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Invisiblity

ChannceChannce Sacramento, CAPosts: 570Member

No invisibility at all!

However, if you absolutely insist on this old mechanic, then make it only for scouting, no useful skill at all while invisible.

When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.

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  • MkilbrideMkilbride Hooksett, NHPosts: 637Member Uncommon

    Well you're in luck.

     

    Cause there won't be any invisibility.

     

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  • UOloverUOlover Mullica Hill, NJPosts: 327Member Common

    what about magical invisibility? A mmorpg without magical invisibility? Every mmorpg has had magical invisibility.

  • MkilbrideMkilbride Hooksett, NHPosts: 637Member Uncommon
    There shall be no invisibility, at least, usable in combat. That is what we've been promised.

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  • meddyckmeddyck Athens, GAPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mkilbride

    Well you're in luck.

     Cause there won't be any invisibility.

    • Veil Walker
    • Veil Stalker

    Doesn't the Veilwalker effectively have invisibility from every class except the Veilstalker?

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  • DieediDieedi MiramasPosts: 9Member

    hunter will have camouflage.

     

    [quote]Doesn't the Veilwalker effectively have invisibility from every class except the Veilstalker?[/quote]

    Not sure it's definitive yet

  • time007time007 Houston, TXPosts: 490Member Uncommon

    THERE IS NO INVISIBILITY IN DAOC!!!!  You can be seen by other stealthers, vamps, or anyone who gets up close to you, or if you don't move.  Its called stealth.  Look up the definition of invisbility.  Invisibility means you cannot be seen.  Period.  And hilarious, how you say, no invisibility, which I'm going to assume you meant stealth.  You provide no reasons for this other than, someone else has something I can't have with my other class.  Well guess what, I can't go blowing crap up and flame on and gandalf everyone to hell can i?  You wanna run around like a f'ing gandalf with a rocket launcher but no one else can have anything else that provides them a unique class advantage.    Next time put more thought and/or research  into your thread, you won't get pwned as hardcore.  Probably do the same in RVR, just run out there without thinking and wonder why you get blown up and want to take away other classes core mechanics.  That or you just came here to start up a long thread about stealth and didnt know how to do it.  Well we can close this thread now, it has zero substance.

    in·vis·i·ble

    /?n?v?z?b?l/ Show Spelled [in-viz-uh-buhl] Show IPA

     

    adjective
    1.
    not visible; not perceptible by the eye: invisible fluid.

     

    2.

    withdrawn from or out of sight; hidden: an invisible seam.

     

    3.

    not perceptible or discernible by the mind: invisible differences.

     

     

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  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by time007

    THERE IS NO INVISIBILITY IN DAOC!!!!  You can be seen by other stealthers, vamps, or anyone who gets up close to you, or if you don't move.  Its called stealth.  Look up the definition of invisbility.  Invisibility means you cannot be seen.  Period.  And hilarious, how you say, no invisibility, which I'm going to assume you meant stealth.  You provide no reasons for this other than, someone else has something I can't have with my other class.  Well guess what, I can't go blowing crap up and flame on and gandalf everyone to hell can i?  You wanna run around like a f'ing gandalf with a rocket launcher but no one else can have anything else that provides them a unique class advantage.    Next time put more thought and/or research  into your thread, you won't get pwned as hardcore.  Probably do the same in RVR, just run out there without thinking and wonder why you get blown up and want to take away other classes core mechanics.  That or you just came here to start up a long thread about stealth and didnt know how to do it.  Well we can close this thread now, it has zero substance.

    in·vis·i·ble

    /?n?v?z?b?l/ Show Spelled [in-viz-uh-buhl] Show IPA

     

    adjective
    1.
    not visible; not perceptible by the eye: invisible fluid.

     

    2.

    withdrawn from or out of sight; hidden: an invisible seam.

     

    3.

    not perceptible or discernible by the mind: invisible differences.

     

     

    lol +1

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • Veil Walkers will be able to move around unseen by shifting into the Veil. They can even move through stuff like walls to bypass defense. So they'll be invisible to most players until they exit the Veil again.

    But that's still very much subject to change.

  • TumblebutzTumblebutz Henderson, NVPosts: 322Member

    Finally!  A thread about stealth!  At least the OP is objective and willing to find a compromise.

    Seriously, let's wait and see what MJ has in mind for stealth options in a little more detail, before we twist ourselves into too many knots over it.  The Veil Walker and Veil Stalker seem like they're at the concept phase only.  When we know more details, this discussion will be much more productive.

    Additionally, MJ only very briefly mentioned a "camouflage" type ability for Scouts/Archers.  Again, let's see where CSE goes with it.

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  • DanwarrDanwarr Grove City, PAPosts: 185Member
    Originally posted by meddyck
    Originally posted by Mkilbride

    Well you're in luck.

     Cause there won't be any invisibility.

