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just WOW. This game has changed. I encourage those who haven't to give it another go.

NightvergeNightverge Puyallup, WAPosts: 211Member

     So I played this game in beta and I really liked it. I didn't get extremely far and left it a little while afterwards as I got kind of bored.

I recently went back to give it another go and the servers are all populated extremely well. Sith and republic sides are actually pretty even. Ship combat has improved and the game looks phenomenal. I thought GW2 would be my game of choice but it failed to capture me.

     I found myself coming back to SWTOR and am extremely happy with my purchase. I recommend everyone let go of what they think to be true and give it another go.

     Also all of the reports about doom and gloom are unfounded. An article was just released that there are still 1.3 million players playing the game. they only suffered a 400k loss (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/07/swtor-subscriber-base-shrinks) from 1.7 to 1.3 million. Which makes it the second largest sub game out currently (to WoW of course).

     An expansion is also planned to be released shortly.

     See you guys in game!

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Is this some kind of wind up? That article was done in May 2012, 8 months ago, when the game was not F2P, and it had 200 servers.

    The servers are only full for now, due to F2P just being put in and the holidays, but enjoy it while it lasts, as in a a few months time it will be a lot quieter.

  • NightvergeNightverge Puyallup, WAPosts: 211Member

    Do you have something against joy? lol. That is the last known report of the SWTOR subscription base. As far as I know its still the second largest MMO out there. The article isn't THAT old. The game didn't have 200 servers then either.

     

    Regardless I'm loving it. The chat is full of people who are also. So I guess you can sit and rage about how people like the game lol.

  • NightvergeNightverge Puyallup, WAPosts: 211Member
    Originally posted by Whiskeydust

    Just another example of what happens when you legalize pot........

    it's not good or or ever was..... Now p2p. Sigh

    Actually it is good. As the reviews state clearly others loved it also.

    Do you guys even play MMOs? if so which one do you play?

    If you think any MMO is really ever a ghost town you know nothing about MMO's. Once servers become too light they just merge servers.

    Due to this it is extremely difficult for any MMO to really die. Does it matter how many servers there are? Not really. All that matters is when you log in there are lots of people. Which there are now.

  • NightvergeNightverge Puyallup, WAPosts: 211Member
    Originally posted by Whiskeydust
    Originally posted by Nightverge

    Do you have something against joy? lol. That is the last known report of the SWTOR subscription base. As far as I know its still the second largest MMO out there. The article isn't THAT old. The game didn't have 200 servers then either.

     

    Regardless I'm loving it. The chat is full of people who are also. So I guess you can sit and rage about how people like the game lol.

    I have not noticed any of your so called RAGE anywhere in the posts following your

    attemt at joining the fanboi ranks

         seriously? Your calling me a fanboi just because I'm asking people to give it another go and saying that I'm having fun in the game? 

    Your the one pulling drugs and insults into it lol. I'm just saying I'm liking it. Its fun, populated, and as far as the statistics say not nearly even close to dying.

    There are pages of full servers as of right now. Not many people are even using the F2P thing as its pretty limited and only intended to be a small demo. Everybody I've talked to at all online is subscribed.

  • WhiskeydustWhiskeydust New York, NYPosts: 62Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nightverge
    Originally posted by Whiskeydust
    Originally posted by Nightverge

    Do you have something against joy? lol. That is the last known report of the SWTOR subscription base. As far as I know its still the second largest MMO out there. The article isn't THAT old. The game didn't have 200 servers then either.

     

    Regardless I'm loving it. The chat is full of people who are also. So I guess you can sit and rage about how people like the game lol.

    I have not noticed any of your so called RAGE anywhere in the posts following your

    attemt at joining the fanboi ranks

         seriously? Your calling me a fanboi just because I'm asking people to give it another go and saying that I'm having fun in the game? 

    Your the one pulling drugs and insults into it lol. I'm just saying I'm liking it. Its fun, populated, and as far as the statistics say not nearly even close to dying.

    There are pages of full servers as of right now. Not many people are even using the F2P thing as its pretty limited and only intended to be a small demo. Everybody I've talked to at all online is subscribed.

    But yet your here!!!    

