Originally posted by Burntvet Syfy is the network that puts out such great titles as Sharktopus and Atomic Cyclone... their standards can not be considered high. That said, for any future seasons, it is all about production cost, and that like any network, they don't want to spend the money for a show getting average ratings. They have previously canceled several of their better series for this reason. Personally, having played the beta, I think the game will run out of steam before the show does, it is too bloody shallow.
Their standards for movies isn't high. Their standards for shows and miniseries are more or less through the roof. Look at Face Off. Look at Ghost Hunters. Look at Warehouse 13. Look at Battlestar Galactica. However, I kinda have to agree with you on the cancelation part, but while the shows are on the air, they are just gold.
Personally I rate Syfy at no better than 50/50 on series. Ghost Hunters, good? Please... among the worst so-called reality crap on television (And I always think of the spoof on Supernatural when I see it). SGU was not good, Quantum Kitchen, gone. The list goes on. For every "good" show they have, they have at least one bad one... and more often than not the good one gets canceled due to production costs. So, even if Defiance does end up being "good", and not an over the top CGI crap fest, chances are just as good it will get canceled anyway.
We all knew and know that TV shows aren't gauranteed a second season. This isn't something knew or unheard of. Every new TV series has a chance of being cancelled. This goes for any show. Why is this suddenly some ground breaking revalation for some?
I hope I cleared this up for you guys.
Ground breaking revelation? did i give you that impression any where in my post? all i am saying that is that instead of relying on second season (unless they are 100% positive that second season will happen) they should have more tie ups in place in first season so that Defiance players get a chance to experince the cross over in case the show is canned after season 1.
Yes, the news that a show could get cancelled after the first season seemed to be something you had never considered before.
In any case... they plan to have the story mission tie-ins once a week. If they show only airs once a week how can they have more? You are going to get to experience the very first tie-in April15th if you've done the story mission that is.
The show tie-in with the game was never in question. It exists and will continue to exist even if its just through the first season. The only thing that is up in the air is the game impacting the show since it requires a second season to do so.
As far as the show getting canceled goes. Odd little thing to keep in mind. Syfy actually invested in the game. Defiance is not only going to be bringing in revenue through the traditional commercial dollars but they are also getting a cut off of the profits from the game. The show has a better shot at a second season than most.
For the third and and the last time....i know show can get canceled after one season but that is not what my post was about. My concerns are more about tie ups being set up with season 2. From whatever i have read so far season 1 of tv show will only have glimpse of connections with the game and nothing major.
We all knew and know that TV shows aren't gauranteed a second season. This isn't something knew or unheard of. Every new TV series has a chance of being cancelled. This goes for any show. Why is this suddenly some ground breaking revalation for some?
I hope I cleared this up for you guys.
Ground breaking revelation? did i give you that impression any where in my post? all i am saying that is that instead of relying on second season (unless they are 100% positive that second season will happen) they should have more tie ups in place in first season so that Defiance players get a chance to experince the cross over in case the show is canned after season 1.
Yes, the news that a show could get cancelled after the first season seemed to be something you had never considered before.
In any case... they plan to have the story mission tie-ins once a week. If they show only airs once a week how can they have more? You are going to get to experience the very first tie-in April15th if you've done the story mission that is.
The show tie-in with the game was never in question. It exists and will continue to exist even if its just through the first season. The only thing that is up in the air is the game impacting the show since it requires a second season to do so.
As far as the show getting canceled goes. Odd little thing to keep in mind. Syfy actually invested in the game. Defiance is not only going to be bringing in revenue through the traditional commercial dollars but they are also getting a cut off of the profits from the game. The show has a better shot at a second season than most.
For the third and and the last time....i know show can get canceled after one season but that is not what my post was about. My concerns are more about tie ups being set up with season 2. From whatever i have read so far season 1 of tv show will only have glimpse of connections with the game and nothing major.
They are banking a lot on renewal of season 2.
Ahh, I think I get it now. You are looking at the tie in as a one way street and picking the side with the least traffic lol. Sorry, no the big selling point isn't what effect the game will have on the show its actually the other way around. The effect on the second season has always been viewed as a bonus thing from what I've seen.
