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GW2 why the story implementation works(for me)

AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
One of the things I dislike about MMO questing is how it generally tries to make you the hero inside the main game world, with everyone else doing the exact same save the world quests right along side you. GW2 I feel solves this by taking that aspect and making it optional and completely instanced and leaving the world quests to actually make sense in a way that everyone can do them and not have" you" as the center of it all.. Sure not everyone cares or notices this type of thing but to me its immensely helpful with overall immersion. I personally don't enjoy when" you are the one" is the center focus of a MMO in general...whats everyone else's feelings on this?

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

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  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Up until lvl 50 - I thought some of the stories were pretty good. After lvl 50, I thought the story really needed some help as I didn't feel very immersed.

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  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member

    I have mixed feelings on it

     

    drawing upon my experiences with GW1

    Prophecies - I liked being part of the story but admittadly the story is redundant with alts

    Nightfall - the "you are the hero" was too heavy handed and I think ANET learned from this

     

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by botrytis

    Up until lvl 50 - I thought some of the stories were pretty good. After lvl 50, I thought the story really needed some help as I didn't feel very immersed.

     

    I agree with that after the battle of claw island it sort of drops off but main topic is really the presentation and how its implemented not the actual story itself

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • DjildjameshDjildjamesh maasdijkPosts: 406Member Uncommon

    i for 100% agree with you.

    I also think the story is extremely lame ...

     

    however! the presentation the cut scenes the fact that it plays in this closed off area is brilliant.

     

    Fix that story and it's all awesome

  • nolic1nolic1 Kingman, AZPosts: 687Member Uncommon

    I like that they give you the option to choose to do the story or not. Myself I like how each races and choice upto the Claw Island part let you kinda make your own path but even after Claw Island the story really does take you on a journey that tells a good story with it. Most of all though the choice to follow the story after the start of you time in the world is what makes me like it you decide if you want the story or just play the game.

     

    And even without the story itself theres a ton of lore you learn just by reading this or that in the game from gave stones to plaques to books even theres alot of story without.

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  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    One of the things I dislike about MMO questing is how it generally tries to make you the hero inside the main game world, with everyone else doing the exact same save the world quests right along side you. GW2 I feel solves this by taking that aspect and making it optional and completely instanced and leaving the world quests to actually make sense in a way that everyone can do them and not have" you" as the center of it all.. Sure not everyone cares or notices this type of thing but to me its immensely helpful with overall immersion. I personally don't enjoy when" you are the one" is the center focus of a MMO in general...whats everyone else's feelings on this?

    Seriously?

    The main quest dialog calls you the hero every few minutes. The NPCs in the cut scenes address you as hero. "Oh look, there's the hero!". Ok, so it's instance heroism, so what? Everyone does the same "heroic" quests.

    Personally, I got tired of the bloat.

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by Zekiah

    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    One of the things I dislike about MMO questing is how it generally tries to make you the hero inside the main game world, with everyone else doing the exact same save the world quests right along side you. GW2 I feel solves this by taking that aspect and making it optional and completely instanced and leaving the world quests to actually make sense in a way that everyone can do them and not have" you" as the center of it all.. Sure not everyone cares or notices this type of thing but to me its immensely helpful with overall immersion. I personally don't enjoy when" you are the one" is the center focus of a MMO in general...whats everyone else's feelings on this?

    Seriously?

    The main quest dialog calls you the hero every few minutes. The NPCs in the cut scenes address you as hero. "Oh look, there's the hero!". Ok, so it's instance heroism, so what? Everyone does the same "heroic" quests.

    Personally, I got tired of the bloat.

     

    think you completely missed the point of the topic

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,828Member Uncommon
    Personally, I listened to the first few pieces of dialogue and I skipped to the end on all of the rest. It started out boring, so I didn't bother with the rest of it.
  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon

    I would like this if they had gone all the way with it.  But after being declare the "Hero of...."  h hen asked by a commoner to perform menial tasks....it just creates a disconnect.

    Either have me be the hero or don't have me be the hero, but there has to be some sort of agreement there.

    I personally like being some sort of Hero.  It elevates the importance of the game's adventure to me.  If I am just going to play an average joe, then you need to make the story interesting enough that I don't feel like what I am doing is a chore I could just do in real life.

    In the end, I am playing the game to play something I would fantasize playing. 

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    I would like this if they had gone all the way with it.  But after being declare the "Hero of...."  h hen asked by a commoner to perform menial tasks....it just creates a disconnect.Either have me be the hero or don't have me be the hero, but there has to be some sort of agreement there.I personally like being some sort of Hero.  It elevates the importance of the game's adventure to me.  If I am just going to play an average joe, then you need to make the story interesting enough that I don't feel like what I am doing is a chore I could just do in real life.In the end, I am playing the game to play something I would fantasize playing. 