  • CelciusCelcius Posts: 1,001Member Uncommon

    SWTOR has far less then 1.3 million active subs. In order for them to break even they need 500k subs, in order to make money they needed a million subs. They obviously arent close to that since they went F2P. The servers are popular because it just went F2P and it is still pretty close to the holidays. Give it a couple of months. Although, I would assume by then you will have taken your rose colored glasses off. SWTOR is no where close to #2 MMO. I would say GW2 is #2 atm. Considering that Aion was the 2nd biggest before GW2 and GW2 is making way more money then Aion.

    Not to mention that most F2P players are not actually buying anything in the cash shop and the only thing F2P is managing to do is pull in additional revenue from the current subs. Most of those guys accept the restrictions and are simply playing through the story without paying a cent. (i know a couple of them) So the second you start getting to the sub base of the game and deal with long warzone que times, flashpoint finder que times, and a difficulty in finding a guild with an active raid group..it is pretty hard to judge the population at a glance. 

  • KrematoryKrematory TVNPosts: 542Member Uncommon
    Do you spend your time ingame asking people if they pay a sub or not? If not, your data doesn't prove anything. If yes, is the game that boring?

    "EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

  • NightvergeNightverge Puyallup, WAPosts: 211Member
    Originally posted by Whiskeydust
    Originally posted by Nightverge
    Originally posted by Whiskeydust
    Originally posted by Nightverge

    Do you have something against joy? lol. That is the last known report of the SWTOR subscription base. As far as I know its still the second largest MMO out there. The article isn't THAT old. The game didn't have 200 servers then either.

     

    Regardless I'm loving it. The chat is full of people who are also. So I guess you can sit and rage about how people like the game lol.

    I have not noticed any of your so called RAGE anywhere in the posts following your

    attemt at joining the fanboi ranks

         seriously? Your calling me a fanboi just because I'm asking people to give it another go and saying that I'm having fun in the game? 

    Your the one pulling drugs and insults into it lol. I'm just saying I'm liking it. Its fun, populated, and as far as the statistics say not nearly even close to dying.

    There are pages of full servers as of right now. Not many people are even using the F2P thing as its pretty limited and only intended to be a small demo. Everybody I've talked to at all online is subscribed.

    But yet your here!!!    

    its true I am. There are times when I'm not logged on believe it or not. Right now I'm waiting for an update. I guess the biggest part I don't udnerstand is what are people actually playing then?

    If this game is so horrible I fail to see any game out right now that would appease the standards set. It certainly isn't star trek online.

     

    From what I can see this game offers the best at everything it does. I don't see any other MMO's out there to play. Tried WoW. Tried GW2 (clearly as I haven't even changed my sig yet). Tried TSW. I've tried all of those games and SWTOR seems to be the best one out there.

     

    I'm also confused why some people think its dying. Have you even logged onto the game? Its far from that.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    There were plenty of people around me when I logged into after the F2P transition. Not as many as when I played just after release, but that's not surprising really. It's not likely that they'll get back to 1.3 or 1.7 million people, but they'll certainly get more people into the game with "free" than "box + sub". Anyone who liked the game, but not enough to pay a sub would probably enjoy the game now, for free.

    It's not substantially different from when the game released though.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nightverge

    Do you have something against joy? lol. That is the last known report of the SWTOR subscription base. As far as I know its still the second largest MMO out there. The article isn't THAT old. The game didn't have 200 servers then either.

    Regardless I'm loving it. The chat is full of people who are also. So I guess you can sit and rage about how people like the game lol.

     

    Here is a more recent report

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19077238

    with figures declined to below 1 million and the "current performance "not good enough"" from EA themselves.

    and there has not been any official numbers released since, meaning the figure is nothing to be proud of, and worse than that

     

    btw, I am not against people having fun, but posting old news is wrong / misleading

     

    Here is a list of servers as at Dec 12th 2011 + 3 Asian servers were added around March:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=254

    SWTOR US West Servers

    RP-PvP Servers (1)

    Ajunta Pall – usage: Very Heavy

    RP-PvE Servers (3)

    Begeren Colony – usage: Heavy
    Lord Ieldis – usage: Standard
    Vrook Lamar – usage: Heavy

    PVP Servers (14)

    Black Vulkars – usage: Heavy
    Daragon Trail – usage: Very Heavy
    Dark Reaper – usage: Full
    Infinite Empire – usage: Heavy
    Mandalore the Indomitable – usage: Very Heavy
    Nadd’s Sarcophagus – usage: Heavy
    Rakata Mind Prison – usage: Heavy
    Shadowtown – usage: Standard
    The Bastion – usage: Standard
    The Crucible Pits – usage: Very Heavy
    The Maw – usage: Standard
    The Swiftsure – usage: Heavy
    Warriors of the Shadow – usage: Full
    Wound in the Force – usage: Heavy

