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  • DrakynnDrakynn Member Posts: 2,030
    Originally posted by maddog15a
    Originally posted by Toxia

    Why not worry about your kids, and let me worry about mine. That's the issue these days, people nosing around where it's none of their business. If their parents are not bothered by it, why would you even care?

    Issue these days?  You do realized that in society worrying about how people raise their kids has been the norm since well recorded history.  Hell we even know that the Vikings would get into a parents business between their children.  It is such a common thing in human culture through out, that it would be almost less human to not worry about how another parent is raising their children.

    Discussion of how to better raise our kids and how tob e better parents are healthy and should occur as should how to protect them from dangers tillt hey are adult enough to look after themselves.

    However trying to shirk parental responsibilites like supervising your kids and limiting their access to material above their age bracket by foisting it unto companies,governments and institutions is not.

    I brought a kid into this world and it's my responsibility to make sure she's not seeing things she's not ready for ,as well as that her activities are safe until she's a responsible adult just as my parents did for me.There are plenty of tools to help me do so and I take the time to always see what she's doing and find out where she is or has sifficient supervision if I can't be there even if it annoys her because that's my duty and my priviledge.

  • GarkanGarkan Member Posts: 552
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by ksternal
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    The game itself is inappropriate for it's target audience, which is not adults. ESRB ratings are guidelines not laws so stop using that lame excuse. Only the worst sorts of heilcopter parents are able to monitor everything their children are doing at all times. The problem isn't the near nudity. The problem is the way it's being presented. The  portrayal of women as over sexualized objects to young people with an as yet underdeveloped understanding of consequences is irresponsible.

    Actually it "IS" up to the parents to be aware because you have to be a adult to even buy this game.  Only a complete idiot of a parent would buy this game without seeing it has a rating of M for Mature then whine and complain that they didn't know or just complain their child is playing it. If parents can't actually take responsiblity for their children when it comes to something as simple as buying the right vidro games for their children they shouldn't have them in the 1st place!!

    You believe a preteen can't buy this game themself? It's F2P.  Can you really be that gullible?

    You can get some good parental control software, you can set it up to either completely block certain things or just keep logs. When I got my 13yr old son a notebook it was on the condition I installed some, he also got some lessons on safe browsing and how to protect himself online. 
     
    Incidentally if I found out he was playing something like Scarlet Blade I would not be all that bothered, I would check out some lets plays to see exactly what was going on but otherwise C-strings and boobies are not a big deal. I would rather him play that than use Xbox live, I refuse to allow him to have it. I do not want him involved in such a hateful, bigoted, homophobic, racist and misogynistic culture.

    Like most posting here I have the advantage of being fairly tech savvy and a gamer, I know how protect him and what games are like and which ones I would not like him playing. I can always play through a game first to see if its suitable too, other parents do not have a clue though. My sister for example didnt know you could set up parental controls on her sons PS3 and she spent loads of time worrying about him getting 18 rated games from friends.

    Currently playing:

    EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)

    Gravity Rush,
    Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.

    (Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
    Company of Heroes II.

  • SimonVDHSimonVDH Member Posts: 178

    Pornographic websites - 4.2 million (12% of total websites)

    Pornographic pages - 420 million

    Daily pornographic search engine requests - 68 million (25% of total search engine requests)

     

    Thank you, have a nice day:)

  • Mamba2Mamba2 Member Posts: 11

    So your statisics prove what? Porn is porn. Games are games.

     

  • BrucyBonusBrucyBonus Member Posts: 220
    Originally posted by Fraught

    So your statisics prove what? Porn is porn. Games are games.

     

    Exactly this.  You can filter porn on a kid's computer.  But most parents do not anticipate that an mmo is thinly (very) veiled porn.  

  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415

    Fingers itching for the Socrates reference..."corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens". 

    Hey, SB devs, are you thirsty? Have you tried Hemlock Energy Driinks?

  • PanzerbasePanzerbase Member Posts: 423
    Another episode of the lazy and worthless parents who can't be bothered to teach their children, rather they would have some decree or worthless piece of paper do the work for them. Just never works out the way they hope it does, their kids tend to be rotten and  destructive since no law can replace an actual human being mentoring a child. 
  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415
    Originally posted by Panzerbase
    Another episode of the lazy and worthless parents who can't be bothered to teach their children, rather they would have some decree or worthless piece of paper do the work for them. Just never works out the way they hope it does, their kids tend to be rotten and  destructive since no law can replace an actual human being mentoring a child. 

