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Allacore69Allacore69 Casselberry, FLPosts: 839Member

I see a lot of people bashing the game but those same people are here begging for keys lol

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  • AbloecAbloec Las Vegas, NVPosts: 315Member
    Originally posted by Allacore69

    I see a lot of people bashing the game but those same people are here begging for keys lol

    Meh, people are like that. Its just like my quote in my sig. It means They condemn what they do not understand.

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  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member

    How do you define bashing versus critique? Honest question.

    For example I read that the game restricts you to one weapon per class. I find this to be unacceptable if its true, was the person reporting this information bashing the game?

     

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  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon
    I'm tired of the Dungeons and Dragons franchise being so poorly represented in both movies and computer online gaming.

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  • AvanahAvanah Posts: 945Member Uncommon
    I didn't know keys were available. I'd love to try and get a key. Been waiting for NW forever. :)

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  • AbloecAbloec Las Vegas, NVPosts: 315Member
    Originally posted by ignore_me

    How do you define bashing versus critique? Honest question.

    For example I read that the game restricts you to one weapon per class. I find this to be unacceptable if its true, was the person reporting this information bashing the game?

     

    Each class is restricted to one weapon type not one weapon. So Trickster rogue can use 2 one handers, Guardian one hander and shield, and so on.

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  • AbloecAbloec Las Vegas, NVPosts: 315Member
    Originally posted by Vorthanion
    I'm tired of the Dungeons and Dragons franchise being so poorly represented in both movies and computer online gaming.

    Can't really lay all the blame on the producers/game companies. WoTC has to approve the movies and online games for them to be released. So its also on WoTC. I mean they were the ones that decided that Cryptic was going to use the 4.0 rule set.

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  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    Originally posted by Abloec
    Originally posted by ignore_me

    How do you define bashing versus critique? Honest question.

    For example I read that the game restricts you to one weapon per class. I find this to be unacceptable if its true, was the person reporting this information bashing the game?

     

    Each class is restricted to one weapon type not one weapon. So Trickster rogue can use 2 one handers, Guardian one hander and shield, and so on.

    So wait, dagger is a class of weapon? Can Trickster use anything else?

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  • DrkKaiserDrkKaiser Knoxville, TNPosts: 7Member

    In a game where versatility and the ability to use any type of weapons and armor you desired are quite prevalent (Yet heavily frowned upon, as per the game's negative bonuses,) I find that the concept of having only one weapon type per class to be rather inhibitive and counter-intuitive to the spirit of the game.

     

    Truly, I would like to see the Dungeons & Dragons franchise actually be handled by a company who is up to the challenge of making the game a true example of the tabletop model, rather than a half-hearted attempt, moulded around MMORPG pre-built concepts which "Work."

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,988Member Uncommon

    Not to worry, I've neither bashed the game nor asked for a key.

    Has not caught my interest yet, mostly ignoring for now.

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  • AbloecAbloec Las Vegas, NVPosts: 315Member
    Originally posted by ignore_me
    Originally posted by Abloec
    Originally posted by ignore_me

    How do you define bashing versus critique? Honest question.

    For example I read that the game restricts you to one weapon per class. I find this to be unacceptable if its true, was the person reporting this information bashing the game?

     

    Each class is restricted to one weapon type not one weapon. So Trickster rogue can use 2 one handers, Guardian one hander and shield, and so on.

    So wait, dagger is a class of weapon? Can Trickster use anything else?

    A trickster can use 1h swords, axes, I am assuming daggers but tbh I can't remember if I found any daggers.

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  • AbloecAbloec Las Vegas, NVPosts: 315Member
    Originally posted by DrkKaiser

    In a game where versatility and the ability to use any type of weapons and armor you desired are quite prevalent (Yet heavily frowned upon, as per the game's negative bonuses,) I find that the concept of having only one weapon type per class to be rather inhibitive and counter-intuitive to the spirit of the game.