    PvE Servers (24)

    Darth Sion – usage: Heavy
    Darth Xedrix – usage: Standard
    Drooga’s Pleasure Barge – usage: Standard
    Empress Teta – usage: Light
    Fa’athra – usage: Light
    Gauntlet of Kressh – usage: Standard
    Hyperspace Cannon – usage: Full
    Kaiburr Crystal – usage: Standard
    Krath – usage: Standard
    Lord Praven – usage: Very Heavy
    Mask of Nihilus – usage: Very Heavy
    Master Gnost-Dural – usage: Light
    Master Zhar Lestin – usage: Very Heavy
    Namadii Corridor – usage: Light
    Perlemian Trade Route – usage: Light
    Soresu – usage: Light
    Space Slug – usage: Full
    The Harbinger – usage: Very Heavy
    The Jekk’Jekk Tarr – usage: Very Heavy
    Veeboo Lunx – usage: Standard
    Vornskr – usage: Very Heavy
    Wall of Light – usage: Standard
    Zaalbar – usage: Standard
    Zakkeg Beast – usage: Light

    SWTOR US East Servers

    PVP Servers (27)

    Anchorhead – usage: Full
    Belgoth’s Beacon – usage: Very Heavy
    Bondar Crystal – usage: Very Heavy
    Cho Mai – usage: Standard
    Darth Malak – usage: Standard
    Davik’s Estate – usage: Very Heavy
    Death Wind Corridor – usage: Full
    Firkrann Crystal – usage: Heavy
    Gardens of Talla – usage: Standard
    Hedarr Soongh – usage: Very Heavy
    Helm of Graush – usage: Full
    Infinity Gate – usage: Standard
    Iron Citadel – usage: Full
    Kinrath Spider – usage: Full
    Naddist Rebels – usage: Very Heavy
    Port Nowhere – usage: Full
    Prophecy of the Five – usage: Full
    Rwookrrorro – usage: Light
    Saber of Exar Kun – usage: Very Heavy
    Sword of Ajunta Pall – usage: Very Heavy
    Terentatek – usage: Full
    The Deadweight – usage: Standard
    The Fatman – usage: Full
    The Twin Spears – usage: Full
    Thendys Noori – usage: Light
    Veela – usage: Full
    Vulkar Highway – usage: Full

    PvE Servers (47)

    Anturi Reach – usage: Light
    Assassins of Sion – usage: Standard
    Axial Park – usage: Light
    Canderous Ordo – usage: Full
    Colonel Tobin – usage: Light
    Corellian Run – usage: Full
    Crevasse City – usage: Light
    Darth Bandon – usage: Very Heavy
    Dreshdae Cantina – usage: Very Heavy
    Eidolon Security – usage: Light
    Elysium – usage: Standard
    Firaxan Shark – usage: Light
    Fort Garnik – usage: Light
    Giradda the Hutt – usage: Very Heavy
    Grand Master Zym – usage: Full
    Hanharr – usage: Light
    ICE Breaker – usage: Standard
    Jedi Covenant – usage: Very Heavy
    Juyo – usage: Very Heavy
    Kaas City – usage: Very Heavy
    Kathol Rift – usage: Heavy
    Keetael – usage: Light
    Keller’s Void – usage: Full
    Khoonda Militia – usage: Light
    Ki-Ta Kren – usage: Light
    Krayiss Obelisk – usage: Standard
    Krayt Dragon – usage: Full
    Master Dorak – usage: Light
    Mind Trick – usage: Full
    Nathema – usage: Light
    Public Test – Weekly Patches – usage: Light
    Sedyn Kyne – usage: Light
    Shadow Hand – usage: Full
    Shii-Cho – usage: Heavy
    Sith Meditation Sphere – usage: Very Heavy
    Sith Wyrm – usage: Very Heavy
    Tarro Blood – usage: Full
    Telos Restoration Project – usage: Standard
    Thana Vesh – usage: Standard
    The Constant – usage: Heavy
    The Corsair – usage: Heavy
    The Courageous – usage: Standard
    The Defenestrator – usage: Light
    The Razor – usage: Standard
    The Shadowlands – usage: Very Heavy
    Whitebeam Run – usage: Standard
    Zez-Kai Ell – usage: Light