    "I am offended by you believing (here, let me tell you what you believe), and how you fail at raising your children (just let me make some guesses about that too).  I win!

  • gekidogekido Member UncommonPosts: 66

    I voted the last one because this thread is and was a complete waste of time.

    If you want to make a change, do something about it!   The only thing being accomplished in this thread is the exact reason games like scarlet blade are so popular.

    So ignorant.... yes, you.

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    Originally posted by anglynndav

    Here is a letter, that wont be read, I sent to the company -

    ------------------------------------------

    I play(ed) Scarlet Blade. I like it b/c it is a sort of tongue in cheek
    silly fun game that happens to be a bit pervy but because it is meant
    for adults that's fine. HOWEVER, the problem is the mass number of
    young kids who are playing. Whether it is level 16 whipper looks like
    she is wearing a strip of duct tape as underwear (or maybe bush, im
    still not sure on that) or the 'puzzles' where a in three wishes u
    have three women on a man who is squeezing the girls breast - I am sure
    this should not be played by kids. AND  your lame birthday check in does not stop
    anyone.

    Think I am exaggerating! See the yellow line in my screen grab. 11 yr
    olds are playing! I am an adult, one who has spent money, I liked the
    idea of a kid free zone.

    ...
    If none of that bothers you (and u are cool with the whole pedo/legal
    thing, ewww), then consider that you have lost paying customers.

    -------------------------------------------

    Yes some parents are bad, but as a gamer community, shouldn't we care as well? I like the idea of an adult game - but if companies are not going to take the underage thing seriously, then dont release them. Scarlet blade is no longer fun for me, it is just sad and the company, well they are rather sad as well.

    ________________________

    EDIT NOTE: I am being selfish here - yes I am not a fan of the pervy + kid = gross thing, but I also really liked the idea of an adult game. I dont want to be anyone elses parent, but am aware that the state (I live in Ca, USA) often takes stuff like this as illigal in any non online related context (we all know the old guys in the state house have no clue about mmo's) there would be arrests. Our lil 7/11 or AM/PM stores could be shut down/fined and the person at the register sent to jail for what this game is doing. Hence I dont want to be a part of this illigal activity either. Like most things in life - it is not a single motivation. To be fair, I thought I should list this as the discussion is really getting into other areas. And for the record I did quit - and, if it matters, I am a girl - well woman anyway. =)

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  • gekidogekido Member UncommonPosts: 66
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,311


    Originally posted by Toxia
    Which is where my point comes in that it isn't any of his or our business what parents let their kids do.

    where do you draw the line? can i let my 10 year old drink and do drugs too? that's cool since i am his parent and its nobody else's concern, right?

    you can tell which people here are parents and which are not. as a parent i totally understand where the OP is coming from but i don't see what they can really do about it, that's the issue IMO.

  • RocketeerRocketeer Member UncommonPosts: 1,303
    Originally posted by gekido
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

    In my country it infact is possible(germany), infact its even pretty easy and there are several ways. I had to go through the process twice recently.

    Once to register a certified email adress that lets me access government related stuff and has all the legal power of signed postal mail letter. The other time when i registered for a local movie streaming service to access 18 rated movies(horror etc, its not one of THOSE movie services, violent movies get on the 18 list FAST here).

     

    Anyway the process is pretty simple. You register with the service you want via internet, enter name adress, age, etc. They then send you mail via a postal service with your data pre printed on it. With that you go to your nearest postal service station, they scan the barcode on the letter and find it in their system. Then the post person asks for your passport and checks wether the information on the preprinted thingy are correct(not just the age, address, nam, everything). If they are it gets countersigned by them, and THEY will deliver it back to the service provider where you applied.

     

    This has several advantages, its not only a age verification system, its also a identity verification system thats alot more reliable than a CC number which really doesn't prove anything but that you have had somehow access to it at some point in time.