     

    Truly, I would like to see the Dungeons & Dragons franchise actually be handled by a company who is up to the challenge of making the game a true example of the tabletop model, rather than a half-hearted attempt, moulded around MMORPG pre-built concepts which "Work."

    Kaiser, the amount of money it would require to make a DnD as extensive as a PnP DnD game would be huge. Actually lemme rephase that alil bit, to make a game w/ the depth on the PnP DnD game that is good would cost a huge amount of money. To give the amount of custimization of DnD itself would probably take years to design, thats just the character creation. Putting that shit in a book is a lot simpler than putting all of it in code and balancing it. There would probably be no way to have PvP in the game because there would be so many combinations and shit that it would be an extrodinary feat just to balance the game.

     

    Like I said in another post, you cannot lay all the blame on the game companies for the limitations, WoTC gives the ok for this stuff or the game would never release.

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  • MargraveMargrave Knoxville, TNPosts: 633Member Uncommon
    If I promise not to bash can I have a key then? ;)
  • DrkKaiserDrkKaiser Knoxville, TNPosts: 7Member

    So in essence, you're attempting to say that in order to do what they're already doing, just with adjusted parameters...would take a massive amount of money beyond what they normally spend, as well as time?

     

    Allow me to be a bit more specific here, so as to eliminate any confusion.

    D&D is a great game, but the biggest problem when playing in an MMO aspect is the combat.

    As I am at least aware, D&D functions around turns, squares moved per round (Feet in 3.5 and prior, I think)

    and the aspect of it being on a grid based system.

    To this extent, why have they not tried a method that would cater to that more appropriately?

    MMORPG as a design may indeed work, it is merely that the way they're going about it is somewhat flawed, from my perspective.

     

    I do not blame the developers. These statements are more general "Blanket" statements towards the game, until I can play it, find the potential issues myself, and then give an in depth critique about how well they function in their own concept.

  • azarhalazarhal Somewhere, BCPosts: 760Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Abloec
    Originally posted by ignore_me
    Originally posted by Abloec
    Originally posted by ignore_me

    How do you define bashing versus critique? Honest question.

    For example I read that the game restricts you to one weapon per class. I find this to be unacceptable if its true, was the person reporting this information bashing the game?

     

    Each class is restricted to one weapon type not one weapon. So Trickster rogue can use 2 one handers, Guardian one hander and shield, and so on.

    So wait, dagger is a class of weapon? Can Trickster use anything else?

    A trickster can use 1h swords, axes, I am assuming daggers but tbh I can't remember if I found any daggers.

    Trickster start with a dagger.

  • AbloecAbloec Las Vegas, NVPosts: 315Member
    Originally posted by DrkKaiser

    So in essence, you're attempting to say that in order to do what they're already doing, just with adjusted parameters...would take a massive amount of money beyond what they normally spend, as well as time?

     

    Allow me to be a bit more specific here, so as to eliminate any confusion.

    D&D is a great game, but the biggest problem when playing in an MMO aspect is the combat.

    As I am at least aware, D&D functions around turns, squares moved per round (Feet in 3.5 and prior, I think)

    and the aspect of it being on a grid based system.

    To this extent, why have they not tried a method that would cater to that more appropriately?

    MMORPG as a design may indeed work, it is merely that the way they're going about it is somewhat flawed, from my perspective.

     

    I do not blame the developers. These statements are more general "Blanket" statements towards the game, until I can play it, find the potential issues myself, and then give an in depth critique about how well they function in their own concept.

    Well first of all, WoTC decided that Neverwinter would be 4.o ruleset which is a more I guess you could say fast paced ruleset. Less abilities just w/ more punch and so on. The problem w/ adapting a PnP DnD to an MMO is the general populace wants fast paced action. Kill it and kill it now type mentality. Trust me I am w/ you, I loved all the old Bioware games that used the turn based DnD rules but sadly if you look at Biowares detachment from that w/ DA2 the majority of the new generation of gamers aren't into the slow stategic type of game play, especially in an MMORPG.