    RP-PvP Servers (2)

    Jung Ma – usage: Full
    Ven Zallow – usage: Heavy

    RP-PvE Servers (6)

    Kath Hound – usage: Standard
    Lord Adraas – usage: Very Heavy
    Rubat Crystal – usage: Heavy
    Sanctum of the Exalted – usage: Very Heavy
    Shien – usage: Very Heavy
    The Ebon Hawk – usage: Very Heavy

    SWTOR European Servers – English

    PVP Servers (21)

    Ahto City – usage: Full
    Basilisk Droid – usage: Full
    Bloodworthy – usage: Full
    Chuundar – usage: Full
    Hex Droid – usage: Full
    Kai-kan – usage: Very Heavy
    Legions of Lettow – usage: Full
    Niman – usage: Very Heavy
    Scepter of Ragnos – usage: Very Heavy
    Senator Contispex – usage: Standard
    Starstorm One – usage: Very Heavy
    Tassaa Bareesh – usage: Standard
    The Exile’s Crystal – usage: Heavy
    The Kumumgah – usage: Light
    The Ravager – usage: Very Heavy
    The Shadow Runner – usage: Very Heavy
    Tomb of Freedon Nadd – usage: Full
    Tott Doneeta – usage: Standard
    Trayus Academy – usage: Full
    Ula Vii – usage: Standard
    Uthar Wynn – usage: Full

    PvE Servers (20)

    Bacca’s Blade – usage: Standard
    Bao-Dur – usage: Heavy
    Dune Bantha – usage: Standard
    Dxun Battle Circle – usage: Standard
    Eye of Ashlanae – usage: Standard
    Flames of the Crucible – usage: Standard
    Frostclaw – usage: Very Heavy
    Goluud Corridor – usage: Standard
    Hidden Beks – usage: Very Heavy
    Hydian Way – usage: Very Heavy
    Kellian Jarro – usage: Heavy
    Ludo Kressh – usage: Heavy
    Luka Sene – usage: Very Heavy
    Nightmare Lands – usage: Full
    Peragus Mining Facility – usage: Full
    Rogue Moon – usage: Very Heavy
    Sith’ari – usage: Very Heavy
    Sluis Shipyards – usage: Standard
    The Arkanian Legacy – usage: Standard
    The Red Eclipse – usage: Full

    RP-PvP Servers (1)

    Lord Calypho – usage: Full

    RP-PvE Servers (3)

    Shaltin Tunnels – usage: Standard
    The Progenitor – usage: Full
    Trask Ulgo – usage: Full

    SWTOR European Servers – French

    PVP Servers (8)

    Atris – usage: Standard
    Baron Deathmark – usage: Full
    Darth Nihilus – usage: Full
    Dol Grenn – usage: Standard
    Hrakert Rift – usage: Full
    Mecrosa Order – usage: Very Heavy
    Princess Galia – usage: Standard
    Star Map – usage: Full

    RP-PvE Servers (2)

    Battle Meditation – usage: Very Heavy
    Kessel Run – usage: Very Heavy

    PvE Servers (5)

    Hssiss – usage: Full
    Kissai Caste – usage: Full
    Mantle of the Force – usage: Very Heavy
    Phateem Halls of Knowledge – usage: Very Heavy
    Vodo-Siosk Baas – usage: Very Heavy

    RP-PvP Servers (1)

    Huntmaster – usage: Very Heavy

    SWTOR European Servers – German

    PVP Servers (11)

    Blotus the Hutt – usage: Standard
    Brianna – usage: Standard
    Darth Revan’s Mask – usage: Full
    Darth Traya – usage: Full
    Exis Station – usage: Standard
    Gnawer’s Roost – usage: Heavy
    Jar’Kai Sword – usage: Full
    Loramarr – usage: Very Heavy
    Pius Dea – usage: Full
    The Krath Enchanter – usage: Full
    The Restoration Zone – usage: Full

    RP-PvE Servers (3)

    Cassus Fett – usage: Full
    Vanjervalis Chain – usage: Very Heavy
    Zayne Carrick – usage: Standard

    PvE Servers (15)

