I wouldn't expect Disney to get into the sandbox MMO market anytime soon, unless of course the industry as a whole shifts that direction. Disney is all about accessibility though, so any game they make will likely be targeted towards a youth / teen market, where SWG was always a bit more "grown up", even if only by accident.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I recently read a research paper which conluded that holding ones breath actually helps generate a desired outcome. So, if all of the SWG "vets" would simultaneously hold their breath until this happens, I'm sure you'll have the game you seek in no time.
Give it a shot, please.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Originally posted by MindTrigger I wouldn't expect Disney to get into the sandbox MMO market anytime soon, unless of course the industry as a whole shifts that direction. Disney is all about accessibility though, so any game they make will likely be targeted towards a youth / teen market, where SWG was always a bit more "grown up", even if only by accident.
As far as Disney are concerned they said that they are just focussing on mobile devices, but will let other companies create games with their IP for console / PC, so it will be whatever other companies want to do.
I recently read a research paper which conluded that holding ones breath actually helps generate a desired outcome. So, if all of the SWG "vets" would simultaneously hold their breath until this happens, I'm sure you'll have the game you seek in no time.
Give it a shot, please.
here is a better idea, if you dont like the fact that people want a game they loved back, then dont go into threads about it and read it. this way we dont have to listen yo your stupidity and you dont have to listen to us haveing our hopes no matter how small.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Most large scale companies are scared to take a chance with a sandbox game, that's why we see so many fail sandboxes, they are launched by fly by night companies. Theme parks bore me...but they are a sure buck for developers...that said, I'd love to see a massive SW sandbox, but I don't expect it.
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Originally posted by MindTrigger I wouldn't expect Disney to get into the sandbox MMO market anytime soon, unless of course the industry as a whole shifts that direction. Disney is all about accessibility though, so any game they make will likely be targeted towards a youth / teen market, where SWG was always a bit more "grown up", even if only by accident.
As far as Disney are concerned they said that they are just focussing on mobile devices, but will let other companies create games with their IP for console / PC, so it will be whatever other companies want to do.
It will be whatever other companies want to do with Disney looking over their shoulder and telling them what not to do. I don't know if you are aware of this, but Disney is notorious for being ridiculously strict with their IP licensing.
I'd love to be wrong on this one, but if anything, having Disney own Star Wars is probably a negative for the gaming market, especially MMOs. Thought it is hard to imagine someone screwing up as hard as Bioware did with TOR. What we should all pray for is a quick sunset of TOR so someone else has a shot in the next 5+ years.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Most large scale companies are scared to take a chance with a sandbox game, that's why we see so many fail sandboxes, they are launched by fly by night companies. Theme parks bore me...but they are a sure buck for developers...that said, I'd love to see a massive SW sandbox, but I don't expect it.
Smed is our only hope, with EQ Next. If that turns out to be the "biggest Sandbox MMO" as he says and turns into the #1 MMO, then we should see many sandbox games coming out left right and center
Originally posted by hikaru77 It wont happen. Probably they will put more money on swtor, or PS4 games.
Well it depends on if they buy the line coming out of Bioware these days (2nd largest Western MMO according to Ohlen), or at least think that the public buys that. It would be a mistake for them to put money into SWTOR, I could see them just letting it run though.
I recently read a research paper which conluded that holding ones breath actually helps generate a desired outcome. So, if all of the SWG "vets" would simultaneously hold their breath until this happens, I'm sure you'll have the game you seek in no time.
Give it a shot, please.
You are witnessing the power of the martyr. Feel free to beat your head against this wall if you want, but the powerful love of a greater former over a stupid replacement is significant.
Most large scale companies are scared to take a chance with a sandbox game, that's why we see so many fail sandboxes, they are launched by fly by night companies. Theme parks bore me...but they are a sure buck for developers...that said, I'd love to see a massive SW sandbox, but I don't expect it.
Smed is our only hope, with EQ Next. If that turns out to be the "biggest Sandbox MMO" as he says and turns into the #1 MMO, then we should see many sandbox games coming out left right and center
I am resting a lot of hope into EQ Next. I really hope it turns out well.
Originally posted by MindTrigger I wouldn't expect Disney to get into the sandbox MMO market anytime soon, unless of course the industry as a whole shifts that direction. Disney is all about accessibility though, so any game they make will likely be targeted towards a youth / teen market, where SWG was always a bit more "grown up", even if only by accident.
As far as Disney are concerned they said that they are just focussing on mobile devices, but will let other companies create games with their IP for console / PC, so it will be whatever other companies want to do.