The goal of Syfy and Trion is to make it so that you can play the game without watching the show and watch the show without playing the game. At the same time they want to reward those doing both with the Story mission tie-ins which are going to happen on a weekly basis.
Sorry, I guess thats where your confusion stems from. The focus of the tie-in has always been how the show will effect the game. The effect the game will have on the second season is simply a bonus should it happen.
Trion is banking a lot on the game, Syfy is banking a lot on the game and the show.
And again since you seem to keep missing this point... Defiance has a greater shot at a second season than most new TV shows. Syfy is double dipping here by getting revenue from the game and from the normal advertising dollars.
So... take that how you will my friend. I can't lay things out any clearer than that.
First of all, IGN has some of the worse reporting, but the best funding. They have highly biased views, and will throw a good review to anyone for a price.
That said, everything you listed is pue speculation. Yes, they do not know ifthere will be a second season, niether did The Walking Dead at the time before the show launched. The same can be said for just about every TV show ever made. They do not start filming multi-million dollar sequels before they know if the first season was a failure, or a success.
As for content, the story has been written out for several years worth of content, if the TV show fails, it does not mean that the game will no longer get content, they will still be able to release new content. The game was designed to run stand alone just in case.
The developers of the game, and the producers of the show both planned out worst case scenerios.
As for the game, I feel I have already just about gotten my $60 dollars out of it, other then some typical launch time problems such as server issues, I have a had a lot of fun.
Love it? Nah, enjoying it? Hell yes.
$60 dollars may seem like a lot of money to some people, but honestly that is only 15 gallons of gas, 12 hours worth of movies at a theater, 12 Mocha Frapacinos, 1 night out at Red Lobster, a hand job behind the casino...
$60 bucks doesn't buy as much as it used to, sure the economy sucks, but it's just a game, if you don't think you will like it, don't buy it. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
Troll on Volgore, I'm sure you have deterred at least a couple forum members, pushed them over to the Hater side with you, even though they may have enjoyed the game if they hadn't read one of your post.
Actually I believe you are the "hater." Typical fanboy responses get old., you guys chime in like clockwork anytime someone actually tries to let people know how a game really is without all the hyperbole. This game has it's moments of fun, I greatly enjoyed the storyline and it was like participating in a tv show. Really cool concept. However the game has so many issues that detract from the fun that actually border on game breaking for some, of which I am one.
PvP is atrocious, bunny hopping cloaked shotgunners do not equal good Pvp.
Completely broken chat system. Absolutely unforgivable in a game sold as an MMO. I know they have siad they will fix this but it upsets me that we told them chat sucked back in Alpha and yet it's still untouched.
Co-Op play is as buggy as it gets. I played a few rounds with friends and every single time at least 1-2 of us crashed. Which in turn forced everyone to wait. A couple of times personally after a crash I wasn't able to even get back in to the game.
Graphic, while not horrible, are barely passable in this day and age. While I'm not a person that would refuse to play a game with sub-par graphics if the game play made up for it. But in the case of Definace the gameplay piece is highly debateable.
The UI was built entirely for console gamers. While I can usually deal with that (I guess) in this case it makes PC users feel like second class citizens. When a game forces you to go-online just to figure out how to log out of a game, you know you have a poor desing.
Inventory is poorly implemented simply because to do anything it takes tons of clicks. I have learned to deal with it and it isn't a game breaker but more of an annoyance.
The EGO system is poorly layed out and it's overall impact on player development is negligible. I went from EGO 1 to 200 before ever putting a point into the matrix (something I did because during beta I suspected these perks were less than helpful) and I found that when I did apply all the points and activate the perks I didn't kill mobs faster and I took the same damage. I literally couldn't see a difference.
There are lots more things that baffle me about the game but those are some of my bigger issues. So please put your head back in the sand and tell yourself this game is fine as is, playable for the long haul and worth your $60. For the rest of us that look at teh game objectively we will continue to feel ripped off not just of money but the chance to play a game that had the potential to be fun and different.