    Darth Andeddu – usage: Full
    Dreypa’s Oubliette – usage: Heavy
    Exar Kun – usage: Very Heavy
    Force Harvester – usage: Full
    Handmaidens of Atris – usage: Very Heavy
    Lenico Gargantuan – usage: Standard
    Murakami Orchid – usage: Standard
    Odacer-Faustin Academy – usage: Standard
    Opila Crystal – usage: Full
    Sith Triumvirate – usage: Full
    Stereb Cities – usage: Standard
    Supreme Commander Stantorrs – usage: Full
    T3-M4 – usage: Full
    The Cinzia – usage: Standard
    The Jedi Tower – usage: Full

    RP-PvP Servers (1)

    Jen’jidai – usage: Full

     

     

    Servers transfers started in June 2012, and finalised in September, to the 20 that are now

  • NightvergeNightverge Puyallup, WAPosts: 211Member
    Originally posted by Celcius

    SWTOR has far less then 1.3 million active subs. In order for them to break even they need 500k subs, in order to make money they needed a million subs. They obviously arent close to that since they went F2P. The servers are popular because it just went F2P and it is still pretty close to the holidays. Give it a couple of months. Although, I would assume by then you will have taken your rose colored glasses off. SWTOR is no where close to #2 MMO. I would say GW2 is #2 atm. Considering that Aion was the 2nd biggest before GW2 and GW2 is making way more money then Aion.

    Not to mention that most F2P players are not actually buying anything in the cash shop and the only thing F2P is managing to do is pull in additional revenue from the current subs. Most of those guys accept the restrictions and are simply playing through the story without paying a cent. (i know a couple of them) So the second you start getting to the sub base of the game and deal with long warzone que times, flashpoint finder que times, and a difficulty in finding a guild with an active raid group..it is pretty hard to judge the population at a glance. 

    Its hard to judge GW2 at any given point due to its unsub format. I wasn't counting it as technically it has zero subscriptions. As I stated I don't know anyone who is unsubbed. No I don't run around asking everyone but at the same time its pretty easy to tell who has the restrictions and who doesn't. Personally que times don't bother me ever but I know from personal experience I don't wait over a minute ever. Is that long? to some I guess.

     

    Do you have a source for saying it has less than 1.3 million subs? because I have a source saying the opposite. An old source is better than no source at all in my book, thus I will rely off of the valid statistical evidence provided.

    Anyways I don't really care how many people are playing because there will always be enough to fill at least one server. So really it doesn't matter. I could care less what people are doing on other servers, I don't play with them.

    As I asked before what is anyone playing then? If not this? GW2 quickly bored me as did WoW and TSW and Rift and TERA. Unless everybody just runs to different forums to hate on everything that's out. I could point out far more flaws about any of those listed games than SWTOR for sure. Which is why I've landed back here. 

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nightverge
    Originally posted by Celcius

    SWTOR has far less then 1.3 million active subs. In order for them to break even they need 500k subs, in order to make money they needed a million subs. They obviously arent close to that since they went F2P. The servers are popular because it just went F2P and it is still pretty close to the holidays. Give it a couple of months. Although, I would assume by then you will have taken your rose colored glasses off. SWTOR is no where close to #2 MMO. I would say GW2 is #2 atm. Considering that Aion was the 2nd biggest before GW2 and GW2 is making way more money then Aion.

    Not to mention that most F2P players are not actually buying anything in the cash shop and the only thing F2P is managing to do is pull in additional revenue from the current subs. Most of those guys accept the restrictions and are simply playing through the story without paying a cent. (i know a couple of them) So the second you start getting to the sub base of the game and deal with long warzone que times, flashpoint finder que times, and a difficulty in finding a guild with an active raid group..it is pretty hard to judge the population at a glance. 

    Its hard to judge GW2 at any given point due to its unsub format. I wasn't counting it as technically it has zero subscriptions. As I stated I don't know anyone who is unsubbed. No I don't run around asking everyone but at the same time its pretty easy to tell who has the restrictions and who doesn't. Personally que times don't bother me ever but I know from personal experience I don't wait over a minute ever. Is that long? to some I guess.

     

    Do you have a source for saying it has less than 1.3 million subs? because I have a source saying the opposite. An old source is better than no source at all in my book, thus I will rely off of the valid statistical evidence provided.

    Anyways I don't really care how many people are playing because there will always be enough to fill at least one server. So really it doesn't matter. I could care less what people are doing on other servers, I don't play with them.