It will be whatever other companies want to do with Disney looking over their shoulder and telling them what not to do. I don't know if you are aware of this, but Disney is notorious for being ridiculously strict with their IP licensing.
I'd love to be wrong on this one, but if anything, having Disney own Star Wars is probably a negative for the gaming market, especially MMOs. Thought it is hard to imagine someone screwing up as hard as Bioware did with TOR. What we should all pray for is a quick sunset of TOR so someone else has a shot in the next 5+ years.
Considering Disney have not done anything (game-wise) with SW yet, who knows?
From what I read of Disney they will let other companies do whatever they like with Star Wars, as long as it is within reason, but will not be breathing down devs necks like LA did.
I see nothing but continued darkness in the future for SWG, but fear not, there is another, her name is Camelot Unchained.
How does Camelot Unchained have anything to do with Star Wars? Also, isn't that game due out in 2015?
The CU people are grasping onto that game like it's their everything. The steam will run out in about six months when they realize the game won't be around for at least another year and a half after that. Let them have their fun.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I see nothing but continued darkness in the future for SWG, but fear not, there is another, her name is Camelot Unchained.
How does Camelot Unchained have anything to do with Star Wars? Also, isn't that game due out in 2015?
The CU people are grasping onto that game like it's their everything. The steam will run out in about six months when they realize the game won't be around for at least another year and a half after that. Let them have their fun.
One thing that SWG and Camelot Unchained have in common is the letters CU (Combat Upgrade).
When I first read your post there, I thought CU would be like the CU! (your use of CU is for Camelot Uchained and not Combat Upgrade) Doh!
IF it were to be ressurrected the only way it would work would be to completely overhaul the game engine/mechanics while keeping the basic content intact. No company (IMO) would invest in a previously failed game and bringing back the original game would be out of the question.
The only possibility I see remotely happening is SOE re-introducing the game as it was and changing a few things: number of characters per account would have to be increased and/or it woulld have to be F2P.
I loved SWG - the only true MMO in my gaming life
No. For that we have the fan project.
I want nothing less than Star Wars Galaxies "Next" from SOE, like they are doing Everquest Next.
I want Star Wars in their amazing Forgelight engine, not a half finished Alpha engine like SWTOR has
I want a Star Wars MMO which looks like Star Wars, not like a cartoon sci fi version of WoW
Help us Disney, you are our last hope, go talk to SOE
I'm aware of the fan project but it's only good if you have the original discs so that doesn't bode well for new players.
The new upcoming movie (if done well and I do believe with J.J. Abrans at the helm it will) will spawn a re-interest in the franchise which MAY help but that's a big IF.
Complex games like SWG are unfortunately being swept aside in favor of shallow games designed now for mobile apps - iPad...etc.
Disney just needs to act and give SOE a license to the IP.
Every SWG hater continues to say that TOR is not supposed to be SWG2, then there would be no competition between these two titles anyway!
If they did that SWTOR would die. Any alongside comparison to another SW MMO would quickly reveal the terrible and legion flaws of SWTOR, even to the drones.
So what? Survival of the fittest in the MMO market. Better have two totally different Star Wars MMOs on the market than one.
If they did that SWTOR would die. Any alongside comparison to another SW MMO would quickly reveal the terrible and legion flaws of SWTOR, even to the drones.
So what? Survival of the fittest in the MMO market. Better have two totally different Star Wars MMOs on the market than one.
That's my point. There is no way in hell that anyone who has any stake in SWTOR wants to see a new SW MMO come out. SWTOR has primacy right now, which is it's only advantage. As a product it is weak, and without the SW IP to distinguish it, it would die fast.
IF it were to be ressurrected the only way it would work would be to completely overhaul the game engine/mechanics while keeping the basic content intact. No company (IMO) would invest in a previously failed game and bringing back the original game would be out of the question.
The only possibility I see remotely happening is SOE re-introducing the game as it was and changing a few things: number of characters per account would have to be increased and/or it woulld have to be F2P.
I loved SWG - the only true MMO in my gaming life
No. For that we have the fan project.
I want nothing less than Star Wars Galaxies "Next" from SOE, like they are doing Everquest Next.
I want Star Wars in their amazing Forgelight engine, not a half finished Alpha engine like SWTOR has
I want a Star Wars MMO which looks like Star Wars, not like a cartoon sci fi version of WoW
Help us Disney, you are our last hope, go talk to SOE
I'm aware of the fan project but it's only good if you have the original discs so that doesn't bode well for new players.