    Legally the government mail thingy is also usable as age/identity verification since it is based on the process above and thus inherits the information(its also has two factor authentication and you can't mess with your mail history, so slim chance to use daddies address and gettign away without him noticing). Also even if you somehow get into the system, misusing this to misrepresent your identity is a federal crime. Its on a WHOLE different level than just lieing about your age to some company.

     

    Imho its a pretty neat system, comes pretty handy at times to be able to actually prove that you are who you claim to be on the internet, especially in regards to online banking or contractual stuff.

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by Toxia
    Which is where my point comes in that it isn't any of his or our business what parents let their kids do.

     

    where do you draw the line? can i let my 10 year old drink and do drugs too? that's cool since i am his parent and its nobody else's concern, right?

    you can tell which people here are parents and which are not. as a parent i totally understand where the OP is coming from but i don't see what they can really do about it, that's the issue IMO.

     

    It isnt about who is or who is not a parent, its about asking for the impossible. Even in the real world its easy to lie about your age. Teenagers lie about their age all time, they do it to get beer or go to clubs to see their favorite bands. So how are you going to to enforce an age requirement in a virtual setting when we already have a hard time doing it in a real world setting?

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560

    in western rpg(wow or rift or DDo or eq)  gnome or dwarf or halfling existst without the notion "pedophilia" but in any eastern rpg game if similar race or character type exists (like those 2 chillike races in tera or bns or even this whipper you guys are talking about) you people just jump with your "pedophilia" bandwagon. hipocricy seems like a natural thing in today's gamers. 

    on topic of poll i voted "yes", there are plenty of ways to check for maturity like asking to submit a digital copy of birth certificate. this thing is being done by many SEA publishers. of course they can just give out their parents certificate but then the entire blame is on parents.  

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  • BrucyBonusBrucyBonus Member Posts: 220
    Originally posted by jesteralways

    in western rpg(wow or rift or DDo or eq)  gnome or dwarf or halfling existst without the notion "pedophilia" but in any eastern rpg game if similar race or character type exists (like those 2 chillike races in tera or bns or even this whipper you guys are talking about) you people just jump with your "pedophilia" bandwagon. hipocricy seems like a natural thing in today's gamers. 

    on topic of poll i voted "yes", there are plenty of ways to check for maturity like asking to submit a digital copy of birth certificate. this thing is being done by many SEA publishers. of course they can just give out their parents certificate but then the entire blame is on parents.  

    What?  Those two examples are not even remotely comparable. 

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    Originally posted by Rocketeer
    Originally posted by gekido
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

    In my country it infact is possible(germany), infact its even pretty easy and there are several ways. I had to go through the process twice recently.

    Once to register a certified email adress that lets me access government related stuff and has all the legal power of signed postal mail letter. The other time when i registered for a local movie streaming service to access 18 rated movies(horror etc, its not one of THOSE movie services, violent movies get on the 18 list FAST here).

     

    Anyway the process is pretty simple. You register with the service you want via internet, enter name adress, age, etc. They then send you mail via a postal service with your data pre printed on it. With that you go to your nearest postal service station, they scan the barcode on the letter and find it in their system. Then the post person asks for your passport and checks wether the information on the preprinted thingy are correct(not just the age, address, nam, everything). If they are it gets countersigned by them, and THEY will deliver it back to the service provider where you applied.

     

    This has several advantages, its not only a age verification system, its also a identity verification system thats alot more reliable than a CC number which really doesn't prove anything but that you have had somehow access to it at some point in time.

    Legally the government mail thingy is also usable as age/identity verification since it is based on the process above and thus inherits the information(its also has two factor authentication and you can't mess with your mail history, so slim chance to use daddies address and gettign away without him noticing). Also even if you somehow get into the system, misusing this to misrepresent your identity is a federal crime. Its on a WHOLE different level than just lieing about your age to some company.

     

    Imho its a pretty neat system, comes pretty handy at times to be able to actually prove that you are who you claim to be on the internet, especially in regards to online banking or contractual stuff.