     

    you are some sort of hero in gw2 world questing you just aren't "the" hero aside from in your personal instanced story.. In swtor I found it ridiculous some of the silly and trivial tasks I was doing as a "lord of the sith"

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal

    I would like this if they had gone all the way with it.  But after being declare the "Hero of...."  h hen asked by a commoner to perform menial tasks....it just creates a disconnect.

    Either have me be the hero or don't have me be the hero, but there has to be some sort of agreement there.

    I personally like being some sort of Hero.  It elevates the importance of the game's adventure to me.  If I am just going to play an average joe, then you need to make the story interesting enough that I don't feel like what I am doing is a chore I could just do in real life.

    In the end, I am playing the game to play something I would fantasize playing. 

     

    you are some sort of hero in gw2 world questing you just aren't "the" hero aside from in your personal instanced story.. In swtor I found it ridiculous some of the silly and trivial tasks I was doing as a "lord of the sith"

    Why separate the world questing and personal story questing social status?  Just doesnt work for me.

  • KhorraxKhorrax GalatiPosts: 52Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Zekiah
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    One of the things I dislike about MMO questing is how it generally tries to make you the hero inside the main game world, with everyone else doing the exact same save the world quests right along side you. GW2 I feel solves this by taking that aspect and making it optional and completely instanced and leaving the world quests to actually make sense in a way that everyone can do them and not have" you" as the center of it all.. Sure not everyone cares or notices this type of thing but to me its immensely helpful with overall immersion. I personally don't enjoy when" you are the one" is the center focus of a MMO in general...whats everyone else's feelings on this?

    Seriously?

    The main quest dialog calls you the hero every few minutes. The NPCs in the cut scenes address you as hero. "Oh look, there's the hero!". Ok, so it's instance heroism, so what? Everyone does the same "heroic" quests.

    Personally, I got tired of the bloat.

     

    think you completely missed the point of the topic

     I think he has a point.

     Even though Trahearne seems to take over the central role at some point, you are still in fact the one who does all the work and get all the praise. Trahearne may be the leader, but you are still the one who takes all the decisions. And he is nowhere to be found when you take down Zhaitan.

     The thing that makes the least sense to me however, is how all of a sudden you helped bring back Destiny's Edge together and everyone thanks you again. Leaving aside the fact that you are somewhat forced to do dungeons if you want to know more about Destiny's Edge (and even then, you are still left with more questions than answers), their role throughout the storyline is minimal. Therefore, them suddenly appearing for the last storyline quest makes it a bit inconsistent.

  • Trudge34Trudge34 Stevens Point, WIPosts: 392Member Uncommon

    Honestly I didn't care for the personal story quests really. I'm one that doesn't care for the MMO story of you are the hero and all that. On top of that, it made absolutely no sense to me when joining one of the three factions, why you get a bit of rookie hazing from the mentor and higher ups in the order, yet they rely on you to make all the important decisions.

    Come on rook, what is our plan of action for taking back Claw Island? I know I'm the general, but how do you want our troops positioned to withstand this assault? Why would I, just joining the order, be making the decisions?

    If the story finishes how I think it will, I'm on the last one right now, you'll kill Zhaitan who's the driving force behind the corruption of Orr...then what? Why have the main antagonist be killed through the story? So he's dead and nothing has changed in the world? 

    In my opinion, if you want a storyline in an MMO, it would be best told as one of the NPC's stories and would almost be an ongoing story that would tell you how the current world that you are playing in 99% of the time came to be the way it is. This would enable you to take part in the story, but you and two million others wouldn't be the focus of it. Instead you'd just be one of the pact members, still take part in everything that you were able to along the way, but it would make sense contextually.    

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by Khorrax

    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Zekiah
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    One of the things I dislike about MMO questing is how it generally tries to make you the hero inside the main game world, with everyone else doing the exact same save the world quests right along side you. GW2 I feel solves this by taking that aspect and making it optional and completely instanced and leaving the world quests to actually make sense in a way that everyone can do them and not have" you" as the center of it all.. Sure not everyone cares or notices this type of thing but to me its immensely helpful with overall immersion. I personally don't enjoy when" you are the one" is the center focus of a MMO in general...whats everyone else's feelings on this?

    Seriously?

    The main quest dialog calls you the hero every few minutes. The NPCs in the cut scenes address you as hero. "Oh look, there's the hero!". Ok, so it's instance heroism, so what? Everyone does the same "heroic" quests.