The new upcoming movie (if done well and I do believe with J.J. Abrans at the helm it will) will spawn a re-interest in the franchise which MAY help but that's a big IF.
Complex games like SWG are unfortunately being swept aside in favor of shallow games designed now for mobile apps - iPad...etc.
Disney just needs to act and give SOE a license to the IP.
Every SWG hater continues to say that TOR is not supposed to be SWG2, then there would be no competition between these two titles anyway!
If they did that SWTOR would die. Any alongside comparison to another SW MMO would quickly reveal the terrible and legion flaws of SWTOR, even to the drones.
Its been over a year now and people already know about the flaws of SWTOR MMO. Majority of them have moved on while those who enjoy SWTOR despiste of its flaws are playing it and enjoying it. Your whole premises is based on wishful thinking that if another SW MMO is made it is going to be amazing. Chances are no matter how good its going to be it will never satisfy SW fans. SWG couldn't. So chances are that it will end up as another average SW MMO or closed down like SWG.
I understand your anger towards Bioware because they have wronged you in most un imaginable ways but do you really have to insult those who enjoy SWTOR by putting labels on them? why do you do that? how would you feel if i insult you simply because you enjoy something i don't? too hard t make a point without generalising and insulting SWTOR playerbase?
If they did that SWTOR would die. Any alongside comparison to another SW MMO would quickly reveal the terrible and legion flaws of SWTOR, even to the drones.
Its been over a year now and people already know about the flaws of SWTOR MMO. Majority of them have moved on while those who enjoy SWTOR despiste of its flaws are playing it and enjoying it. Your whole premises is based on wishful thinking that if another SW MMO is made it is going to be amazing. Chances are no matter how good its going to be it will never satisfy SW fans. SWG couldn't. So chances are that it will end up as another average SW MMO or closed down like SWG.
I understand your anger towards Bioware because they have wronged you in most un imaginable ways but do you really have to insult those who enjoy SWTOR by putting labels on them? why do you do that? how would you feel if i insult you simply because you enjoy something i don't? too hard t make a point without generalising and insulting SWTOR playerbase?
Some serious growing up is in order here.
You need a stronger self-image if some anonymous poster on the internet saying game that you like sucks, bothers you. What label did I put on anyone?
It wouldn't be hard for them to make another SW MMO and have it be better than SWTOR, so my premise is actually probable in that way, but I didn't say I thought it was likely that they would make one. I like this part of your argument:
SWG was killed
No SW game will be good enough
SWTOR is good enough
I spend some time posting about SWTOR, this is a far cry from the amount of time I would have spent playing a worthwhile SW MMO, so to me Bioware created this vacant time allotment where I go on the internet (to multiple sites) and express my displeasure with their crappy game. Unintended consequences.
Yes, i know SOME of you loved SWG, but SOME of you love SW:TOR... Willing to be SW:TOR sold more copies and had more active subs than SWG ever did. Again, maybe some of you loved SWG but that isn't enough to justify the massive costs of building a new game.
Personally, I would love to see a quality SciFi Space / Future MMO. But they all seem to fail. Too many nerds want orcs and elves and not enough people interested in modern of future setting.
I had hopes for Titan until recently when I started reading details about it being set in a fantasy world and possibly having Warcraft lore tie-ins which obviously means orcs, goblins, elves, and such...
Yes, i know SOME of you loved SWG, but SOME of you love SW:TOR... Willing to be SW:TOR sold more copies and had more active subs than SWG ever did. Again, maybe some of you loved SWG but that isn't enough to justify the massive costs of building a new game.
SWG was more of a success, it only started to fail after NGE, and the main reason why people did not want to touch it after NGE was the worry of the rug being pulled again, but despite that it did not have any server closures or merges until 2009, that is 3-4 years after the NGE, and 6 years after launch. SWG was great through the sum of its parts, as it had many features that no other game or MMO has had or ever will get, and was still being tweaked / updated / improved / more polished right up until the servers closed. SOE did more for SWG in 2011 than EA has done for SWTOR since it released. In 2011 it started to pick up again, as NGE started to become history.
SWTOR may have sold 2 million copies, but that was all mainly at launch, and they are not selling any now, as it is just a matter of creating an account and downloading the client and then playing for free, whereas SWG kept selling the game for 8 solid years and never went F2P. Also many people who played SWG subbed multiple accounts, but there is no need for SWTOR. Whilst SWTOR had more subbed players iniitually, I doubt it will do overall / in the end.
