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Which will give me more fps?

KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member

Hey guys, I have nearly completed my build and i was just wondering, what will give me more fps for gaming.

 

Would it be ? http://www.ebuyer.com/398761-amd-a10-5800k-black-edition-3-8ghz-socket-fm2-4mb-l2-cache-retail-ad580kwohjbox?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products

or http://www.ebuyer.com/287682-amd-fx-6-6100-black-edition-6-core-3-3ghz-socket-am3-8mb-l3-fd6100wmgusbx With a descret gfx card with a (£50 pound budget on the gfx card) Could anyone find me a gfx card to go with this and tell me if this would be a better investment than the APU?

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  • VrikaVrika FinlandPosts: 2,579Member Uncommon

    I think 5800K's faster clock speed would win over 6100's more cores in most of the games since most of the games can't use that many cores. But I'd say that it's best to buy the cheaper out of those two and use the money saved to buy a better gfx xard. If you're buying the computer to play 3D games your gfx card should cost more than your processor, not less.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Get the 6300
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,774Member Uncommon

    For CPU performance, you're looking at a question of whether four faster cores or six slower cores are better.  Piledriver cores in the A10-5800K are faster than Bulldozer cores in the FX-6100, even at the same clock speed.  And that's on top of being clocked higher.  FX-*300 processors have the same Piledriver cores as the A10-5800K.

    For GPU performance, it depends on what card you get.  On a strict £50 budget, you're not going to get anything faster than the Radeon HD 7660G integrated graphics.  If you're willing to nudge your budget upward a bit, then an FX-6300 together with a Radeon HD 7750 is clearly better than an A10-5800K:

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-338-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-294-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1699

    But if not, then I'd recommend saving some money and going with integrated graphics in the A10-5800K.  If you do that, then make sure you get 1866 MHz or higher memory, as the integrated graphics really does need the extra memory bandwidth.  For example:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/408829-patriot-8gb-black-mamba-ddr3-2133mhz-pv38g213c1k

    What else are you getting in your build?  There might be somewhere else that it is easy to save money.

  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    For CPU performance, you're looking at a question of whether four faster cores or six slower cores are better.  Piledriver cores in the A10-5800K are faster than Bulldozer cores in the FX-6100, even at the same clock speed.  And that's on top of being clocked higher.  FX-*300 processors have the same Piledriver cores as the A10-5800K.

    For GPU performance, it depends on what card you get.  On a strict £50 budget, you're not going to get anything faster than the Radeon HD 7660G integrated graphics.  If you're willing to nudge your budget upward a bit, then an FX-6300 together with a Radeon HD 7750 is clearly better than an A10-5800K:

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-338-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-294-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1699

    But if not, then I'd recommend saving some money and going with integrated graphics in the A10-5800K.  If you do that, then make sure you get 1866 MHz or higher memory, as the integrated graphics really does need the extra memory bandwidth.  For example:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/408829-patriot-8gb-black-mamba-ddr3-2133mhz-pv38g213c1k

    What else are you getting in your build?  There might be somewhere else that it is easy to save money.

    Well as you know i was planning to get the a10-5800k APU But i can afford that gfx card so i might aswell pay for it. Can i ask how much gaming difference that will give me than the a10 APU?

    This motherboard for the APU- http://www.ebuyer.com/406365-gigabyte-ga-f2a75m-hd2-a75-socket-fm2-vga-dvi-hdmi-7-1-channel-audio-matx-ga-f2a75m-hd2

    HDD: http://www.ebuyer.com/241715-wd-500gb-blue-desktop-drive-wd5000aakx

    Case: http://www.ebuyer.com/343262-cit-vantage-gaming-case-black-hd-audio-black-interior-4-fans-card-cscitvan

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    TBH unless storage is an issue, A10+SSD is better money spent than low end CPU+GPU+HDD
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Don't buy the 6100 at all its old tech. If you get AMD standalone processor get a piledriver 4300, 6300, 8300, 8350.

    The 6100 is particularly bad, the old 4100 was actually faster on many games.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,774Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karaminal
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    For CPU performance, you're looking at a question of whether four faster cores or six slower cores are better.  Piledriver cores in the A10-5800K are faster than Bulldozer cores in the FX-6100, even at the same clock speed.  And that's on top of being clocked higher.  FX-*300 processors have the same Piledriver cores as the A10-5800K.