    As I asked before what is anyone playing then? If not this? GW2 quickly bored me as did WoW and TSW and Rift and TERA. Unless everybody just runs to different forums to hate on everything that's out. I could point out far more flaws about any of those listed games than SWTOR for sure. Which is why I've landed back here. 

    Your argument is so terrible, it's difficult for me to express how deeply my facepalm is being expressed.

     

    8 months ago an article expressed that the population was declining rapidly by showing that the subs went from 1.7 mil to 1.3 mil. Some time after that, they merged ~200 servers down to 20 servers. After that, the game went F2P in order to attract customers who would not have payed to play the game.

     

    Your "statistical evidence" is from 8 months ago and useless. So embarrassingly useless, that it only serves to help discredit whatever positive message you might be trying to get across. Populations have gone up since F2P, but 20 servers are not housing 1.3 million players.

  • hikaru77hikaru77 buenos airesPosts: 1,035Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Is this some kind of wind up? That article was done in May 2012, 8 months ago, when the game was not F2P, and it had 200 servers.

    The servers are only full for now, due to F2P just being put in and the holidays, but enjoy it while it lasts, as in a a few months time it will be a lot quieter.

    Yes, i remember people talking about how the game will die like a year ago and the servers have been heavy even after the F2P, 1.7 update is close and it will bring back Illum, then the expansion, im sorry but the population will keep growing in the next months.  Is ok if you dont like the game, but there is really a lo of people who play it, and enjoy it everyday. 

  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member
    I thought you were going to say they've actually improved the game in some way, or are you just excited that it's more populated?

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • bliss14bliss14 eleva, WIPosts: 565Member
    Originally posted by Nightverge

    its true I am. There are times when I'm not logged on believe it or not. Right now I'm waiting for an update. I guess the biggest part I don't udnerstand is what are people actually playing then?

    I'm playing Aion for the first time and it's pretty fun.  No interest in playing Star Wars, I never did like the movies anyway.  George Lucas and Steven Spielberg raped Indiana Jones.

    http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/1mrx

  • ZierrityZierrity tonsbergPosts: 230Member Uncommon

    I for one am glad your enjoying the game OP, and I do hope that you'll find lots of happiness and joy there, even though I didn't :)

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  • davestr1zldavestr1zl MelbPosts: 218Member
    Originally posted by Nightverge
    Originally posted by Celcius

    SWTOR has far less then 1.3 million active subs. In order for them to break even they need 500k subs, in order to make money they needed a million subs. They obviously arent close to that since they went F2P. The servers are popular because it just went F2P and it is still pretty close to the holidays. Give it a couple of months. Although, I would assume by then you will have taken your rose colored glasses off. SWTOR is no where close to #2 MMO. I would say GW2 is #2 atm. Considering that Aion was the 2nd biggest before GW2 and GW2 is making way more money then Aion.

    Not to mention that most F2P players are not actually buying anything in the cash shop and the only thing F2P is managing to do is pull in additional revenue from the current subs. Most of those guys accept the restrictions and are simply playing through the story without paying a cent. (i know a couple of them) So the second you start getting to the sub base of the game and deal with long warzone que times, flashpoint finder que times, and a difficulty in finding a guild with an active raid group..it is pretty hard to judge the population at a glance. 

    Its hard to judge GW2 at any given point due to its unsub format. I wasn't counting it as technically it has zero subscriptions. As I stated I don't know anyone who is unsubbed. No I don't run around asking everyone but at the same time its pretty easy to tell who has the restrictions and who doesn't. Personally que times don't bother me ever but I know from personal experience I don't wait over a minute ever. Is that long? to some I guess.

     

    Do you have a source for saying it has less than 1.3 million subs? because I have a source saying the opposite. An old source is better than no source at all in my book, thus I will rely off of the valid statistical evidence provided.

    Anyways I don't really care how many people are playing because there will always be enough to fill at least one server. So really it doesn't matter. I could care less what people are doing on other servers, I don't play with them.

    As I asked before what is anyone playing then? If not this? GW2 quickly bored me as did WoW and TSW and Rift and TERA. Unless everybody just runs to different forums to hate on everything that's out. I could point out far more flaws about any of those listed games than SWTOR for sure. Which is why I've landed back here. 

    EA THEMSELVES announced at their last conference call (still a fair bit before the game went F2P) that the numbers had dropped below 1 million, but were above 500k. That was the last announcement on numbers for the game, and most likely will be the last announcement ever - unless they have an absolutely huge increase worth announcing.