    Im 32 years old(yes this is my real age) I dont own a passport and I never will own a passport. So there goes your idea out the window. In Germany they might monitor you mail history but if the US Government tried to do they you would have Pirvacy Groups filling lawsuits before the ink on the legal document even dried. THere goes another idea out the window. Also the postal official in the US cannot legally ask you for anything, hell the one in my neighborhood wont even give me my mail i have to wait for him/her to put it in my mail box before I can get it. Like you we also have UPS and FedEx but they dont ask for proof of anything they ask if you live at the address and give you what ever package they need to deliver so said address. So there goes another idea out the window. Your running out plausable ideas even though they are decent idea's.

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  • RocketeerRocketeer Member UncommonPosts: 1,303
    Originally posted by akiira69
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by Toxia
    Which is where my point comes in that it isn't any of his or our business what parents let their kids do.

     

    where do you draw the line? can i let my 10 year old drink and do drugs too? that's cool since i am his parent and its nobody else's concern, right?

    you can tell which people here are parents and which are not. as a parent i totally understand where the OP is coming from but i don't see what they can really do about it, that's the issue IMO.

     

    It isnt about who is or who is not a parent, its about asking for the impossible. Even in the real world its easy to lie about your age. Teenagers lie about their age all time, they do it to get beer or go to clubs to see their favorite bands. So how are you going to to enforce an age requirement in a virtual setting when we already have a hard time doing it in a real world setting?

    In my country we hand out slips of paper(well plastic actually these days) where your name, address, age and a picture of you is printed upon. You are requied to carry them with you at all times and show them if you want to buy age restricted stuff or enter age restricted premises.

    Sure, kids still get alcohol or tobacco here, mostly via older friends that are legal age. But that way you always have an adult at hand to punish. And getting into age restricted premises is HARD since the club owner will be punished for it, so they are "encouraging" the bouncers to vet young looking adults properly.

  • botrytisbotrytis Member RarePosts: 3,363
    Originally posted by akiira69
    Originally posted by Rocketeer
    Originally posted by gekido
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

    In my country it infact is possible(germany), infact its even pretty easy and there are several ways. I had to go through the process twice recently.

    Once to register a certified email adress that lets me access government related stuff and has all the legal power of signed postal mail letter. The other time when i registered for a local movie streaming service to access 18 rated movies(horror etc, its not one of THOSE movie services, violent movies get on the 18 list FAST here).

     

    Anyway the process is pretty simple. You register with the service you want via internet, enter name adress, age, etc. They then send you mail via a postal service with your data pre printed on it. With that you go to your nearest postal service station, they scan the barcode on the letter and find it in their system. Then the post person asks for your passport and checks wether the information on the preprinted thingy are correct(not just the age, address, nam, everything). If they are it gets countersigned by them, and THEY will deliver it back to the service provider where you applied.

     

    This has several advantages, its not only a age verification system, its also a identity verification system thats alot more reliable than a CC number which really doesn't prove anything but that you have had somehow access to it at some point in time.

    Legally the government mail thingy is also usable as age/identity verification since it is based on the process above and thus inherits the information(its also has two factor authentication and you can't mess with your mail history, so slim chance to use daddies address and gettign away without him noticing). Also even if you somehow get into the system, misusing this to misrepresent your identity is a federal crime. Its on a WHOLE different level than just lieing about your age to some company.

     

    Imho its a pretty neat system, comes pretty handy at times to be able to actually prove that you are who you claim to be on the internet, especially in regards to online banking or contractual stuff.

    Im 32 years old(yes this is my real age) I dont own a passport and I never will own a passport. So there goes your idea out the window. In Germany they might monitor you mail history but if the US Government tried to do they you would have Pirvacy Groups filling lawsuits before the ink on the legal document even dried. THere goes another idea out the window. Also the postal official in the US cannot legally ask you for anything, hell the one in my neighborhood wont even give me my mail i have to wait for him/her to put it in my mail box before I can get it. Like you we also have UPS and FedEx but they dont ask for proof of anything they ask if you live at the address and give you what ever package they need to deliver so said address. So there goes another idea out the window. Your running out plausable ideas even though they are decent idea's.

    AHH, the US government already does go through email,  cell phone records, etc. It is all to get the big bad terrorists.

     

    You can get your mail, but usually they only give it to you at your door.

     

    Yes, there was a terrible event in Boston, but I hope that does not push government monitoring even further.