    • Veil Walker
    • Veil Stalker

    Doesn't the Veilwalker effectively have invisibility from every class except the Veilstalker?

    The way I understand it, Veilwalkers will be able to see each other inside the Veil as well.

    And MJ said that the archer/ranger class will have camouflage type stealth.

     

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  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • DanwarrDanwarr Grove City, PAPosts: 185Member
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

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  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • TaldierTaldier Camp Hill, PAPosts: 235Member
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

     

    So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Taldier
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

     

    So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

    You mad bro?

    I'm not whining, i'm merely pointing out the fact that the only reason they are over complicating "stealth" is to quiet down the people that constantly complain about getting rock paper scissored... in a . wait for it... ROCK PAPER SCISSORS GAME

    thought niche meant something to people? guess not.

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • TaldierTaldier Camp Hill, PAPosts: 235Member
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Taldier
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

     

    So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

    You mad bro?

    I'm not whining, i'm merely pointing out the fact that the only reason they are over complicating "stealth" is to quiet down the people that constantly complain about getting rock paper scissored... in a . wait for it... ROCK PAPER SCISSORS GAME

    thought niche meant something to people? guess not.

    The rock paper scissors argument?  Really?  You think you win on that one?

     

    In rock paper scissors, the scissors cant just always avoid rock while waiting to find some paper.

     

    In games with old fasioned stealth mechanics, the stealthers hunt each other in between killing their targets.  Thats just the way it is.  The primary predator of "scissors" in this metaphor is virtually always other pairs of scissors, not rock.

     

    In case you arent familiar with the game, thats not how rock paper scissors works.

     

    I've yet to hear a fighter be told to go hunt down an enemy scout by himself in a game where scouts are invisible.

     

    Theres a difference between actually dieing to someone vs just saying "oh I cant kill that person" and then not going near them.

     

    Why do you think stealthers end up being nerfed into oblivion in every game?  Because just being able to pick your targets is basically the most powerful utility conceivable in PvP.

     

    Do I really want to see my stealthy character beaten down again just because they didnt bother to put any proper counters for him in the game?  Not really.

  • DanwarrDanwarr Grove City, PAPosts: 185Member
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    Veil Stalkers are not "stealth" classes. They spot the Veil walkers which are the only true "stealth" class. MJ has said that the camo for archers/rangers will root them in place and it will be tied to being in cover/foliage/etc.

    So there is only one "stealth" class, and even then it's not 100% invisible.

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    Played: LotRO,RIFT,ToR,Warhammer, Runescape

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Taldier
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Taldier
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    One of the only people I ever see "whining" or "complaining" is you.  "Oh no, not something marginally different than what I'm used to!?!?! Noooooooooo!!!!!".

     

    So you can stop claiming that everyone who disagrees with you on anything is "whining".

    You mad bro?

    I'm not whining, i'm merely pointing out the fact that the only reason they are over complicating "stealth" is to quiet down the people that constantly complain about getting rock paper scissored... in a . wait for it... ROCK PAPER SCISSORS GAME

    thought niche meant something to people? guess not.

    The rock paper scissors argument?  Really?  You think you win on that one?

     

    In rock paper scissors, the scissors cant just always avoid rock while waiting to find some paper.

     

    In games with old fasioned stealth mechanics, the stealthers hunt each other in between killing their targets.  Thats just the way it is.  The primary predator of "scissors" in this metaphor is virtually always other pairs of scissors, not rock.

     

    In case you arent familiar with the game, thats not how rock paper scissors works.

     

    I've yet to hear a fighter be told to go hunt down an enemy scout by himself in a game where scouts are invisible.

     

    Theres a difference between actually dieing to someone vs just saying "oh I cant kill that person" and then not going near them.

     

    Why do you think stealthers end up being nerfed into oblivion in every game?  Because just being able to pick your targets is basically the most powerful utility conceivable in PvP.

     

    Do I really want to see my stealthy character beaten down again just because they didnt bother to put any proper counters for him in the game?  Not really.

    Sounds to me like you've never played a stealther ... ever. Being able to pick your targets and have that playstyle ability is the reason people play stealthers and why they're fun. You don't get to stand on the keep wall shooting fireballs for 1 hour straight, you have to sneak around pick your target and get a kill, in general this took much longer then it would take a mage type to kill 10 people in a zerg warfare scenario... this is called patience and it should be rewarded.

    Stealthers get nerfed into oblivion because games build systems where they are allowed to escape easy after failed encounters and still live and people constantly bitch and complain about dieing to something they can't see .. because "ITS NOT FAIR" or whatever... well if you hop upon a stealther fighting something else and two shot him with firebolts hows that fair lol?

    This argument and complaints are sooooooooooo bloody subjective to the situation it's so stupid.

    I havn't played a game where there wasn't counters for stealthers, their called tanks and other skills / abilities that make it easier to spot them. Don't talk to me about your dumb excuses why stealthers arn't a part of RPS...

