system. Much like real life, you get patterns for clothing to make it. The materials you choose decide the item level, stats, and additional attributes. You use special materials, you get a special item; you use common materials, you get a common item. Simple as that, no luck involved and gathering is kept to a minimum for those of us who don't like spending our in game time at "nodes".

     

    That's about it.

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by st4t1ck
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    As far as I know Asheron's Call feature of spending earnable experience to purchase skills has never been copied.  Neither has its crafting system called Tinkering, which allowed each loot item the possibility of being enchanted up to 10 times.

     

    Gameplay involves earning experience points through a variety of activities, including engaging and defeating monsters in combat, fulfilling quests, and interacting with NPCs. Those earned experience points can then be invested to improve the character's abilities by spending it on attributes or skills. Additional skill points are awarded after the character reaches certain levels, and these skill points can then be used to acquire a new skill. In addition to earning experience, questing and combat yields 'loot', such as armor, weapons, health potions, and spell scrolls. Many types of loot can be improved or imbued with special spells and effects via Asheron's Call's 'tinkering' crafting system.

    image

    Many elements of Asheron's Call are radically different from most other MMORPGs. For example, Asheron's Call does not divide its world into different level zones. While some areas are much more dangerous to players than others, there is nonetheless a mix of different creatures types that creates much more unpredictability than is present in other games. Another key difference is that Asheron's Call does not use character level as the major determinant in the outcome of a combat. Level simply determines what skills are available, and it is the skills and equipment of players and creatures that determine the outcome. Whereas in many games a player will be able to move a cursor over an opponent and instantly know from their level whether they will be successful in combat, in Asheron's Call a character might be able to defeat much higher level foes or lose to much lower level ones, again depending upon one's skill choices and equipment. As with the absence of specific level zones, this creates a higher degree of unpredictability than in most games of this type.

    never played asheron's call  but the spending earnable exp on skills sounds like the Merit system in ffxi.  after you hit max level you could gain exp towards a "level up" each level earning you a merit point to spend on traits and skills for your toon

     Sort of similar but not exactly.  EXP earned can be spent on skills and attributes when ever you want.  Level is nothing but a number to denote how often you can a skill point. 1 every 5 level, and each skill costs a set amount of points i.e. War Magic costs 16 points to train and 16 more points to specialize.

     

    http://ac.wikkii.net/wiki/Attribute_Costs#Attribute_Costs

    http://ac.wikkii.net/wiki/Skills

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • garrettgarrett Posts: 261MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Dark Age of Camelot
     :p 
  • ComafComaf Chicago, ILPosts: 1,154Member Common
    Originally posted by 4Renziks
    It looks like Final Fantasy ARR has Xp Chains, it was originally in Final Fantasy 11....I haven't seen it done in other MMO's (could be wrong)....But fore people that do like to grind on occasion, it gives them something to strive towards, I wish this feature was in more MMO's and expanded upon.

    Truly separate realms.  This isn't factions with mirrored classes.  I'm talking uniquely different realms that include completely different magic and combat styles, gods, architecture, armor, etc.  I honestly believe that the industry assumes we are all so ignorant (or high?) that we are ready to jump on the cloned 5 race class cash shop games that permeate the market like a cancer.

     

    This sillyness where everyone is carbon copied on a childish battleground flag capture is just the most overdone nonsense I've ever seen in a game.  You'd think EA owns the entire industry.

     

    Perhaps we are terribly undereducated and accept mediocrity - However, I still refuse to believe it.

     

     

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  • MuruganMurugan D, COPosts: 1,494Member
    Originally posted by jpnz
    A story that's above fanfic. So far only SWTOR has done that.

    I found SWTOR's story to be very "fanfic"esque.  I mean by the very definition of fan fiction, it is just a bunch of (imo) not very well written storylines meant to pay homage to actual Star Wars characters/stories.  The original KOTOR game's story were much much better and relied less on fan service alone.

     

    I'd say that the best done story's in MMO's have been XI's, and recently XIV's ending/ARR's new story looks to be good.

     

    Vanguard also had pretty well done and deep lore, it was just never realized as part of the game due to SOE's handling of it.