    For GPU performance, it depends on what card you get.  On a strict £50 budget, you're not going to get anything faster than the Radeon HD 7660G integrated graphics.  If you're willing to nudge your budget upward a bit, then an FX-6300 together with a Radeon HD 7750 is clearly better than an A10-5800K:

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-338-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-294-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1699

    But if not, then I'd recommend saving some money and going with integrated graphics in the A10-5800K.  If you do that, then make sure you get 1866 MHz or higher memory, as the integrated graphics really does need the extra memory bandwidth.  For example:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/408829-patriot-8gb-black-mamba-ddr3-2133mhz-pv38g213c1k

    What else are you getting in your build?  There might be somewhere else that it is easy to save money.

    Well as you know i was planning to get the a10-5800k APU But i can afford that gfx card so i might aswell pay for it. Can i ask how much gaming difference that will give me than the a10 APU?

    This motherboard for the APU- http://www.ebuyer.com/406365-gigabyte-ga-f2a75m-hd2-a75-socket-fm2-vga-dvi-hdmi-7-1-channel-audio-matx-ga-f2a75m-hd2

    HDD: http://www.ebuyer.com/241715-wd-500gb-blue-desktop-drive-wd5000aakx

    Case: http://www.ebuyer.com/343262-cit-vantage-gaming-case-black-hd-audio-black-interior-4-fans-card-cscitvan

    Depending on what the limiting factor is, a Radeon HD 7750 might be anywhere from 50% faster than Radeon HD 7660G integrated graphics up to about twice as fast.  But if you're going to get a discrete video card right away, I'd go with the FX-6300 instead, and that means you need a Socket AM3+ motherboard.

  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Karaminal
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    For CPU performance, you're looking at a question of whether four faster cores or six slower cores are better.  Piledriver cores in the A10-5800K are faster than Bulldozer cores in the FX-6100, even at the same clock speed.  And that's on top of being clocked higher.  FX-*300 processors have the same Piledriver cores as the A10-5800K.

    For GPU performance, it depends on what card you get.  On a strict £50 budget, you're not going to get anything faster than the Radeon HD 7660G integrated graphics.  If you're willing to nudge your budget upward a bit, then an FX-6300 together with a Radeon HD 7750 is clearly better than an A10-5800K:

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-338-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-294-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1699

    But if not, then I'd recommend saving some money and going with integrated graphics in the A10-5800K.  If you do that, then make sure you get 1866 MHz or higher memory, as the integrated graphics really does need the extra memory bandwidth.  For example:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/408829-patriot-8gb-black-mamba-ddr3-2133mhz-pv38g213c1k

    What else are you getting in your build?  There might be somewhere else that it is easy to save money.

    Well as you know i was planning to get the a10-5800k APU But i can afford that gfx card so i might aswell pay for it. Can i ask how much gaming difference that will give me than the a10 APU?

    This motherboard for the APU- http://www.ebuyer.com/406365-gigabyte-ga-f2a75m-hd2-a75-socket-fm2-vga-dvi-hdmi-7-1-channel-audio-matx-ga-f2a75m-hd2

    HDD: http://www.ebuyer.com/241715-wd-500gb-blue-desktop-drive-wd5000aakx

    Case: http://www.ebuyer.com/343262-cit-vantage-gaming-case-black-hd-audio-black-interior-4-fans-card-cscitvan

    Depending on what the limiting factor is, a Radeon HD 7750 might be anywhere from 50% faster than Radeon HD 7660G integrated graphics up to about twice as fast.  But if you're going to get a discrete video card right away, I'd go with the FX-6300 instead, and that means you need a Socket AM3+ motherboard.

    Would it be better to get the A10 apu and then get a discrete card or the fx 6300 and the 7750? By the way ive been hearing the sapphire one is 30% less improvement than the redeon brands. And im only in needs on games like TSW and GW2. Would the fx 6300 and 7750 be overkill for games such as GW2 and TSW, TERA, etc.