I still want to try the game, but honestly IGN is not the only site saying this about the show/game crossover. I'm simply not that interested in the show, that's all, so it doesn't affect my decision to play the game or not.
Originally posted by Eir_S I still want to try the game, but honestly IGN is not the only site saying this about the show/game crossover. I'm simply not that interested in the show, that's all, so it doesn't affect my decision to play the game or not.
According to the producers (article from IGN) 75 to 80% of show has nothing to do with the game. So you can enjoy the game if you are not interested in the show. However, i would suggest to wait and not buy the game yet. Atleast not till they drop this new patch on 15th.
Also better idea would be to wait for more reviews and see the over all scores it gets.
First of all, IGN has some of the worse reporting, but the best funding. They have highly biased views, and will throw a good review to anyone for a price.
That said, everything you listed is pue speculation. Yes, they do not know ifthere will be a second season, niether did The Walking Dead at the time before the show launched. The same can be said for just about every TV show ever made. They do not start filming multi-million dollar sequels before they know if the first season was a failure, or a success.
As for content, the story has been written out for several years worth of content, if the TV show fails, it does not mean that the game will no longer get content, they will still be able to release new content. The game was designed to run stand alone just in case.
The developers of the game, and the producers of the show both planned out worst case scenerios.
As for the game, I feel I have already just about gotten my $60 dollars out of it, other then some typical launch time problems such as server issues, I have a had a lot of fun.
Love it? Nah, enjoying it? Hell yes.
$60 dollars may seem like a lot of money to some people, but honestly that is only 15 gallons of gas, 12 hours worth of movies at a theater, 12 Mocha Frapacinos, 1 night out at Red Lobster, a hand job behind the casino...
$60 bucks doesn't buy as much as it used to, sure the economy sucks, but it's just a game, if you don't think you will like it, don't buy it. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
Troll on Volgore, I'm sure you have deterred at least a couple forum members, pushed them over to the Hater side with you, even though they may have enjoyed the game if they hadn't read one of your post.
Actually I believe you are the "hater." Typical fanboy responses get old., you guys chime in like clockwork anytime someone actually tries to let people know how a game really is without all the hyperbole. This game has it's moments of fun, I greatly enjoyed the storyline and it was like participating in a tv show. Really cool concept. However the game has so many issues that detract from the fun that actually border on game breaking for some, of which I am one.
PvP is atrocious, bunny hopping cloaked shotgunners do not equal good Pvp.
Completely broken chat system. Absolutely unforgivable in a game sold as an MMO. I know they have siad they will fix this but it upsets me that we told them chat sucked back in Alpha and yet it's still untouched.
Co-Op play is as buggy as it gets. I played a few rounds with friends and every single time at least 1-2 of us crashed. Which in turn forced everyone to wait. A couple of times personally after a crash I wasn't able to even get back in to the game.
Graphic, while not horrible, are barely passable in this day and age. While I'm not a person that would refuse to play a game with sub-par graphics if the game play made up for it. But in the case of Definace the gameplay piece is highly debateable.
The UI was built entirely for console gamers. While I can usually deal with that (I guess) in this case it makes PC users feel like second class citizens. When a game forces you to go-online just to figure out how to log out of a game, you know you have a poor desing.
Inventory is poorly implemented simply because to do anything it takes tons of clicks. I have learned to deal with it and it isn't a game breaker but more of an annoyance.
The EGO system is poorly layed out and it's overall impact on player development is negligible. I went from EGO 1 to 200 before ever putting a point into the matrix (something I did because during beta I suspected these perks were less than helpful) and I found that when I did apply all the points and activate the perks I didn't kill mobs faster and I took the same damage. I literally couldn't see a difference.
There are lots more things that baffle me about the game but those are some of my bigger issues. So please put your head back in the sand and tell yourself this game is fine as is, playable for the long haul and worth your $60. For the rest of us that look at teh game objectively we will continue to feel ripped off not just of money but the chance to play a game that had the potential to be fun and different.
Dude it's B2P and only cost $60. If you get a week of casual game play that is well worth the money. I'm mean even if you quit you can always go back without having to spend a dime. That fact only makes it worth the small fee. Stop with your 10 post "I'm gonna crush Defiance crusade!"