  • BrucyBonusBrucyBonus Member Posts: 220
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by akiira69
    Originally posted by Rocketeer
    Originally posted by gekido
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

    In my country it infact is possible(germany), infact its even pretty easy and there are several ways. I had to go through the process twice recently.

    Once to register a certified email adress that lets me access government related stuff and has all the legal power of signed postal mail letter. The other time when i registered for a local movie streaming service to access 18 rated movies(horror etc, its not one of THOSE movie services, violent movies get on the 18 list FAST here).

     

    Anyway the process is pretty simple. You register with the service you want via internet, enter name adress, age, etc. They then send you mail via a postal service with your data pre printed on it. With that you go to your nearest postal service station, they scan the barcode on the letter and find it in their system. Then the post person asks for your passport and checks wether the information on the preprinted thingy are correct(not just the age, address, nam, everything). If they are it gets countersigned by them, and THEY will deliver it back to the service provider where you applied.

     

    This has several advantages, its not only a age verification system, its also a identity verification system thats alot more reliable than a CC number which really doesn't prove anything but that you have had somehow access to it at some point in time.

    Legally the government mail thingy is also usable as age/identity verification since it is based on the process above and thus inherits the information(its also has two factor authentication and you can't mess with your mail history, so slim chance to use daddies address and gettign away without him noticing). Also even if you somehow get into the system, misusing this to misrepresent your identity is a federal crime. Its on a WHOLE different level than just lieing about your age to some company.

     

    Imho its a pretty neat system, comes pretty handy at times to be able to actually prove that you are who you claim to be on the internet, especially in regards to online banking or contractual stuff.

    Im 32 years old(yes this is my real age) I dont own a passport and I never will own a passport. So there goes your idea out the window. In Germany they might monitor you mail history but if the US Government tried to do they you would have Pirvacy Groups filling lawsuits before the ink on the legal document even dried. THere goes another idea out the window. Also the postal official in the US cannot legally ask you for anything, hell the one in my neighborhood wont even give me my mail i have to wait for him/her to put it in my mail box before I can get it. Like you we also have UPS and FedEx but they dont ask for proof of anything they ask if you live at the address and give you what ever package they need to deliver so said address. So there goes another idea out the window. Your running out plausable ideas even though they are decent idea's.

    AHH, the US government already does go through email,  cell phone records, etc. It is all to get the big bad terrorists.

     

    You can get your mail, but usually they only give it to you at your door.

     

    Yes, there was a terrible event in Boston, but I hope that does not push government monitoring even further.

    It is the same in the UK.  The police are not allowed to look at phone/ e-mail accounts unless it is under the Terrorism Act.  Ashame the Terrorism Act is abused to catch petty theives and has resulted in no arrests of Terrorists. 

  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    Originally posted by BrucyBonus
    Originally posted by jesteralways

    in western rpg(wow or rift or DDo or eq)  gnome or dwarf or halfling existst without the notion "pedophilia" but in any eastern rpg game if similar race or character type exists (like those 2 chillike races in tera or bns or even this whipper you guys are talking about) you people just jump with your "pedophilia" bandwagon. hipocricy seems like a natural thing in today's gamers. 

    on topic of poll i voted "yes", there are plenty of ways to check for maturity like asking to submit a digital copy of birth certificate. this thing is being done by many SEA publishers. of course they can just give out their parents certificate but then the entire blame is on parents.  

    What?  Those to examples are not even remotely comparable. 

    =))))))))))))))))

    Totally does not look like a toddler with tits, right?

    Don't even get me started on halflings whom in most fiction look like pre-teens with tits.

     

    The denial with people these days is strong.

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  • BrucyBonusBrucyBonus Member Posts: 220
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by BrucyBonus
    Originally posted by jesteralways

    in western rpg(wow or rift or DDo or eq)  gnome or dwarf or halfling existst without the notion "pedophilia" but in any eastern rpg game if similar race or character type exists (like those 2 chillike races in tera or bns or even this whipper you guys are talking about) you people just jump with your "pedophilia" bandwagon. hipocricy seems like a natural thing in today's gamers. 

    on topic of poll i voted "yes", there are plenty of ways to check for maturity like asking to submit a digital copy of birth certificate. this thing is being done by many SEA publishers. of course they can just give out their parents certificate but then the entire blame is on parents.  

