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[Preview] Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar: Mobile Gaming Gets Serious

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,649MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Last week marked an important moment for fans of both MMOs and the Ultima series with the very quiet launch of Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar in Canada. We've got a full preview and some impressions to share to sit back and read on before heading to the comments to tell us what you think.

Ultima VII: The Black Gate was the RPG that showed me videogames can be so much more than jumping on turtles and breaking bricks.  I was absolutely in awe of what I consider to be the greatest game in the series and one of the greatest RPGs of all time.  Seriously, download it now on GoG.com for $6 bucks and be prepared to be blown away by its depth and scope if you’ve never played it.  It’s worth noting that Ultima Forever (U4E) is a recreation not of the later open world RPGs or Ultima Online, but rather a direct “remake” of Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar.  If you go into U4E expecting something akin to VII or UO, you might be disappointed.  This isn’t supposed to replace Ultima Online. 

Read more of Bill Murphy's Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar - Mobile Gaming Gets Serious.

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  • ErlijusErlijus Montreal, QCPosts: 95Member Uncommon

    Thanks for the review Bill. I do not own an Ipad, but was very interested to check the direction EA/Mythic wanted to take Ultima in.

    From what I see, we are still facing the same dilemna that get people so angry (myself included) at EA: good to great games, but being treated by EA management just as cash cows: hook the player, then have him spend as much money as he can in the cash shop before getting tired of the game...  I have heard the arguments they give us: games being like super productions, shorter span life and everything, but it really comes down to pure and plain greed. Can EA management try to find some balance between greed and ethics? Otherwise, they will keep getting the Worst company in America title each year :(

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    It's definitely a very fun RPG with a bit of MMO to boot, and I really would like/hope to see it come to the PC too like they originally planned.  But they need to reign in the cash-grabs.  Plain and simple.
  • uidCausticuidCaustic acworth, GAPosts: 128Member
    People still develop for "i"...things?  I thought that technology on training wheels was reserved for the elderly.
  • DestinoBRDestinoBR Porto AlegrePosts: 8Member
    What about a port for Android? I'm not an  "I" user and I will never be. EA cant ignore this  huge slice of the mobile market, Apple is profiting more then their counterparts  but  it has lost the leading for sales to Samsung .
  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,191Member Uncommon

    Until the technology improves I consider any pad to be a waste of money for a gamer, especially since you can get a nice laptop for about the same money.  Pads are good for kids under 12 and that is about it.  My 11 year old grandson already wants a laptop for his next birthday so he can play real games.

    Just don't get the excitement over mobile games myself.

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by DestinoBR
    What about a port for Android? I'm not an  "I" user and I will never be. EA cant ignore this  huge slice of the mobile market, Apple is profiting more then their counterparts  but  it has lost the leading for sales to Samsung .

    I think the official word, via their twitter account, is that once the iOS version is fully launched, they'll move on to Android and PC.

  • nethervoidnethervoid xanex, CAPosts: 528Member
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Until the technology improves I consider any pad to be a waste of money for a gamer, especially since you can get a nice laptop for about the same money.  Pads are good for kids under 12 and that is about it.  My 11 year old grandson already wants a laptop for his next birthday so he can play real games.

    Just don't get the excitement over mobile games myself.

    Agree I don't get it. I'm a database admin, so definitely tech savvy, and TBH I still don't get the appeal of tablets at all. The only time I could see myself wanting to use one is in front of the TV, but usually I'm watching something and can't really be looking down to play a half-assed game every few seconds. If I can whatever I'm watching is not interesting enough, and at that point neither is the game.

    I guess I'm one of those rare people who actually want TV and games to require my attention.

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Den HelderPosts: 9,065Member Uncommon
    Even for a mobile game, the graphics are way outdated.

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • zellmerzellmer Fakesville, WIPosts: 442Member

    Somewhere Richard Garriott is crying that EA ruined Ultima for him.

    Looks like more of the same...

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    It's definitely a very fun RPG with a bit of MMO to boot, and I really would like/hope to see it come to the PC too like they originally planned.  But they need to reign in the cash-grabs.  Plain and simple.

    How exactly is it a bit of an MMO?

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Like the article says: you're always online, share the over-world and towns with other players, and go solo into dungeons unless you group up.  
     
  • MumboJumboMumboJumbo LondonPosts: 3,221Member

    This looks much more like the real deal:

    http://albiononline.com/

    • Albion Online is a Free-to-Play medieval sandbox MMO.
    • Albion Online is [s]also the first true[/s] a cross-platform MMO, running on different devices like Windows, iOS, Android at the same time and in the same world!

    Player-driven economy

    • All items AND buildings are player crafted.
    • Build your own villages and towns.
    • Rent out land or production buildings to other guilds.

    PvP & Full Loot

    • One of the first games to combine PvP, Player-Driven-Economy and full loot in a Free-to-play game.
    • Death is meaningful if you can lose everything.