We get it. You don't like the game and feel cheated out of your $80. If $80 (because you bought the season pass) is that big of a hit for you then you probably shouldn't be gaming anyways. But the fact remains that you yourself stated that many of the issues your having had been there since Alpha. Yet you went out and purchased the game knowing this.
You want to get pissed off at anyone blame yourself. Trion can't be blamed for ignorance.
The whole innovation here is that the game and TV series have been developed together. Rather than one being a success and the other one following. The tie-in will be the odd character from the show appearing in the game, perhaps similar storylines or quest lines that slightly overlap. Perhaps the chance for your game character to appear in the show at a later date (next season if there is one). But the game and the show are really separate entities. As such one might do really well while the other fails, but I am hoping both do well.
The big thing with this is making sure they each compliment one another. I am already down with a bit of the lore because of the game. I want to know more about the Arks, the Aliens, the Arktech. A science fiction show normally does well the deeper it is, the more things have been thought through and worked out. That is where Defiance has impressed me so far as a game. Has all the makings of a decent new sci-fi franchise.
I was excited when I first heard about the new Defiance TV (Sci-Fi) series. However, after seeing the trailer for it I was very disapointed. The CGI looked bad, I will still watch it because I have a weak spot for this genre.
@DMKano: Just because it is shot doesn't mean they have to air them all if it bombs viewer wise. I can name many a shows that stopped being aired after 6 episodes and they had whole seasons shot and more planned. Just saying.
The president of SyFy stated in a panel discussion in a direct answer to an audience member about Defiance getting pulled after several episodes, and he said - not this time, the whole session is filmed and that SyFy will show the first full season.
I have faith that Defiance the show will do well, but you never know, there are no guarantees no matter what anyone says. I'll be watching, that much I know.
There is some concrete rumors that Firefly is coming back...
VERY doubtful, once again we come back to cost per episode. I mean technically you could bring it back with a new cast of totally unknown actors, and keep the costs reasonable, however considering the stardom of some of the original cast now, you could never get them back for a reasonable amout of money.
I think Syfy and Trion may have been over selling this all "one will affect the other" thing. The production cycle for a MMO game and a TV series is impossible to match with each other to produce content and experience that people think they are gonna get. The best they can do is to have the time line of certain events coincide with each other and perhaps one or two crossover per season. That good enough for me, but for the overhyped fans it will be a huge letdown when they find out it's not really THAT cool.
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Their standards for movies isn't high. Their standards for shows and miniseries are more or less through the roof. Look at Face Off. Look at Ghost Hunters. Look at Warehouse 13. Look at Battlestar Galactica. However, I kinda have to agree with you on the cancelation part, but while the shows are on the air, they are just gold.
Personally I rate Syfy at no better than 50/50 on series. Ghost Hunters, good? Please... among the worst so-called reality crap on television (And I always think of the spoof on Supernatural when I see it). SGU was not good, Quantum Kitchen, gone. The list goes on. For every "good" show they have, they have at least one bad one... and more often than not the good one gets canceled due to production costs. So, even if Defiance does end up being "good", and not an over the top CGI crap fest, chances are just as good it will get canceled anyway.For the third and and the last time....i know show can get canceled after one season but that is not what my post was about. My concerns are more about tie ups being set up with season 2. From whatever i have read so far season 1 of tv show will only have glimpse of connections with the game and nothing major.
They are banking a lot on renewal of season 2.
Ahh, I think I get it now. You are looking at the tie in as a one way street and picking the side with the least traffic lol. Sorry, no the big selling point isn't what effect the game will have on the show its actually the other way around. The effect on the second season has always been viewed as a bonus thing from what I've seen.
The goal of Syfy and Trion is to make it so that you can play the game without watching the show and watch the show without playing the game. At the same time they want to reward those doing both with the Story mission tie-ins which are going to happen on a weekly basis.
Sorry, I guess thats where your confusion stems from. The focus of the tie-in has always been how the show will effect the game. The effect the game will have on the second season is simply a bonus should it happen.
