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Confirmed: no wipe!

FyendiarFyendiar LeerdamPosts: 248Member Uncommon

omgitzslashgame I see people saying "wipe" -- do you mean like a complete, beginning-of-time wipe? I can guarantee that won't happen.

— Neverwinter (@NeverwinterGame) May 19,2013
From the official twitter
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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgPosts: 5,644Member Epic

    No surprise there, I've been saying it all along too.

     

    A wipe has far too many nasty implications for PWE's economy, and that's faaar more important than NWO's economy image

  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 6,385Member Rare
    They should agree to fully refund anyone who has spent money without prejudice.
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  • FyendiarFyendiar LeerdamPosts: 248Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    They should agree to fully refund anyone who has spent money without prejudice.

    Not sure what positive effect that would have on the game. So why would they?

  • NobleNerdNobleNerd Wolcott, NYPosts: 732Member Uncommon
    They may want to rethink that statement. For many and I mean many on forums from this site to face Book hundreds if not thousands are saying they would rather see a complete wipe. 


  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    What exactly is the meaning of  beginning of time wipe?

    Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

    Arya Stark

  • FyendiarFyendiar LeerdamPosts: 248Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xepo
    They may want to rethink that statement. For many and I mean many on forums from this site to face Book hundreds if not thousands are saying they would rather see a complete wipe. 

    I am one of them. But only if it also means they fixed all those exploitable problems, at least as much as they possible can be expected to.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgPosts: 5,644Member Epic
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    They should agree to fully refund anyone who has spent money without prejudice.

     

    This from their Twitter:

     

     

    klotingd Whatever happens, no one will lose any real money.

    — Neverwinter (@NeverwinterGame) May 19, 2013

     

     

    Nobody will be losing any real money, least of all PWE image

  • FyendiarFyendiar LeerdamPosts: 248Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Slappy1
    What exactly is the meaning of  beginning of time wipe?

    All characters gone, all AD gained gone, all Zen spend refunded. Basicly how servers are the moment they are turned on the very first time.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 20,553Member Epic
    Originally posted by Slappy1
    What exactly is the meaning of  beginning of time wipe?

    From the start of this incarnation of "beta".

    Or essentially when this version of the game went live and people could start playing.

  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member

    Ok,thank's for answer's.

    So we could still have a rollback.

    Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

    Arya Stark

  • SourajitSourajit KolkataPosts: 463Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Slappy1
    What exactly is the meaning of  beginning of time wipe?

    From the start of this incarnation of "beta".

    Or essentially when this version of the game went live and people could start playing.

    I see this as the only solution.

    Anything else will just not fix it .

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  • FyendiarFyendiar LeerdamPosts: 248Member Uncommon

    djdazzled Whatever ends up happening, complete wipes are off the table, and we'll work to minimize the impact while fixing the issue.

    — Neverwinter (@NeverwinterGame) May 19, 2013
  • chakalakachakalaka Missoula, MTPosts: 291Member Uncommon
    For some reason the idea of a complete wipe, adding in at least 2 character classes, basically a re-release and with time to clean up bugs now with so many active players (at least from the beginning, not sure what's happening now). I really have fun on my Cleric in pvp and pve so it would be nice to see these changes happen especially for a free 2 play model. I would also spend money in the cash shop if the reward to money spent ratio seemed a little more realistic. Fun game overall though!
  • GableGable Vancouver, BCPosts: 43Member Uncommon
    What am I missing here?  Why would there be a wipe?  Has something changed?  Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne YorkshirePosts: 3,057Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gable
    What am I missing here?  Why would there be a wipe?  Has something changed?  Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?

    There's been a massive exploit that has practically destroyed the game's economy.

  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member

    They need to not only do a complete wipe, they need to treat it like an actual open beta and fix all the exploits then do ANOTHER complete wipe when they are finally ready to call the game "released".

    That's not going to happen though...

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  • VaporsVapors Fr.Posts: 407Member Uncommon

    Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.

    So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.

  • BMBenderBMBender Nowhere, NCPosts: 784Member Uncommon

    While a wipe would be the best bet for them from a brand satisfaction standpoint, they have backed themselves into a corner by the whole beta/live cash store double blind.

    If they don't wipe most of the exploit gains remain and their brand takes a pretty major hit

     

    If they do wipe they must do a line by line audit of every transaction of the game to ensure that legitimate customers get refunded for wiped digital purchases...that's a lot of man-hours

    or they could go for option C and do a wipe with no refund at all and hope they have enough of a paying player base on the other side

     

    They are more or less in a loose/loose scenario and they put themselves in it.

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  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by Gable
    What am I missing here?  Why would there be a wipe?  Has something changed?  Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?

    There's been a massive exploit that has practically destroyed the game's economy.

    I assume you are referring to the AD duping?  There are about 6 other massive exploits that have been effecting the economy for a while now that still aren't fixed too.

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  • GableGable Vancouver, BCPosts: 43Member Uncommon
    Ooooooooh, I see.  BACK TO RIFT!
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne YorkshirePosts: 3,057Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AIMonster
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by Gable
    What am I missing here?  Why would there be a wipe?  Has something changed?  Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?

    There's been a massive exploit that has practically destroyed the game's economy.

    I assume you are referring to the AD duping?  There are about 6 other massive exploits that have been effecting the economy for a while now that still aren't fixed too.

    Yes, but this one is bigger, badder, quicker and easier.

  • GiffenGiffen Lacey, WAPosts: 274Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BMBender
    While a wipe would be the best bet for them from a brand satisfaction standpoint, they have backed themselves into a corner by the whole beta/live cash store double blind. If they don't wipe most of the exploit gains remain and their brand takes a pretty major hit   If they do wipe they must do a line by line audit of every transaction of the game to ensure that legitimate customers get refunded for wiped digital purchases...that's a lot of man-hours or they could go for option C and do a wipe with no refund at all and hope they have enough of a paying player base on the other side   They are more or less in a loose/loose scenario and they put themselves in it.

    It wouldn't be hard, if you go to your wallet for Zen at PWE they show every transaction of transferring Zen to Neverwinter.  They just need to revert those Zen back.  All of your Zen for money purchases are easily confirmed.

  • khartokhar3khartokhar3 HannoverPosts: 486Member

    said it in the other thread and i say it here. a wipe would make a lot of people to quit the game. one of them is me. just made it to 60 with my mage and the cleric is 54. i cant be bothered to lvl those chars again. and i don't care about the fake ad in the game now. just wipe the ad or w/e if u want.

  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne YorkshirePosts: 3,057Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Giffen
    Originally posted by BMBender
    While a wipe would be the best bet for them from a brand satisfaction standpoint, they have backed themselves into a corner by the whole beta/live cash store double blind. If they don't wipe most of the exploit gains remain and their brand takes a pretty major hit   If they do wipe they must do a line by line audit of every transaction of the game to ensure that legitimate customers get refunded for wiped digital purchases...that's a lot of man-hours or they could go for option C and do a wipe with no refund at all and hope they have enough of a paying player base on the other side They are more or less in a loose/loose scenario and they put themselves in it.

    It wouldn't be hard, if you go to your wallet for Zen at PWE they show every transaction of transferring Zen to Neverwinter.  They just need to revert those Zen back.  All of your Zen for money purchases are easily confirmed.

    Yeh, 5 devs going through about 10,000,000 zen transactions one by one is a simple task.

  • GiffenGiffen Lacey, WAPosts: 274Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vapors
    Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything. So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.

    It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air.  The economy has now been completely ruined. 

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