     

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    Veil Stalkers are not "stealth" classes. They spot the Veil walkers which are the only true "stealth" class. MJ has said that the camo for archers/rangers will root them in place and it will be tied to being in cover/foliage/etc.

    So there is only one "stealth" class, and even then it's not 100% invisible.

    I know that rofl.... my point is there are 3 classes designed around the one ability. It's excessive complication to an easier simple solution.

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • You mean two classes. And one of them working as a support class when not hunting Walkers, so more like 1½ class.
  • TaldierTaldier Camp Hill, PAPosts: 235Member
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Danwarr
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek

    I don't understand the need to install 3 forms of stealth classes all to make the whiners about stealthers shut up lol

     

    Seems like an awful large complexity for something that can be solved so easily. To each their own. Guarentee people will whine so hard about this system when people start passing through walls and killing them lol. Always something to complain about sigh, don't worry ... be happy.

    3 forms of stealth classes?

    veil walker? veil stalker? camo scout?

    they are all forms of stealth in some form or another. whatever shuts up the complainers i guess go for it MJ

    Veil Stalkers are not "stealth" classes. They spot the Veil walkers which are the only true "stealth" class. MJ has said that the camo for archers/rangers will root them in place and it will be tied to being in cover/foliage/etc.

    So there is only one "stealth" class, and even then it's not 100% invisible.

    I know that rofl.... my point is there are 3 classes designed around the one ability. It's excessive complication to an easier simple solution.

    Your solution being that stealthers just hunt other stealthers.  You are really just missing the point of rock/paper/scissors.

     

    I've played a stealther in just about every MMO I've played, and thats essentially always the dynamic.  Its a fun little mini-game, but its completely unconnected from the rest of the classes.  The only interaction with other classes is either hunting them or avoiding them.  You dont need a whole class to just be an exclusively "solo only" class in PvP.  Especially in a game thats going to have lots of large scale PvP.

     

    Its just a waste of a class to make something thats only good for sneaking around and stabbing solo mages on the outskirts of a fight.  And if you make it stronger than that while just using those traditional stealth mechanics it becomes overpowering and ends up getting nerfed to hell.

     

    Having paper be a different class from scissors seems to work fine.  Not sure why you would complain that rock will exist.

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Axxar
    You mean two classes. And one of them working as a support class when not hunting Walkers, so more like 1½ class.

    No i mean 3, archer, stalker, walker

    They are all 3 types of stealth / interaction required to"make stealth "work".

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Taldier

     

    Your solution being that stealthers just hunt other stealthers.  You are really just missing the point of rock/paper/scissors.

     

    I've played a stealther in just about every MMO I've played, and thats essentially always the dynamic.  Its a fun little mini-game, but its completely unconnected from the rest of the classes.  The only interaction with other classes is either hunting them or avoiding them.  You dont need a whole class to just be an exclusively "solo only" class in PvP.  Especially in a game thats going to have lots of large scale PvP.

     

    Its just a waste of a class to make something thats only good for sneaking around and stabbing solo mages on the outskirts of a fight.  And if you make it stronger than that while just using those traditional stealth mechanics it becomes overpowering and ends up getting nerfed to hell.

     

    Having paper be a different class from scissors seems to work fine.  Not sure why you would complain that rock will exist.

    I don't even know what you're talking about half the time, you make so many assumptions from what people say its insane.

    Some games use stealthers to fight other stealthers, but there has always been abilities given to other classes to be able to help detect them, see ToA Node thing, and Hunter flares , insta Aoe low damage skills etc.

    I never once said this was a stealther mini game.

    Sounds to me from your "mmo experience" you don't like playing a stealther, so don't play one... gg

    Again more assumptions about only taking on solo mages, maybe you shouldn't solo around stealther locations if you're a solo mage? forced interaction is what this games about no? at least a little bit?

    Just because you "THINK" that stealth game is boring and not fun doesn't mean a lot of other people do, so dismissing it outright is obsurd and so selfish lol.

     

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

  • Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Axxar
    You mean two classes. And one of them working as a support class when not hunting Walkers, so more like 1½ class.

    No i mean 3, archer, stalker, walker

    They are all 3 types of stealth / interaction required to"make stealth "work".

    Camouflage isn't involved in the Veil walking mechanic.

  • Niix_OzekNiix_Ozek Calgary, ABPosts: 397Member
    Originally posted by Axxar
    Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
    Originally posted by Axxar
    You mean two classes. And one of them working as a support class when not hunting Walkers, so more like 1½ class.

    No i mean 3, archer, stalker, walker

    They are all 3 types of stealth / interaction required to"make stealth "work".

    Camouflage isn't involved in the Veil walking mechanic.

    [mod edit]

    It's a type of "stealth" a stealth-lite if you will, but its still a type.

    Ozek - DAOC
    Niix - Other games that sucked

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