Trion is banking a lot on the game, Syfy is banking a lot on the game and the show.
And again since you seem to keep missing this point... Defiance has a greater shot at a second season than most new TV shows. Syfy is double dipping here by getting revenue from the game and from the normal advertising dollars.
So... take that how you will my friend. I can't lay things out any clearer than that.
Actually I believe you are the "hater." Typical fanboy responses get old., you guys chime in like clockwork anytime someone actually tries to let people know how a game really is without all the hyperbole. This game has it's moments of fun, I greatly enjoyed the storyline and it was like participating in a tv show. Really cool concept. However the game has so many issues that detract from the fun that actually border on game breaking for some, of which I am one.
PvP is atrocious, bunny hopping cloaked shotgunners do not equal good Pvp.
Completely broken chat system. Absolutely unforgivable in a game sold as an MMO. I know they have siad they will fix this but it upsets me that we told them chat sucked back in Alpha and yet it's still untouched.
Co-Op play is as buggy as it gets. I played a few rounds with friends and every single time at least 1-2 of us crashed. Which in turn forced everyone to wait. A couple of times personally after a crash I wasn't able to even get back in to the game.
Graphic, while not horrible, are barely passable in this day and age. While I'm not a person that would refuse to play a game with sub-par graphics if the game play made up for it. But in the case of Definace the gameplay piece is highly debateable.
The UI was built entirely for console gamers. While I can usually deal with that (I guess) in this case it makes PC users feel like second class citizens. When a game forces you to go-online just to figure out how to log out of a game, you know you have a poor desing.
Inventory is poorly implemented simply because to do anything it takes tons of clicks. I have learned to deal with it and it isn't a game breaker but more of an annoyance.
The EGO system is poorly layed out and it's overall impact on player development is negligible. I went from EGO 1 to 200 before ever putting a point into the matrix (something I did because during beta I suspected these perks were less than helpful) and I found that when I did apply all the points and activate the perks I didn't kill mobs faster and I took the same damage. I literally couldn't see a difference.
There are lots more things that baffle me about the game but those are some of my bigger issues. So please put your head back in the sand and tell yourself this game is fine as is, playable for the long haul and worth your $60. For the rest of us that look at teh game objectively we will continue to feel ripped off not just of money but the chance to play a game that had the potential to be fun and different.
According to the producers (article from IGN) 75 to 80% of show has nothing to do with the game. So you can enjoy the game if you are not interested in the show. However, i would suggest to wait and not buy the game yet. Atleast not till they drop this new patch on 15th.
Also better idea would be to wait for more reviews and see the over all scores it gets.
....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!
Dude it's B2P and only cost $60. If you get a week of casual game play that is well worth the money. I'm mean even if you quit you can always go back without having to spend a dime. That fact only makes it worth the small fee. Stop with your 10 post "I'm gonna crush Defiance crusade!"
We get it. You don't like the game and feel cheated out of your $80. If $80 (because you bought the season pass) is that big of a hit for you then you probably shouldn't be gaming anyways. But the fact remains that you yourself stated that many of the issues your having had been there since Alpha. Yet you went out and purchased the game knowing this.
You want to get pissed off at anyone blame yourself. Trion can't be blamed for ignorance.
The whole innovation here is that the game and TV series have been developed together. Rather than one being a success and the other one following. The tie-in will be the odd character from the show appearing in the game, perhaps similar storylines or quest lines that slightly overlap. Perhaps the chance for your game character to appear in the show at a later date (next season if there is one). But the game and the show are really separate entities. As such one might do really well while the other fails, but I am hoping both do well.
The big thing with this is making sure they each compliment one another. I am already down with a bit of the lore because of the game. I want to know more about the Arks, the Aliens, the Arktech. A science fiction show normally does well the deeper it is, the more things have been thought through and worked out. That is where Defiance has impressed me so far as a game. Has all the makings of a decent new sci-fi franchise.
VERY doubtful, once again we come back to cost per episode. I mean technically you could bring it back with a new cast of totally unknown actors, and keep the costs reasonable, however considering the stardom of some of the original cast now, you could never get them back for a reasonable amout of money.