  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Also can you explain to me why GDDR5 is so exspensive than GDDR3? Its just one of those where i have the money but i dont want to spend it...
  • RojiinRojiin Starkville, MSPosts: 51Member

    The 7750 would not be overkill at all.  It would be playable with most options turned off in those games you listed.

    No one has mentioned the A10 and 7750 in hybrid crossfire.  I do not know much about that setup other than it is supported by AMD.  I have read that it provides good performance, but do know how many issues might crop up from it.  I am not recommending it, but it is something to research and check out in your games tech forums specifically to see if it works well with those games.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    The 7750 would let you play gw2 on medium and tsw on low.

    To play tsw on high you need like a 7850 or possibly a 7870. I couldn't play it on high with a 6850 which is quite a bit faster than the 7750. (falls between 7770 and 7850 on the new cards)

    What's the video card in your old rig? If its half decent my recommendation would be get the 6300 now with your old video card then save up for a 7850 / 7870 / 660gtx
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    I recently got the 6300 and I like it a lot. It's good bang for your buck, it plays most games like a high end i5, but works out much cheaper. Good processor for a mid range gaming rig.
  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    The 7750 would let you play gw2 on medium and tsw on low.

    To play tsw on high you need like a 7850 or possibly a 7870. I couldn't play it on high with a 6850 which is quite a bit faster than the 7750. (falls between 7770 and 7850 on the new cards)

    What's the video card in your old rig? If its half decent my recommendation would be get the 6300 now with your old video card then save up for a 7850 / 7870 / 660gtx

    Doesnt make sense really because the a10 5800k apu will play GW2 on med settings aswell, so theres no point in me paying 85 pounds just to play with the 7750 on medium + the fx 6300?

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Yeah,but with the 6300 and a better gpu you can play every single current game (not just mmos) maxed out on a hd monitor. It depends what your long term goals are hardware wise. Personally I think now is the time to start getting a good gaming computer with the next gen of consoles around the corner. I don't see the point in building an entry level ganking pc, to then find you need to upgrade everything next year as all if a sudden games have much higher sysreqs due to being ported from the next gen consoles.

    That said if you only play mmos, there's only really two that tax your system, tsw & planetside 2. But I would expect EQ next to have same says reqs as planetside 2 and TESO to be fairly high, somewhere between gw2 and tsw.
  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Yeah,but with the 6300 and a better gpu you can play every single current game (not just mmos) maxed out on a hd monitor. It depends what your long term goals are hardware wise. Personally I think now is the time to start getting a good gaming computer with the next gen of consoles around the corner. I don't see the point in building an entry level ganking pc, to then find you need to upgrade everything next year as all if a sudden games have much higher sysreqs due to being ported from the next gen consoles.

    That said if you only play mmos, there's only really two that tax your system, tsw & planetside 2. But I would expect EQ next to have same says reqs as planetside 2 and TESO to be fairly high, somewhere between gw2 and tsw.

    Well can you find me a better gpu than the 7750?

  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAPosts: 4,173Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Karaminal
    Originally posted by ShakyMo Yeah,but with the 6300 and a better gpu you can play every single current game (not just mmos) maxed out on a hd monitor. It depends what your long term goals are hardware wise. Personally I think now is the time to start getting a good gaming computer with the next gen of consoles around the corner. I don't see the point in building an entry level ganking pc, to then find you need to upgrade everything next year as all if a sudden games have much higher sysreqs due to being ported from the next gen consoles. That said if you only play mmos, there's only really two that tax your system, tsw & planetside 2. But I would expect EQ next to have same says reqs as planetside 2 and TESO to be fairly high, somewhere between gw2 and tsw.
    Well can you find me a better gpu than the 7750?

    There are plenty of "better" GPU's, the problem is your budget can't afford any of them.

    If you are buying a discrete card (7750 would be the lowest I would look, anything less than that and your wasting your money imho - and I may even stretch that and say that you may want to look at the 7770 as the floor, except a 7750 is a meaningful upgrade from APU graphics), then go with the FX-6300. If you decide you can't afford it at this time, but want to keep the option of upgrading later on, then go with the A10.