     

    Like I said if Neverwinter was a turn based type game I would be all for it, but its not. I approach all games regardless of their ties w/ a fresh view. Just because a game is associated w/ something like DnD does not mean it is going to be DnD sadly. There will always be compromises and cuts, it would be to difficult to fully translate a PnP game to an MMORPG that todays gamers would accept.

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  • AbloecAbloec Las Vegas, NVPosts: 315Member
    Originally posted by azarhal
    Originally posted by Abloec
    Originally posted by ignore_me
    Originally posted by Abloec
    Originally posted by ignore_me

    How do you define bashing versus critique? Honest question.

    For example I read that the game restricts you to one weapon per class. I find this to be unacceptable if its true, was the person reporting this information bashing the game?

     

    Each class is restricted to one weapon type not one weapon. So Trickster rogue can use 2 one handers, Guardian one hander and shield, and so on.

    So wait, dagger is a class of weapon? Can Trickster use anything else?

    A trickster can use 1h swords, axes, I am assuming daggers but tbh I can't remember if I found any daggers.

    Trickster start with a dagger.

    Lol, thanks. I couldn't remember for my life, played so much Neverwinter it sorta all blurred together.

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  • HaloheadHalohead Carthage, NYPosts: 11Member
    The Guardian Fighter starts with a sword and shield, and I didn't level one high enough to see if any variation was available. I recall in the Guardian Figther video the character was using a two-handed sword, but they may have changed it since the video's release.
  • MargraveMargrave Knoxville, TNPosts: 633Member Uncommon
    You may have seen the great weapon warrior video though
  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Still curious what OP is talking about.. Seen some bash because its f2p, or its cryptic, or they feel its not "real" d&d but who asked for a key after bashing?

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  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member

    Well I asked a question. Got an answer. Said I didn't like the way the game handled that (genuine response) and used perjorative language to illustrate my feedback.

    = Bashing?

     

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  • Allacore69Allacore69 Casselberry, FLPosts: 839Member


    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Still curious what OP is talking about.. Seen some bash because its f2p, or its cryptic, or they feel its not "real" d&d but who asked for a key after bashing?
    Scan these forums for peeps looking for keys then look at the other posts that bash or talk bad about those games and you'll see the same peeps who were just looking or asking for keys.

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by Allacore69

     


    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Still curious what OP is talking about.. Seen some bash because its f2p, or its cryptic, or they feel its not "real" d&d but who asked for a key after bashing?

    Scan these forums for peeps looking for keys then look at the other posts that bash or talk bad about those games and you'll see the same peeps who were just looking or asking for keys.

     

    don't care enough to look but sounds about right for this site..  find it humorous that people who state they hate themeparks and everything about them then buy and play every themepark that comes out and bitch about how it sucks...

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  • JimmyYOJimmyYO Columbus, OHPosts: 520Member
    Originally posted by Vorthanion
    I'm tired of the Dungeons and Dragons franchise being so poorly represented in both movies and computer online gaming.

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  • FARGIN_WARFARGIN_WAR New York, NYPosts: 166Member
    Originally posted by Allacore69

    I see a lot of people bashing the game but those same people are here begging for keys lol

    Yeah the game sucks rocks.

     

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  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Allacore69

     


    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Still curious what OP is talking about.. Seen some bash because its f2p, or its cryptic, or they feel its not "real" d&d but who asked for a key after bashing?

    Scan these forums for peeps looking for keys then look at the other posts that bash or talk bad about those games and you'll see the same peeps who were just looking or asking for keys.

     

    don't care enough to look but sounds about right for this site..  find it humorous that people who state they hate themeparks and everything about them then buy and play every themepark that comes out and bitch about how it sucks...

    You could in theory call Neverwinter a sandpark due to its foundry and the supposedly high degree of liberty in its use (I've heard you can make entire quest chains with loot and all the trimmings within the foundry).

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