    “Free to Play”, but NOT “Pay to Win”

    • We (the company) are not selling items to the players. We are only acting like a central bank, exchanging currencies.
    • Items and resources can only be bought from other players.
    • You can acquire every item (realistically) and every premium service without ever paying with real money.

    Unique character customization

    • There are no classes in Albion Online. You class is determined by the items you are wearing!
    • You can combine any item with each other. There are no boundaries!
    • Want to become the Mage Knight in Cloth Armor wielding Sword & Shield? In Albion Online this is possible!

    Cross platform & one massive world

    • Every player in Albion Online plays on one master server. There is only one huge game world.
    • Sitting in a café, playing on your tablet? You play in the same world like your friend, who plays at home from his PC!

    Territory control system

    • Our core gameplay involves conquering territories.
    • Conquering and holding territories has many advantages:
    • … to have access to resources and territories to build your own village.
    • … and to be protected from the dangers of the wild and the demons of the void.
     
  • InsaneDalekInsaneDalek Detroit, MIPosts: 119Member

    Ugh. Watching what EA is doing to the legacy of Ultima is like watching someone smash a beloved family heirloom. Absolutely disgraceful.

    Although 'The Weep' is accurately named, because that's all any true fan of the series will do after laying eyes upon this monstrosity.

    Excuse me. I feel ill, and need to go retch.

    It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Until the technology improves I consider any pad to be a waste of money for a gamer, especially since you can get a nice laptop for about the same money.  Pads are good for kids under 12 and that is about it.  My 11 year old grandson already wants a laptop for his next birthday so he can play real games.

    Just don't get the excitement over mobile games myself.

    Mobile gaming is not meant to replace traditional gaming. That's like saying motorcycles are meant to replace cars...

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,782Member Uncommon

    Android is a huge part of the mobile market and it always seems to take back seat to ios. In fact it took 64% of all smartphones sales in Q1. /shakes fist

    Anyway, I can't wait to try this on my android tablet or even my Note 2. I loved the game years ago!

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,952Member Uncommon
    The cash grab's are a real downer and a blight on the industry, I'd be much happier just paying for the damn game.. I remember playing Ultima 3 & 4 on my amiga back in the day, and there was this other little gem at the time call "Fairytale.

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,782Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Until the technology improves I consider any pad to be a waste of money for a gamer, especially since you can get a nice laptop for about the same money.  Pads are good for kids under 12 and that is about it.  My 11 year old grandson already wants a laptop for his next birthday so he can play real games.

    Just don't get the excitement over mobile games myself.

    Well, to me the game is meant for when you can't get to a PC/Laptop.

    I am always waiting for my better half at the Dr.s office. She is always there for at least an hour and it makes the time go quicker. Sometimes I will take her to get her hair done and sit out in the car and play Order and Chaos while she gets beautified. I took my grandson to the park the other day and was able to goof with Avadon for about an hour as well. I didn't even lose him!

    Mobile gaming will never replace PC but it is something to do to pass the time. :)

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Orlando, FLPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nethervoid
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Until the technology improves I consider any pad to be a waste of money for a gamer, especially since you can get a nice laptop for about the same money.  Pads are good for kids under 12 and that is about it.  My 11 year old grandson already wants a laptop for his next birthday so he can play real games.

    Just don't get the excitement over mobile games myself.

    Agree I don't get it. I'm a database admin, so definitely tech savvy, and TBH I still don't get the appeal of tablets at all. The only time I could see myself wanting to use one is in front of the TV, but usually I'm watching something and can't really be looking down to play a half-assed game every few seconds. If I can whatever I'm watching is not interesting enough, and at that point neither is the game.

    I guess I'm one of those rare people who actually want TV and games to require my attention.

    You should check out Ravensword Shadowlands.... It is almost like a mobile Skyrim. 

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Orlando, FLPosts: 843Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MumboJumbo

    This looks much more like the real deal:

    http://albiononline.com/

    • Albion Online is a Free-to-Play medieval sandbox MMO.
    • Albion Online is [s]also the first true[/s] a cross-platform MMO, running on different devices like Windows, iOS, Android at the same time and in the same world!

    Player-driven economy

    • All items AND buildings are player crafted.
    • Build your own villages and towns.
    • Rent out land or production buildings to other guilds.

    PvP & Full Loot

    • One of the first games to combine PvP, Player-Driven-Economy and full loot in a Free-to-play game.
    • Death is meaningful if you can lose everything.

    “Free to Play”, but NOT “Pay to Win”

    • We (the company) are not selling items to the players. We are only acting like a central bank, exchanging currencies.
    • Items and resources can only be bought from other players.
    • You can acquire every item (realistically) and every premium service without ever paying with real money.

    Unique character customization

    • There are no classes in Albion Online. You class is determined by the items you are wearing!
    • You can combine any item with each other. There are no boundaries!
    • Want to become the Mage Knight in Cloth Armor wielding Sword & Shield? In Albion Online this is possible!

    Cross platform & one massive world

    • Every player in Albion Online plays on one master server. There is only one huge game world.
    • Sitting in a café, playing on your tablet? You play in the same world like your friend, who plays at home from his PC!