    The hybrid option may exist, but documentation on it is sketchy - I spent 30 minutes looking for a compatibility chart for the A10, and couldn't find anything, even on AMD's site. Best I can tell, the discrete graphics (7670D) are roughly equivalent to a 6670, and as such, the only confirmed reports I could find were with hCFX working with a 6670 discrete card. In one review, I found some benchmarks, and it worked, sorta - some games didn't see any CFX benefit, others saw some benefit, but would likely have been outstripped by a single 7750 anyway.

    http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46157-amd-a10-5800k-dual-graphics-evaluation/

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,774Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karaminal
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Depending on what the limiting factor is, a Radeon HD 7750 might be anywhere from 50% faster than Radeon HD 7660G integrated graphics up to about twice as fast.  But if you're going to get a discrete video card right away, I'd go with the FX-6300 instead, and that means you need a Socket AM3+ motherboard.

    Would it be better to get the A10 apu and then get a discrete card or the fx 6300 and the 7750? By the way ive been hearing the sapphire one is 30% less improvement than the redeon brands. And im only in needs on games like TSW and GW2. Would the fx 6300 and 7750 be overkill for games such as GW2 and TSW, TERA, etc.

    An FX-6300 is better on the CPU side than an A10-5800K.  The CPU cores themselves are the same, but an FX-6300 has six of them, while an A10-5800K has four.  An FX-6300 also has L3 cache that the A10-5800K doesn't have, but that doesn't matter very much.

    The advantage of an A10-5800K over an FX-6300 is that the A10-5800K has integrated graphics and the FX-6300 doesn't.  But that's only an advantage if you'll actually use the integrated graphics.  If you're going to buy a discrete video card anyway, it doesn't matter, so I'd recommend the FX-6300.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,774Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karaminal
    Also can you explain to me why GDDR5 is so exspensive than GDDR3? Its just one of those where i have the money but i dont want to spend it...

    GDDR5 memory is much more expensive than DDR3 because it's much more expensive to produce.  The reason it's used is that it's much faster, typically offering more than double the memory bandwidth of DDR3 at a given memory bus width, and sometimes 3 or 4 times as much.  GDDR3 memory isn't used in video cards anymore, and hasn't been used since 2009.

    If you're going to buy a discrete video card, you want one with GDDR5 video memory, not DDR3.  A higher end GPU chip paired with DDR3 memory will be crippled for lack of memory bandwidth.  A lower end GPU chip that makes sense to pair with DDR3 memory won't be much faster than integrated graphics--and might be much slower than integrated graphics.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,774Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rojiin

    The 7750 would not be overkill at all.  It would be playable with most options turned off in those games you listed.

    No one has mentioned the A10 and 7750 in hybrid crossfire.  I do not know much about that setup other than it is supported by AMD.  I have read that it provides good performance, but do know how many issues might crop up from it.  I am not recommending it, but it is something to research and check out in your games tech forums specifically to see if it works well with those games.

    Hybrid Crossfire doesn't work very well.  The only reasons I could see even trying it in a desktop is if you like to experiment with hardware (e.g., the sort of person who will use liquid nitrogen to overclock an Intel Atom), or if you already have the integrated graphics and someone gives you the discrete card for free or nearly so.

  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Rojiin

    The 7750 would not be overkill at all.  It would be playable with most options turned off in those games you listed.

    No one has mentioned the A10 and 7750 in hybrid crossfire.  I do not know much about that setup other than it is supported by AMD.  I have read that it provides good performance, but do know how many issues might crop up from it.  I am not recommending it, but it is something to research and check out in your games tech forums specifically to see if it works well with those games.

    Hybrid Crossfire doesn't work very well.  The only reasons I could see even trying it in a desktop is if you like to experiment with hardware (e.g., the sort of person who will use liquid nitrogen to overclock an Intel Atom), or if you already have the integrated graphics and someone gives you the discrete card for free or nearly so.

    Okay thanks for your info guys and it has helped me come to a decision that i will buy the fx 6300 and a 7750 gfcx card. Can  anybody find me a good motherboard for £30 - £45 for an AM3+ socket chip from http://www.ebuyer.com/ It would help me alot because i dont know anything about motherboards...