     

    I wish other games would copy Vanguard's diplomacy system and expand upon it.  The only time I've seen anyone try was the original FFXIV's parley system, and it was terrible.

  • whilanwhilan Everett, WAPosts: 3,172Member Uncommon

    Morphing system (I think the origin is SW:TOR though I could be wrong) really wish someone else would do this but on a larger scale.

    For example Lets say for simplistic reasons and because i'm this way (hence my avatar) you got two forces Good and Evil. You have a neutral town It has normal looking buildings much like every other MMO, then the forces of good take it over and everything (building/people/ground/sky at least in that atrea) all morph to appear a happier place.

    Then for some reason the Evil force takes it away from them, it instantly switches, the buildings get more pointed ends on them, the people hunch over, the sky in that area gets darker and the flowers in the area die/vanish.

    If the town isn't supported by either faction it eventually reverts back to neutrality.

    Sort of similar to how Black and white 2 did their towns.

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    User selectable, scalable difficulty+rewards (CoX).

    Not quite sure why; it solves soooo many issues in the never-ending hardcore / casual pissing contest.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • MystlynxMystlynx Rochester, MNPosts: 68Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    SWG crafting system.

    Other games have done player economies but I've never seen one as complex and actually brought together all most all aspects of the game. Everyone was really interdependent on each other to make it work. The cycling resource qualities really let a good crafter stand out above the rest.

    This right here.  Was just talking to a buddy about their system today.  And you could make a profession out of just a portion of the system.  I never really did much crafting.  I liked to roam and resource gather though, then put up resources on the AH or give the best stuff to crafter friends.

  • ReallyNow10ReallyNow10 Pile It High Town, LAPosts: 2,010Member Common

    TRAINS

    def.  aggroed monsters can peel off and attack bystanders.

    IMO, trains kept things lively and kept you on your toes.  When you would enter an area and see lots of player corpses on the ground, you would pay attention to your surroundings real fast.  EQ1 had trains, EQ2 briefly, I think, but pretty much this feature was not copied (or not often).

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by garrett
    Dark Age of Camelot

    Wait--attempted copies, or successful copies? We've seem several companies talk the talk.

    But--are you encouraging someone in the industry to make the dreaded ::horrors:: clone???

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon
    Istairia dragons, dragons growing, and the multiclass system that lets you keeps skills stats and abilities from one class when you switch to a different class.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • NotimeforbsNotimeforbs Memphis, TNPosts: 346Member Common
    Originally posted by Mystlynx
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    SWG crafting system.

    Other games have done player economies but I've never seen one as complex and actually brought together all most all aspects of the game. Everyone was really interdependent on each other to make it work. The cycling resource qualities really let a good crafter stand out above the rest.

    This right here.  Was just talking to a buddy about their system today.  And you could make a profession out of just a portion of the system.  I never really did much crafting.  I liked to roam and resource gather though, then put up resources on the AH or give the best stuff to crafter friends.

    This is what I would have said too.  But it wasn't just the crafting.  It was how all the Professions needed something from another Profession.  A Commando could get animal hides a lot easier than a Master Weaponsmith.  It created its own economy.

    The way the economy worked in SWG in general is probably the number one thing MMO's are missing.  For instance:

     

    Problem:

    "Our players are running out of stuff to do!  They're eating through this content faster than we can make it!"

    Solution:

    "Give their classes jobs and services that depend on every other class.  The content will invent itself."

     

    Problem:

    "But, WoW doesn't do that!  Maybe we should make a new business model that allows us to make the same money in less time?  Eureka!"

    Solution:

    "How about you give their classes jobs and services that depend on every other class instead?  That way, they always have something important to do, and your community doesn't leave the game before you finish the new content.  And since your community never leaves in the first place, they will grow strong and will stick with you for the long haul."

  • BlazeyerBlazeyer Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 476Member Uncommon

    final fantasy xi's gear swapping mechanic:

     

    Weaponskills, spells, and abilities utilize different stats, so you gear swap mid battle before,during, after using macros. It makes every possible facet of endgame from 2003-present relevant. No MMO has come even close to getting endgame right except ffxi.

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