    Territory control system

    • Our core gameplay involves conquering territories.
    • Conquering and holding territories has many advantages:
    • … to have access to resources and territories to build your own village.
    • … and to be protected from the dangers of the wild and the demons of the void.
     

    I am really happy you pointed this out. I think I will start following this game. It looks like something I can get into while waiting inbetween classes. I just "liked" their facebook page. Now I just need to wait for a beta invite....

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • madazzmadazz A town, ONPosts: 1,564Member Uncommon
    Stop with adding to the confusion. This game, as its developers/producers state is not an MMO. Just like the original Guildwars is not an MMO for the very same reason!
  • inmysightsinmysights Houston, TXPosts: 271Member Uncommon
    There are more Android devices being activated each day than there are babies being born. Bye bye CRIPHONE, cuz that is what you make me do when I see that junk.

    I am so good, I backstabbed your face!

  • MaelkorMaelkor Friendswood, TXPosts: 465Member Uncommon

    Same old argument over what terms actually mean. MMO to me stands for massively multiplayer online. Having 4 people group together to do an instanced dungeon does not in my mind make it massively multiplayer. Its an MO not an MMO. IE its a multiplayer online game but its not massively multiplayer.

    For me - in order for a game to reach MMO status you need at least 1000 players in the same world driving the same content with the ability to bump into any one of them randomly at any given time without a majority of the content being hidden away in an instance. At the very least a particular area should be open to at least 100 to 200 people out of the 1000 online at any given time. A small percentage of instanced area's is o.k. without breaking the MM part of an MMO.

     

    The 2nd part of my comment revolves around the freemium model. I have played a number of freemium games and I can say I do not like a single freemium game I have every played. They can be o.k. in the opening get to know the game portion of the game, however, the headaches associated with the cash shop portion of the game quickly add up to the point freemium games become just a chore to play instead of actually being entertaining. So I will definitely not even consider this one with the freemium model.

  • redcappredcapp brook, NYPosts: 722Member

    Screw EA for retaining the rights to the Ultima IP.  This is utterly disgraceful. 

     

    Oh, and iPad only?  Well, I'm certainly not going to give this game a try, so I really don't care.  But lol nonetheless. 

  • odiasudaodiasuda KaunasPosts: 81Member Uncommon
    Sweet blatant advert in the middle of a conversation about another game.  Since we're on the subject; "full loot" is the dumbest thing in an MMO.  Want a tiny player base for your MMO? Add "full loot".Sweet blatant advert in the middle of a conversation about another game.  Since we're on the subject; "full loot" is the dumbest thing in an MMO.  Want a tiny player base for your MMO? Add "full loot".Sweet blatant advert in the middle of a conversation about another game.  Since we're on the subject; "full loot" is the dumbest thing in an MMO.  Want a tiny player base for your MMO? Add "full loot".Originally posted by MumboJumbo

    This looks much more like the real deal:

    http://albiononline.com/

    • Albion Online is a Free-to-Play medieval sandbox MMO.
    • Albion Online is [s]also the first true[/s] a cross-platform MMO, running on different devices like Windows, iOS, Android at the same time and in the same world!

    Player-driven economy

    • All items AND buildings are player crafted.
    • Build your own villages and towns.
    • Rent out land or production buildings to other guilds.

    PvP & Full Loot

    • One of the first games to combine PvP, Player-Driven-Economy and full loot in a Free-to-play game.
    • Death is meaningful if you can lose everything.

    “Free to Play”, but NOT “Pay to Win”

    • We (the company) are not selling items to the players. We are only acting like a central bank, exchanging currencies.
    • Items and resources can only be bought from other players.
    • You can acquire every item (realistically) and every premium service without ever paying with real money.

    Unique character customization

    • There are no classes in Albion Online. You class is determined by the items you are wearing!
    • You can combine any item with each other. There are no boundaries!
    • Want to become the Mage Knight in Cloth Armor wielding Sword & Shield? In Albion Online this is possible!

    Cross platform & one massive world

    • Every player in Albion Online plays on one master server. There is only one huge game world.
    • Sitting in a café, playing on your tablet? You play in the same world like your friend, who plays at home from his PC!

    Territory control system

    • Our core gameplay involves conquering territories.
    • Conquering and holding territories has many advantages:
    • … to have access to resources and territories to build your own village.
    • … and to be protected from the dangers of the wild and the demons of the void.
     

    Sweet blatant advert in the middle of a conversation about another game.  Since we're on the subject; "full loot" is the dumbest thing in an MMO.  Want a tiny player base for your MMO? Add full loot.    "Death has meaning".   In real life, yes.  In a game? No thanks. 

  • blohm86blohm86 GöteborgPosts: 43Member
    I dont get it, IPAD//Surface//Android Devices should be powerful enough to run 2D Ultima Online instead of this ripoff? Why is it so standard to produce shallow crap to devices such as them?
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