    What?  Those to examples are not even remotely comparable. 

    =))))))))))))))))

    Totally does not look like a toddler with tits, right?

    Don't even get me started on halflings whom in most fiction look like pre-teens with tits.

     

    The denial with people these days is strong.

    haha. That post is hilarious.  hahaha 

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by akiira69
    Originally posted by Rocketeer
    Originally posted by gekido
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

    In my country it infact is possible(germany), infact its even pretty easy and there are several ways. I had to go through the process twice recently.

    Once to register a certified email adress that lets me access government related stuff and has all the legal power of signed postal mail letter. The other time when i registered for a local movie streaming service to access 18 rated movies(horror etc, its not one of THOSE movie services, violent movies get on the 18 list FAST here).

     

    Anyway the process is pretty simple. You register with the service you want via internet, enter name adress, age, etc. They then send you mail via a postal service with your data pre printed on it. With that you go to your nearest postal service station, they scan the barcode on the letter and find it in their system. Then the post person asks for your passport and checks wether the information on the preprinted thingy are correct(not just the age, address, nam, everything). If they are it gets countersigned by them, and THEY will deliver it back to the service provider where you applied.

     

    This has several advantages, its not only a age verification system, its also a identity verification system thats alot more reliable than a CC number which really doesn't prove anything but that you have had somehow access to it at some point in time.

    Legally the government mail thingy is also usable as age/identity verification since it is based on the process above and thus inherits the information(its also has two factor authentication and you can't mess with your mail history, so slim chance to use daddies address and gettign away without him noticing). Also even if you somehow get into the system, misusing this to misrepresent your identity is a federal crime. Its on a WHOLE different level than just lieing about your age to some company.

     

    Imho its a pretty neat system, comes pretty handy at times to be able to actually prove that you are who you claim to be on the internet, especially in regards to online banking or contractual stuff.

    Im 32 years old(yes this is my real age) I dont own a passport and I never will own a passport. So there goes your idea out the window. In Germany they might monitor you mail history but if the US Government tried to do they you would have Pirvacy Groups filling lawsuits before the ink on the legal document even dried. THere goes another idea out the window. Also the postal official in the US cannot legally ask you for anything, hell the one in my neighborhood wont even give me my mail i have to wait for him/her to put it in my mail box before I can get it. Like you we also have UPS and FedEx but they dont ask for proof of anything they ask if you live at the address and give you what ever package they need to deliver so said address. So there goes another idea out the window. Your running out plausable ideas even though they are decent idea's.

    AHH, the US government already does go through email,  cell phone records, etc. It is all to get the big bad terrorists.

     

    You can get your mail, but usually they only give it to you at your door.

     

    Yes, there was a terrible event in Boston, but I hope that does not push government monitoring even further.


    Email and Cell Phone records are different from snail mail there is a log kept for those transactions but phyiscal mail(or snail mail like some call it) in the US is different. There is no log kept of that, atleast not in the US. Also in the US there are 2 types of address a Physical Location(a house, Aprtment, Condo) and a PO Box both are valid forms of address which majority of companies that operate in the US accept. Different countries have different rules for mail and how it is monitored. Like I said your ideas are good but they arent plausable.

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  • RocketeerRocketeer Member UncommonPosts: 1,303
    Originally posted by akiira69
    Originally posted by Rocketeer
    Originally posted by gekido
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

    In my country it infact is possible(germany), infact its even pretty easy and there are several ways. I had to go through the process twice recently.

    Once to register a certified email adress that lets me access government related stuff and has all the legal power of signed postal mail letter. The other time when i registered for a local movie streaming service to access 18 rated movies(horror etc, its not one of THOSE movie services, violent movies get on the 18 list FAST here).

     

    Anyway the process is pretty simple. You register with the service you want via internet, enter name adress, age, etc. They then send you mail via a postal service with your data pre printed on it. With that you go to your nearest postal service station, they scan the barcode on the letter and find it in their system. Then the post person asks for your passport and checks wether the information on the preprinted thingy are correct(not just the age, address, nam, everything). If they are it gets countersigned by them, and THEY will deliver it back to the service provider where you applied.