  • curacura WarsawPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    The game hasnt changed much. They added raid or two, an flashpoint and warzone plus servers that are left are better populated. Old problems are still there though.
  • mikahrmikahr ZagrebPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by Vhaln
    I thought you were going to say they've actually improved the game in some way, or are you just excited that it's more populated?

    Game hasnt changed in any way, well, UI is MMO standard now and theres a cash shop and free trial to level 50, paid content updates, but thats about it.

    Oh, and they just announced open world PvP is on back burner indefinately and they will concentrate on WZs. So yah, it has changed as in no more open world PvP.

    Originally posted by davestr1zl

    EA THEMSELVES announced at their last conference call (still a fair bit before the game went F2P) that the numbers had dropped below 1 million, but were above 500k. That was the last announcement on numbers for the game, and most likely will be the last announcement ever - unless they have an absolutely huge increase worth announcing.

    Nah, last one after 500k-1m was "we dont want to discuss subs any more".

    Originally posted by Zierrity

    I for one am glad your enjoying the game OP, and I do hope that you'll find lots of happiness and joy there, even though I didn't :)

    Its one thing to enjoy the game, completely another to say "just WOW it has changed so much" when it didnt change at all and linking 8 months old nubers which have dropped off significantly.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Is this some kind of wind up? That article was done in May 2012, 8 months ago, when the game was not F2P, and it had 200 servers.

    The servers are only full for now, due to F2P just being put in and the holidays, but enjoy it while it lasts, as in a a few months time it will be a lot quieter.

    Yes, i remember people talking about how the game will die like a year ago and the servers have been heavy even after the F2P, 1.7 update is close and it will bring back Illum, then the expansion, im sorry but the population will keep growing in the next months.  Is ok if you dont like the game, but there is really a lo of people who play it, and enjoy it everyday. 

    I also remember people saying to the dying comments that it is not dying and all servers are thriving, and not dropping at all but increasing and growing, yet it went F2P and servers went from 200 to 20, with EA themselves saying "the performance is not good enough"

    Heavy is not good enough, they were Very Heavy / Full

    I do not have a problem with the last bit you say, but the game is still the same as it was which bled millions of players. There is nothing coming that will stop the bleeding. The game has gone F2P and is now on its last legs, if it had not gone F2P then you may have had a point.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Nightverge

         So I played this game in beta and I really liked it. I didn't get extremely far and left it a little while afterwards as I got kind of bored.

    I recently went back to give it another go and the servers are all populated extremely well. Sith and republic sides are actually pretty even. Ship combat has improved and the game looks phenomenal. I thought GW2 would be my game of choice but it failed to capture me.

         I found myself coming back to SWTOR and am extremely happy with my purchase. I recommend everyone let go of what they think to be true and give it another go.

         Also all of the reports about doom and gloom are unfounded. An article was just released that there are still 1.3 million players playing the game. they only suffered a 400k loss (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/07/swtor-subscriber-base-shrinks) from 1.7 to 1.3 million. Which makes it the second largest sub game out currently (to WoW of course).

         An expansion is also planned to be released shortly.

         See you guys in game!

    lol... 

    They don't have anywhere near 1.3mil subscribers. Nothing even remotely close to that lol. 

    The most recent information from EA themeselves states this. The fact that they were forced to switch to F2P states this. 

    And what do you mean you are happy with your purchase? You didn't have to purchase it, it is a free to play. You download it and play for free until you feel the need to buy something off of the cartel. Do you mean you are happy that you are paying a sub fee for it? 

     

    That article was also not "just released" lol. 

  • MargraveMargrave Knoxville, TNPosts: 634Member Uncommon

    I don't understand the need to be in an overly popular title.

    As long as it's not completely empty and I can have fun in it I'm fine.

    I don't see a need to be in the biggest lemming group.

  • mrrshann618mrrshann618 Waseca, MNPosts: 227Member Uncommon

    Dear OP,

    Do not feel bad, the game is fun for those who want to enjoy the game for what EA is currently giving, and for what they said f2p is going to be. The f2p model is currently in flux due to the company trying to make a larger gap in the differences between the 3 levels. Eventually all will be ironed out and the 3 gaps should look more along the lines of other f2p. The same group of people will jump in on any person who defends the freedom of choice to enjoy a game of SWTOR becuase "You just don't get it" (Sorry if I'm paraphrasing as I do not want to dig down the quote from one of the members in a prior reply to myself).