Resurrecting SWG should not cost anything as the game is already written, just needs to be officially put on servers and operated.
You need a stronger self-image if some anonymous poster on the internet saying game that you like sucks, bothers you. What label did I put on anyone?
It wouldn't be hard for them to make another SW MMO and have it be better than SWTOR, so my premise is actually probable in that way, but I didn't say I thought it was likely that they would make one. I like this part of your argument:
SWG was killed
No SW game will be good enough
SWTOR is good enough
I spend some time posting about SWTOR, this is a far cry from the amount of time I would have spent playing a worthwhile SW MMO, so to me Bioware created this vacant time allotment where I go on the internet (to multiple sites) and express my displeasure with their crappy game. Unintended consequences.
My disapproval of your generalisation and insulting SWTOR fans by using terms as 'drones' has nothing to do with my lack of strong self image. Only because it is internet and we are all anonymous doesn't mean we have free reign to act like an ass. People get away with a lot in name of anonymity on internet. For me however how you act on internt is just an extension of your real life self. Unless we are roleplaying here? why is it so difficult to give your opinion without using labels and insults? it is a legitimate question.
And where did i say SWTOR is good enough? did you miss the part where i said chances are that another SW MMO will just end up being average or shut down?
SWG was not really more of a success than SWTOR , it had a dedicated fan base but I dont even think those numbers equaled the box sales alone of swtor. Also SWTOR is still going and they claim to be making a lot more money now so the jury technically is still out on SWTOR compared to SWG.
Also Disney is shutting down lucasarts , why would they ever bring back SOE into the mix? Also why would SOE fire back up the servers and have to pay devs to continue to develop content and bug fixes etc for a game that was almost dead to begin with when it was shut down? People here are very jaded when it comes to games they really loved , this game didnt do all that good from begining until the end , The constant warping from patch to patch of combat systems , classes, and adding levels proved that.
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A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I recently read a research paper which conluded that holding ones breath actually helps generate a desired outcome. So, if all of the SWG "vets" would simultaneously hold their breath until this happens, I'm sure you'll have the game you seek in no time.
Give it a shot, please.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
As far as Disney are concerned they said that they are just focussing on mobile devices, but will let other companies create games with their IP for console / PC, so it will be whatever other companies want to do.
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here is a better idea, if you dont like the fact that people want a game they loved back, then dont go into threads about it and read it. this way we dont have to listen yo your stupidity and you dont have to listen to us haveing our hopes no matter how small.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
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Most large scale companies are scared to take a chance with a sandbox game, that's why we see so many fail sandboxes, they are launched by fly by night companies. Theme parks bore me...but they are a sure buck for developers...that said, I'd love to see a massive SW sandbox, but I don't expect it.
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It will be whatever other companies want to do with Disney looking over their shoulder and telling them what not to do. I don't know if you are aware of this, but Disney is notorious for being ridiculously strict with their IP licensing.
I'd love to be wrong on this one, but if anything, having Disney own Star Wars is probably a negative for the gaming market, especially MMOs. Thought it is hard to imagine someone screwing up as hard as Bioware did with TOR. What we should all pray for is a quick sunset of TOR so someone else has a shot in the next 5+ years.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Smed is our only hope, with EQ Next. If that turns out to be the "biggest Sandbox MMO" as he says and turns into the #1 MMO, then we should see many sandbox games coming out left right and center
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Well it depends on if they buy the line coming out of Bioware these days (2nd largest Western MMO according to Ohlen), or at least think that the public buys that. It would be a mistake for them to put money into SWTOR, I could see them just letting it run though.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
How does Camelot Unchained have anything to do with Star Wars? Also, isn't that game due out in 2015?
You are witnessing the power of the martyr. Feel free to beat your head against this wall if you want, but the powerful love of a greater former over a stupid replacement is significant.
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I am resting a lot of hope into EQ Next. I really hope it turns out well.
Considering Disney have not done anything (game-wise) with SW yet, who knows?
From what I read of Disney they will let other companies do whatever they like with Star Wars, as long as it is within reason, but will not be breathing down devs necks like LA did.
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The CU people are grasping onto that game like it's their everything. The steam will run out in about six months when they realize the game won't be around for at least another year and a half after that. Let them have their fun.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
One thing that SWG and Camelot Unchained have in common is the letters CU (Combat Upgrade).
When I first read your post there, I thought CU would be like the CU! (your use of CU is for Camelot Uchained and not Combat Upgrade) Doh!