     

    This has several advantages, its not only a age verification system, its also a identity verification system thats alot more reliable than a CC number which really doesn't prove anything but that you have had somehow access to it at some point in time.

    Legally the government mail thingy is also usable as age/identity verification since it is based on the process above and thus inherits the information(its also has two factor authentication and you can't mess with your mail history, so slim chance to use daddies address and gettign away without him noticing). Also even if you somehow get into the system, misusing this to misrepresent your identity is a federal crime. Its on a WHOLE different level than just lieing about your age to some company.

     

    Imho its a pretty neat system, comes pretty handy at times to be able to actually prove that you are who you claim to be on the internet, especially in regards to online banking or contractual stuff.

    Im 32 years old(yes this is my real age) I dont own a passport and I never will own a passport. So there goes your idea out the window. In Germany they might monitor you mail history but if the US Government tried to do they you would have Pirvacy Groups filling lawsuits before the ink on the legal document even dried. THere goes another idea out the window. Also the postal official in the US cannot legally ask you for anything, hell the one in my neighborhood wont even give me my mail i have to wait for him/her to put it in my mail box before I can get it. Like you we also have UPS and FedEx but they dont ask for proof of anything they ask if you live at the address and give you what ever package they need to deliver so said address. So there goes another idea out the window. Your running out plausable ideas even though they are decent idea's.

    1. But you could get an passport if you wanted one, like if it was needed to verify your identity for a service you wanted.

    2. Germany doesn't monitor mail history. They monitor a certain certified digital mail service. They have too since the recipent doesn't has a physical letter with your signature on it. If the government wouldn't monitor it, you could just pretend you never send that letter and say the recipent made the stuff up. In other words we would be back to digital mails having no legal power since they are not proveable.

    3. Postal service in germany don't ASK you something. You ask them to verify your identity to the recipent of the letter you just handed them. Its a service, and your initiating it.

    4. UPS and FedEX will ask for verification in my country if the sender requires it. Even if your living at the address and claim to be the recipent. They will keep politely asking for verification before handing off the letter or package. Of course you don't HAVE to give them your verification, just as they don't HAVE to give you the package/letter.

     

    From point 3 onward it isn't even about laws, you could regulate that with company policies alone. What you need in your country is a DEMAND for it, once there is a DEMAND corporation will aim to fill it and ask the legislature for help in doing so.

    Considering the difference in our postal systems i don't think they would be a viable choice as a identification 3rd party. But for example the same procedure could be just as well done with your bank. You get a legal letter with your data as you entered on it, you go with it to your bank, they verify you are you and basicly send a "OK" to the service provider and charge him 10$ for it or something.

    Another way would be using notary services, i know you have those aswell, more expensive but certainly possible. Police stations could potentially be used aswell, and aslong as YOU are asking them to identify YOURSELF to XY there isn't a privacy problem either. Charge something for it and the state even gets some nice money out of it.

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    Originally posted by Rocketeer
    Originally posted by akiira69
    Originally posted by Rocketeer
    Originally posted by gekido
    Originally posted by akiira69

     

    Here is a question for you: How would you be able to confirm if someone is actually 18 years of age or older? The internet is the easiest place to lie about everything. You can lie about your age, race, gender, religious teachings, political ideology, hell even where you live. There is no serious way to confirm anything in an online setting. So how would you confirm something that is impossible to confirm?

    It's impossible.  This is a thread to complain for the sake of complaining.

    Kind of like those lazy *** people that sit around all day and complain about worldly events.  They wouldn't even know where to begin to have an effect on the outcome of the situations, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from being experts.

    In my country it infact is possible(germany), infact its even pretty easy and there are several ways. I had to go through the process twice recently.

    Once to register a certified email adress that lets me access government related stuff and has all the legal power of signed postal mail letter. The other time when i registered for a local movie streaming service to access 18 rated movies(horror etc, its not one of THOSE movie services, violent movies get on the 18 list FAST here).