    Personally, I got tired of the bloat.

     

    think you completely missed the point of the topic

     I think he has a point.

     Even though Trahearne seems to take over the central role at some point, you are still in fact the one who does all the work and get all the praise. Trahearne may be the leader, but you are still the one who takes all the decisions. And he is nowhere to be found when you take down Zhaitan.

     The thing that makes the least sense to me however, is how all of a sudden you helped bring back Destiny's Edge together and everyone thanks you again. Leaving aside the fact that you are somewhat forced to do dungeons if you want to know more about Destiny's Edge (and even then, you are still left with more questions than answers), their role throughout the storyline is minimal. Therefore, them suddenly appearing for the last storyline quest makes it a bit inconsistent.

     

    my OP has nothing to do with the actual personal story at all..did people just read the first sentence and respond?

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal
    I would like this if they had gone all the way with it.  But after being declare the "Hero of...."  h hen asked by a commoner to perform menial tasks....it just creates a disconnect. Either have me be the hero or don't have me be the hero, but there has to be some sort of agreement there. I personally like being some sort of Hero.  It elevates the importance of the game's adventure to me.  If I am just going to play an average joe, then you need to make the story interesting enough that I don't feel like what I am doing is a chore I could just do in real life. In the end, I am playing the game to play something I would fantasize playing. 

     

    you are some sort of hero in gw2 world questing you just aren't "the" hero aside from in your personal instanced story.. In swtor I found it ridiculous some of the silly and trivial tasks I was doing as a "lord of the sith"

    Why separate the world questing and personal story questing social status?  Just doesnt work for me.

     

    I don't feel personal story should be a center focus of a mmo at all..in gw2 its only a very tiny piece of the content and you could easily skip it altogether and still enjoy a ton of content

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • dopplemmodopplemmo toronto, ONPosts: 31Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn

    One of the things I dislike about MMO questing is how it generally tries to make you the hero inside the main game world, with everyone else doing the exact same save the world quests right along side you. GW2 I feel solves this by taking that aspect and making it optional and completely instanced and leaving the world quests to actually make sense in a way that everyone can do them and not have" you" as the center of it all.. Sure not everyone cares or notices this type of thing but to me its immensely helpful with overall immersion. I personally don't enjoy when" you are the one" is the center focus of a MMO in general...whats everyone else's feelings on this?

     

    I agree that it is great that the Story Mode has been made optional, because it is so lacking in its implementation that I could not get myself to finish it at least once. So they at least got that optional part, right.
  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal

    I would like this if they had gone all the way with it.  But after being declare the "Hero of...."  h hen asked by a commoner to perform menial tasks....it just creates a disconnect.

    Either have me be the hero or don't have me be the hero, but there has to be some sort of agreement there.

    I personally like being some sort of Hero.  It elevates the importance of the game's adventure to me.  If I am just going to play an average joe, then you need to make the story interesting enough that I don't feel like what I am doing is a chore I could just do in real life.

    In the end, I am playing the game to play something I would fantasize playing. 

     

    you are some sort of hero in gw2 world questing you just aren't "the" hero aside from in your personal instanced story.. In swtor I found it ridiculous some of the silly and trivial tasks I was doing as a "lord of the sith"

    Why separate the world questing and personal story questing social status?  Just doesnt work for me.

     

    I don't feel personal story should be a center focus of a mmo at all..in gw2 its only a very tiny piece of the content and you could easily skip it altogether and still enjoy a ton of content

    For a themepark, I find that you need a central story arc, otherwise, the drive to continue on sort of falters.

     

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal
    I would like this if they had gone all the way with it.  But after being declare the "Hero of...."  h hen asked by a commoner to perform menial tasks....it just creates a disconnect. Either have me be the hero or don't have me be the hero, but there has to be some sort of agreement there. I personally like being some sort of Hero.  It elevates the importance of the game's adventure to me.  If I am just going to play an average joe, then you need to make the story interesting enough that I don't feel like what I am doing is a chore I could just do in real life. In the end, I am playing the game to play something I would fantasize playing. 

     

    you are some sort of hero in gw2 world questing you just aren't "the" hero aside from in your personal instanced story.. In swtor I found it ridiculous some of the silly and trivial tasks I was doing as a "lord of the sith"

    Why separate the world questing and personal story questing social status?  Just doesnt work for me.

     

    I don't feel personal story should be a center focus of a mmo at all..in gw2 its only a very tiny piece of the content and you could easily skip it altogether and still enjoy a ton of content

    For a themepark, I find that you need a central story arc.