    SWTOR is not SWG2, the f2p model is not the same as any other game (then again very few f2p models are the same, but doesn't count for anything as the games THEY defend are the bestest), Cash shops are across the board a grab for money no matter the company behind it or the warm fuzzy feeling you get, Holiday events are the end all be all of a MMO because everyone in the WHOLE world recognizes and celebrates the same events at the same time, The UI interface is obviously a complete fail because it isn't what "I" think it should be. EA is a money grubbing company who only cares about the bottom line (but other companies REALLY care about your feelings and if you are having fun, they will put their bottom line on hold just to make sure you are having fun)

    SWTOR is the WORST game in history. EVERYONE says so, just look it up online, everyone admits it. That makes be a fanboi because I support peoples choice for playing such a horrible game I should feel bad becuase "I'm what is wrong with the MMO industry" (again paraphrasing as I'm just to lazy to track down that post as well) If I would just admit that I'm wrong and acknowledge that the game is horrible than the game can die a thousand deaths and a better SW title can finally be made becuase the next people will obviously listen the the rantings of prior SW games (like they did for SWTOR).

     

    Just remember on thing. If you enjoy it keep playing. If you feel like supporting, do so. If/when the game has a resurgance then you can be glad that you were part of that rebirth. If it dies then it can join SWG in the trashheap where it belongs, like so many other "great games" that did not make it. Just do not give in the the "haters" who proudly proclaim in every post (including the ones not about SWTOR) that swtor is the worst thing to have ever even been dreamed of.

     

    Play what you Like. I like SWOTR, Have a referral to get you going!
    -->  http://www.swtor.com/r/nBndbs  <--
    Several Unlocks and a few days game time to make the F2P considerably easier
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mrrshann618

    Dear OP,

    Do not feel bad, the game is fun for those who want to enjoy the game for what EA is currently giving, and for what they said f2p is going to be. The f2p model is currently in flux due to the company trying to make a larger gap in the differences between the 3 levels. Eventually all will be ironed out and the 3 gaps should look more along the lines of other f2p. The same group of people will jump in on any person who defends the freedom of choice to enjoy a game of SWTOR becuase "You just don't get it" (Sorry if I'm paraphrasing as I do not want to dig down the quote from one of the members in a prior reply to myself).

    SWTOR is not SWG2, the f2p model is not the same as any other game (then again very few f2p models are the same, but doesn't count for anything as the games THEY defend are the bestest), Cash shops are across the board a grab for money no matter the company behind it or the warm fuzzy feeling you get, Holiday events are the end all be all of a MMO because everyone in the WHOLE world recognizes and celebrates the same events at the same time, The UI interface is obviously a complete fail because it isn't what "I" think it should be. EA is a money grubbing company who only cares about the bottom line (but other companies REALLY care about your feelings and if you are having fun, they will put their bottom line on hold just to make sure you are having fun)

    SWTOR is the WORST game in history. EVERYONE says so, just look it up online, everyone admits it. That makes be a fanboi because I support peoples choice for playing such a horrible game I should feel bad becuase "I'm what is wrong with the MMO industry" (again paraphrasing as I'm just to lazy to track down that post as well) If I would just admit that I'm wrong and acknowledge that the game is horrible than the game can die a thousand deaths and a better SW title can finally be made becuase the next people will obviously listen the the rantings of prior SW games (like they did for SWTOR).

     

    Just remember on thing. If you enjoy it keep playing. If you feel like supporting, do so. If/when the game has a resurgance then you can be glad that you were part of that rebirth. If it dies then it can join SWG in the trashheap where it belongs, like so many other "great games" that did not make it. Just do not give in the the "haters" who proudly proclaim in every post (including the ones not about SWTOR) that swtor is the worst thing to have ever even been dreamed of.

    The strange thing about your post is that no one in this thread said the game was horrible. At most, they said it was pretty much the same as before. Which is pretty much true from a gameplay perspective.

  • JerYnkFanJerYnkFan Kenilworth, NJPosts: 339Member Uncommon
    I played the game at launch and only lasted like 45 days, went back once and didn't care for it again.  Decided to give it a try this past week since it was F2P and I am enjoying the heck out of it.  Guess I just took the game for what it is and am enjoying the story.  Don't know if I'll sub, but I'll probably just buy some cartel coins and go for the unlocks.
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