     

    Anyway the process is pretty simple. You register with the service you want via internet, enter name adress, age, etc. They then send you mail via a postal service with your data pre printed on it. With that you go to your nearest postal service station, they scan the barcode on the letter and find it in their system. Then the post person asks for your passport and checks wether the information on the preprinted thingy are correct(not just the age, address, nam, everything). If they are it gets countersigned by them, and THEY will deliver it back to the service provider where you applied.

     

    This has several advantages, its not only a age verification system, its also a identity verification system thats alot more reliable than a CC number which really doesn't prove anything but that you have had somehow access to it at some point in time.

    Legally the government mail thingy is also usable as age/identity verification since it is based on the process above and thus inherits the information(its also has two factor authentication and you can't mess with your mail history, so slim chance to use daddies address and gettign away without him noticing). Also even if you somehow get into the system, misusing this to misrepresent your identity is a federal crime. Its on a WHOLE different level than just lieing about your age to some company.

     

    Imho its a pretty neat system, comes pretty handy at times to be able to actually prove that you are who you claim to be on the internet, especially in regards to online banking or contractual stuff.

    Im 32 years old(yes this is my real age) I dont own a passport and I never will own a passport. So there goes your idea out the window. In Germany they might monitor you mail history but if the US Government tried to do they you would have Pirvacy Groups filling lawsuits before the ink on the legal document even dried. THere goes another idea out the window. Also the postal official in the US cannot legally ask you for anything, hell the one in my neighborhood wont even give me my mail i have to wait for him/her to put it in my mail box before I can get it. Like you we also have UPS and FedEx but they dont ask for proof of anything they ask if you live at the address and give you what ever package they need to deliver so said address. So there goes another idea out the window. Your running out plausable ideas even though they are decent idea's.

    1. But you could get an passport if you wanted one, like if it was needed to verify your identity for a service you wanted.

    2. Germany doesn't monitor mail history. They monitor a certain certified digital mail service. They have too since the recipent doesn't has a physical letter with your signature on it. If the government wouldn't monitor it, you could just pretend you never send that letter and say the recipent made the stuff up. In other words we would be back to digital mails having no legal power since they are not proveable.

    3. Postal service in germany don't ASK you something. You ask them to verify your identity to the recipent of the letter you just handed them. Its a service, and your initiating it.

    4. UPS and FedEX will ask for verification in my country if the sender requires it. Even if your living at the address and claim to be the recipent. They will keep politely asking for verification before handing off the letter or package. Of course you don't HAVE to give them your verification, just as they don't HAVE to give you the package/letter.

     

    From point 3 onward it isn't even about laws, you could regulate that with company policies alone. What you need in your country is a DEMAND for it, once there is a DEMAND corporation will aim to fill it and ask the legislature for help in doing so.

    Considering the difference in our postal systems i don't think they would be a viable choice as a identification 3rd party. But for example the same procedure could be just as well done with your bank. You get a legal letter with your data as you entered on it, you go with it to your bank, they verify you are you and basicly send a "OK" to the service provider and charge him 10$ for it or something.

    Another way would be using notary services, i know you have those aswell, more expensive but certainly possible. Police stations could potentially be used aswell, and aslong as YOU are asking them to identify YOURSELF to XY there isn't a privacy problem either. Charge something for it and the state even gets some nice money out of it.

    In Germany that might be true about no privacy concerns but in the US the Privacy Groups have a bit more bite to their bark. Let me give you a recent example from where I live. In California the State Government tried to pass a law that would have all of a persons personal info before stored on their State ID to try to prevent teenagers from creating fake ID's to get beer and cigarette's. Two Days after this info hit the news media several privacy groups started filling lawsuits against the state legislature to prevent the law from being passed. Needless to say it didnt pass at all. At the federal level Hollywood and some video game developers tried to pass a law called SOPA(Stop Online Piracy Act) and PIPA(Protect Intellectual Property Act). Which after an out cry from privacy groups and some major coorperations never became law. If a Video Game Developer in the US tried to make it so you had to have a Passport to play a game, the game would never be released in the US because the Privacy Groups would stop it from happening. Also as far as I know there is no Certified Electronic Mail System in place for the US. And standard email service providers(Google, Yahoo, Outlook) dont require proof of anything to create an email. account. SUre Google asks for a cell phone number but that is as a backup incase you forget your password not as proof of identity.

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

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