     

     

    I do as well I just don't feel it should be the center focus of the game if the story is going to be about "you" as the hero or the "one".. You can be a hero joining forces with other heros but to make the quests feel like you are the chosen one then the guy next to me is also the chosen one and so on and so on

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal

    I would like this if they had gone all the way with it.  But after being declare the "Hero of...."  h hen asked by a commoner to perform menial tasks....it just creates a disconnect.

    Either have me be the hero or don't have me be the hero, but there has to be some sort of agreement there.

    I personally like being some sort of Hero.  It elevates the importance of the game's adventure to me.  If I am just going to play an average joe, then you need to make the story interesting enough that I don't feel like what I am doing is a chore I could just do in real life.

    In the end, I am playing the game to play something I would fantasize playing. 

     

    you are some sort of hero in gw2 world questing you just aren't "the" hero aside from in your personal instanced story.. In swtor I found it ridiculous some of the silly and trivial tasks I was doing as a "lord of the sith"

    Why separate the world questing and personal story questing social status?  Just doesnt work for me.

     

    I don't feel personal story should be a center focus of a mmo at all..in gw2 its only a very tiny piece of the content and you could easily skip it altogether and still enjoy a ton of content

    For a themepark, I find that you need a central story arc.

     

     

    I do as well I just don't feel it should be the center focus of the game if the story is going to be about "you" as the hero or the "one".. You can be a hero joining forces with other heros but to make the quests feel like you are the chosen one then the guy next to me is also the chosen one and so on and so on

    I don't like that either.  But I think there's a way the writers can figure out a way to make it work.

    I don't think the GW2 writers figured out how, though.

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
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    irony so thick its blinding.. Anyway I personally enjoy the story overall and its great XP...sorry that my enjoyment of talking about a game I actually enjoy in its own forums offends you

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Virginia, VAPosts: 2,131Member
    I agree, I like that the immersion is increased by making it clear that GW2 is not just one game, it is a collection of several smaller games; that way I can feel immersed in each of the small games themselves. 
  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    I agree, I like that the immersion is increased by making it clear that GW2 is not just one game, it is a collection of several smaller games; that way I can feel immersed in each of the small games themselves. 

    That is so ridicuously true it's ridiculous. I can spend hours upon hours in WvW and nearly forget that's only one piece of the larger game. It's practically a full game in and of itself.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon

    Some people completely missed the point... she is talking about the way the story is implemented, not its content. And I agree with the OP on that point. I also agree that after Claw Island, the story, while still fun on your first character, takes a nosedive in quality and becomes repetitive on alts despite your ability to choose different paths.

    Originally posted by Foomerang

    So a shitty aspect of this game is actually good because it is insignificant... Why do you try so hard to sell this game? Sad waste of energy imho. Just enjoy it for youself. No need to constantly seek approval.

    What you call "seeking for approval" is actually "posting on the forum of a game Aerowyn is actually PLAYING and enjoying". If she was trying to "sell this game", she would advertise it on other forums, not here. Your post, though, is totally useless, not to mention you obviously didn't fully understand the OP.

    At least she minds her own business, while others come here, on the forum of a game they dislike, just to bash it. I'd take Aerowyn's posting habits anytime over those people if I wanted to create a good community around a game.

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by Volkon

    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    I agree, I like that the immersion is increased by making it clear that GW2 is not just one game, it is a collection of several smaller games; that way I can feel immersed in each of the small games themselves. 

    That is so ridicuously true it's ridiculous. I can spend hours upon hours in WvW and nearly forget that's only one piece of the larger game. It's practically a full game in and of itself.

     

    this is how I play the game as well each aspect sPVP, WvW, open world, personal story all play like their own games in a way and I can get myself immersed in them all

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    I agree, I like that the immersion is increased by making it clear that GW2 is not just one game, it is a collection of several smaller games; that way I can feel immersed in each of the small games themselves. 

    That is so ridicuously true it's ridiculous. I can spend hours upon hours in WvW and nearly forget that's only one piece of the larger game. It's practically a full game in and of itself.

     

    this is how I play the game as well each aspect sPVP, WvW, open world, personal story all play like their own games in a way and I can get myself immersed in them all

     

    At the moment I'm leveling an elementalist, mostly in WvW. However I've been popping out to do the personal story along the way... after all the rewards (including level appropriate gear) are worth it. It's so dramatically different... the chaos of WvW to the less chaotic yet random PvE world to the story line... it's easy to get lost in one and forget the others. Hell, I've yet to set foot in sPvP! Another whole aspect of the game I haven't tried yet.

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