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So what? Survival of the fittest in the MMO market. Better have two totally different Star Wars MMOs on the market than one.
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That's my point. There is no way in hell that anyone who has any stake in SWTOR wants to see a new SW MMO come out. SWTOR has primacy right now, which is it's only advantage. As a product it is weak, and without the SW IP to distinguish it, it would die fast.
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Its been over a year now and people already know about the flaws of SWTOR MMO. Majority of them have moved on while those who enjoy SWTOR despiste of its flaws are playing it and enjoying it. Your whole premises is based on wishful thinking that if another SW MMO is made it is going to be amazing. Chances are no matter how good its going to be it will never satisfy SW fans. SWG couldn't. So chances are that it will end up as another average SW MMO or closed down like SWG.
I understand your anger towards Bioware because they have wronged you in most un imaginable ways but do you really have to insult those who enjoy SWTOR by putting labels on them? why do you do that? how would you feel if i insult you simply because you enjoy something i don't? too hard t make a point without generalising and insulting SWTOR playerbase?
Some serious growing up is in order here.
You need a stronger self-image if some anonymous poster on the internet saying game that you like sucks, bothers you. What label did I put on anyone?
It wouldn't be hard for them to make another SW MMO and have it be better than SWTOR, so my premise is actually probable in that way, but I didn't say I thought it was likely that they would make one. I like this part of your argument:
SWG was killed
No SW game will be good enough
SWTOR is good enough
I spend some time posting about SWTOR, this is a far cry from the amount of time I would have spent playing a worthwhile SW MMO, so to me Bioware created this vacant time allotment where I go on the internet (to multiple sites) and express my displeasure with their crappy game. Unintended consequences.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
Nope.
SWG = Failure
SWTOR = Failure
Both SW games in a row were failures.
Yes, i know SOME of you loved SWG, but SOME of you love SW:TOR... Willing to be SW:TOR sold more copies and had more active subs than SWG ever did. Again, maybe some of you loved SWG but that isn't enough to justify the massive costs of building a new game.
Personally, I would love to see a quality SciFi Space / Future MMO. But they all seem to fail. Too many nerds want orcs and elves and not enough people interested in modern of future setting.
I had hopes for Titan until recently when I started reading details about it being set in a fantasy world and possibly having Warcraft lore tie-ins which obviously means orcs, goblins, elves, and such...
SWG was more of a success, it only started to fail after NGE, and the main reason why people did not want to touch it after NGE was the worry of the rug being pulled again, but despite that it did not have any server closures or merges until 2009, that is 3-4 years after the NGE, and 6 years after launch. SWG was great through the sum of its parts, as it had many features that no other game or MMO has had or ever will get, and was still being tweaked / updated / improved / more polished right up until the servers closed. SOE did more for SWG in 2011 than EA has done for SWTOR since it released. In 2011 it started to pick up again, as NGE started to become history.
SWTOR may have sold 2 million copies, but that was all mainly at launch, and they are not selling any now, as it is just a matter of creating an account and downloading the client and then playing for free, whereas SWG kept selling the game for 8 solid years and never went F2P. Also many people who played SWG subbed multiple accounts, but there is no need for SWTOR. Whilst SWTOR had more subbed players iniitually, I doubt it will do overall / in the end.
Resurrecting SWG should not cost anything as the game is already written, just needs to be officially put on servers and operated.
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My disapproval of your generalisation and insulting SWTOR fans by using terms as 'drones' has nothing to do with my lack of strong self image. Only because it is internet and we are all anonymous doesn't mean we have free reign to act like an ass. People get away with a lot in name of anonymity on internet. For me however how you act on internt is just an extension of your real life self. Unless we are roleplaying here? why is it so difficult to give your opinion without using labels and insults? it is a legitimate question.
And where did i say SWTOR is good enough? did you miss the part where i said chances are that another SW MMO will just end up being average or shut down?
SWG was not really more of a success than SWTOR , it had a dedicated fan base but I dont even think those numbers equaled the box sales alone of swtor. Also SWTOR is still going and they claim to be making a lot more money now so the jury technically is still out on SWTOR compared to SWG.
Also Disney is shutting down lucasarts , why would they ever bring back SOE into the mix? Also why would SOE fire back up the servers and have to pay devs to continue to develop content and bug fixes etc for a game that was almost dead to begin with when it was shut down? People here are very jaded when it comes to games they really loved , this game didnt do all that good from begining until the end , The constant warping from patch to patch of combat systems , classes, and adding levels proved that.