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,774Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karaminal
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Rojiin

    The 7750 would not be overkill at all.  It would be playable with most options turned off in those games you listed.

    No one has mentioned the A10 and 7750 in hybrid crossfire.  I do not know much about that setup other than it is supported by AMD.  I have read that it provides good performance, but do know how many issues might crop up from it.  I am not recommending it, but it is something to research and check out in your games tech forums specifically to see if it works well with those games.

    Hybrid Crossfire doesn't work very well.  The only reasons I could see even trying it in a desktop is if you like to experiment with hardware (e.g., the sort of person who will use liquid nitrogen to overclock an Intel Atom), or if you already have the integrated graphics and someone gives you the discrete card for free or nearly so.

    Okay thanks for your info guys and it has helped me come to a decision that i will buy the fx 6300 and a 7750 gfcx card. Can  anybody find me a good motherboard for £30 - £45 for an AM3+ socket chip from http://www.ebuyer.com/ It would help me alot because i dont know anything about motherboards...

    The proper platform for an AM3+ socket CPU is an AMD 900 series chipset.  Those cost more than you were hoping to pay, but here's the cheapest one on the site:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/349910-gigabyte-ga-970a-ds3-socket-am3-7-1-channel-audio-atx-motherboard-ga-970a-ds3

    There are some cheaper AM3+ motherboards with the very old AMD 760G chipset, and those would probably work, but they might not--and even if they do, it will likely be with some features disabled.

  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Karaminal
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Rojiin

    The 7750 would not be overkill at all.  It would be playable with most options turned off in those games you listed.

    No one has mentioned the A10 and 7750 in hybrid crossfire.  I do not know much about that setup other than it is supported by AMD.  I have read that it provides good performance, but do know how many issues might crop up from it.  I am not recommending it, but it is something to research and check out in your games tech forums specifically to see if it works well with those games.

    Hybrid Crossfire doesn't work very well.  The only reasons I could see even trying it in a desktop is if you like to experiment with hardware (e.g., the sort of person who will use liquid nitrogen to overclock an Intel Atom), or if you already have the integrated graphics and someone gives you the discrete card for free or nearly so.

    Okay thanks for your info guys and it has helped me come to a decision that i will buy the fx 6300 and a 7750 gfcx card. Can  anybody find me a good motherboard for £30 - £45 for an AM3+ socket chip from http://www.ebuyer.com/ It would help me alot because i dont know anything about motherboards...

    The proper platform for an AM3+ socket CPU is an AMD 900 series chipset.  Those cost more than you were hoping to pay, but here's the cheapest one on the site:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/349910-gigabyte-ga-970a-ds3-socket-am3-7-1-channel-audio-atx-motherboard-ga-970a-ds3

    There are some cheaper AM3+ motherboards with the very old AMD 760G chipset, and those would probably work, but they might not--and even if they do, it will likely be with some features disabled.

    Well i dont mind paying £52 pounds on it then its no worries :) Are there no cheaper ones though?

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,774Member Uncommon

    Here's all of the ones that the site has:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/search?a00050=AMD+970&subcat=3536&cat=222

    http://www.ebuyer.com/search?a00050=AMD+990X&subcat=3536&cat=222

    http://www.ebuyer.com/search?a00050=AMD+990FX&subcat=3536&cat=222

    If a motherboard costs less than about £50, you should seriously worry about it being a piece of junk.

  • KaraminalKaraminal BirminghamPosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Here's all of the ones that the site has:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/search?a00050=AMD+970&subcat=3536&cat=222

    http://www.ebuyer.com/search?a00050=AMD+990X&subcat=3536&cat=222

    http://www.ebuyer.com/search?a00050=AMD+990FX&subcat=3536&cat=222

    If a motherboard costs less than about £50, you should seriously worry about it being a piece of junk.

    Thanks alot for this, im just pick up that 52 quid one. Its free delivery too so i might aswell. Also not sure on the hardrive to get, it only has to be 500GB and a decent one but they all look the same to me :S

  • grndzrogrndzro Reno, NVPosts: 1,150Member

    With a budget like that I think you should start thinking about Ebay UK. 

    Your odds of getting a useable system for the money might just be better trusting individuals not to rip you off.

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