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TOR's Total World Size (Land Area) is way smaller then WoW?

Imperator101Imperator101 Toronto, ONPosts: 131Member
I have concluded that TOR is probably way smaller then WoW, while I have never played the game or have seen every single world map, I came up with a simple solution to determine which MMO has a bigger land area. TOR has 17 planets, I assume each planet is the size of 3 WoW zones, WoW has 85 zones, TOR would be the size of 54 WoW zones. This 3 zones per planet is being very generous, some maps are very small. Even if you only included Vanilla WoW, it would probably be 70-80% the size of TOR. Even though this MMO seems very large with all the planets, it truly is a very small MMO by todays standards.

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  • LetsinodLetsinod Ramsey, MNPosts: 334Member Common

    You came to this conclusion all on your own?

     

    Wow = 8 years old

    SWTOR - 1 year old

     

    Point?

  • ScarfeScarfe londonPosts: 281Member
    SWTOR is heavily instanced (I am comparing it to vanilla wow cause that is my only experience), but ignoring square footage, it feels a hell of a lot smaller. 

    currently playing: DDO, AOC, WoT, P101

  • DrakynnDrakynn The Pas, MBPosts: 2,030Member
    You may be correct but it would still take you longer to travel everywhere in SW:TOR due to ridiculous planet load times 8P
  • Imperator101Imperator101 Toronto, ONPosts: 131Member
    I am a big star wars fan but I don't think I can play this game, I enjoy large worlds in an MMO plus TOR is just a WoW clone anyway, it has the same old generic point and click targeting, automatic aiming. 

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  • Imperator101Imperator101 Toronto, ONPosts: 131Member
    Originally posted by Letsinod

    You came to this conclusion all on your own?

     

    Wow = 8 years old

    SWTOR - 1 year old

     

    Point?

    Looks like you did not read the post, I said Vanilla WoW is almost the same size, it is probably the same size anyway.

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  • CyclopsSlayerCyclopsSlayer Minneapolis, MNPosts: 532Member

    3 WoW zones is WAY over estimating for many of the worlds. One WoW zone per planet feels more like it, but the zones and planet sizes vary widely. Much of what you can see you can't travel to based on exhaustion zones and terrain. Wide open desert zones of Tatooine?  Nope, stay on the road or die.

     

    Very little actual terrain to travel on and explore.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    They were 5 years in development, promised hundreds of planets, 10 years of content. And this is what we got. Somebody was wasting a lot of time.

  • NikopolNikopol The ZonePosts: 626Member Uncommon

    I'm not sure. Some planets felt really big - I'd say as big as half of Kalimdor. On the whole I'd not be surprised if SWTOR's landmass is *way* bigger than Vanilla WOW landmass.

    EDIT: Hoth, Tatooine and Alderaan are good examples for some big planets in SWTOR.

  • WodazWodaz Saint Charles, MOPosts: 3Member
    Originally posted by Nikopol    Hoth, Tatooine and Alderaan are good examples for some big planets in SWTOR.

    Agreed, I felt Belsavis was pretty big to.

  • mikahrmikahr ZagrebPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by Nikopol

    I'm not sure. Some planets felt really big - I'd say as big as half of Kalimdor. On the whole I'd not be surprised if SWTOR's landmass is *way* bigger than Vanilla WOW landmass.

    EDIT: Hoth, Tatooine and Alderaan are good examples for some big planets in SWTOR.

    Yah, but OTOH you have starter worlds, Capital worlds, Nar Shadaa, Quesh and Ilum which are very small.

  • MukeMuke BredaPosts: 2,172Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Imperator101
    I have concluded that TOR is probably way smaller then WoW, while I have never played the game or have seen every single world map, I came up

    stopped here.....can I have those 20 secs back?

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Wodaz
    Originally posted by Nikopol    Hoth, Tatooine and Alderaan are good examples for some big planets in SWTOR.

    Agreed, I felt Belsavis was pretty big to.

    And Taris.

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  • artemisentr4artemisentr4 fresno, CAPosts: 1,431Member Uncommon

    Some of the planets are big, but a lot of un-used and wasted space. On Taris with my agent, I had to do a lot of traveling around between zones for my quest objectives. So it felt big because of the time I spent just riding my mount from place to place. But it was a big waste beacause all I did was go to the objective spot for a few seconds and leave again.

     

    One of the things they wanted to do was to get rid of grind. So they did and it gave us these big planets with large wast of space areas. Completely un-used and not needed at all. When you take out the grind, you are left with a clear path and no need to wander around and explore. One big reason for the state of the game now is a lack of grind imo. And the feeling of being small.

     

    The one thing I remember from Vanilla WoW was the grind. Having to kill the same thing over and over because what I needed just wouldn't drop. Or having to travel a long way on foot to get to a flight path for the first time. And finding quest hub areas along the way. Or grinding faction rep to continue questing or one faction over another. Long quest chains that made you travel all over the place, sometimes for hours.

     

    Today's MMO's want to get you in the action without any work at all, no grind. Then at end game they want to make the game only grind. Makes the worlds seem small because you travel through them so fast from point A to point B. That is one thing that games trying to copy WoW miss IMO.

     

    WoW after 8 years is now just a loby game without the grind while questing. They have so much content that the grind is no longer needed to make the game seem bigger. It is huge with all the expansions over the years. But new games need the grind IMO to make them seem bigger and make the content last longer. SWTOR failed with this so it feels small even though it could be very big is they used all of what these planets could offer. Including many overlaping areas for open world PvP. But it never happened and here we are. The game feels small because of a lack of grind.

     

     

    “How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?”
    R.A.Salvatore

  • MyriaMyria Lowell, MAPosts: 570Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Imperator101
    while I have never played the game or have seen every single world map,

    And yet you honestly feel qualified to comment?

    Wow.

  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Imperator101
    Originally posted by Letsinod

    You came to this conclusion all on your own?

     

    Wow = 8 years old

    SWTOR - 1 year old

     

    Point?

    Looks like you did not read the post, I said Vanilla WoW is almost the same size, it is probably the same size anyway.

    And the point TOR cost 250+/- mil to make and was to be the most epic mmo of the century claimed by bioware. And ended up being far less than older games. Kind of backwards there dont you think? :)

  • artemisentr4artemisentr4 fresno, CAPosts: 1,431Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Onomas
    Originally posted by Imperator101
    Originally posted by Letsinod

    You came to this conclusion all on your own?

     

    Wow = 8 years old

    SWTOR - 1 year old

     

    Point?

    Looks like you did not read the post, I said Vanilla WoW is almost the same size, it is probably the same size anyway.

    And the point TOR cost 250+/- mil to make and was to be the most epic mmo of the century claimed by bioware. And ended up being far less than older games. Kind of backwards there dont you think? :)

    What they spent the money on did make the quests themselves better IMO than most other MMO's by far. But the lack of grind and use of the created worlds makes the game too small because everything was on fast forword. Nothing to make the player work while questing.

     

    A lack of grind = fast forword gaming = the feeling of being small.

     

    Vanilla WoW was about the same size, but felt much much bigger because of the time sinks and grinding in the game to make the leveling process take a long long time vs todays standards.

    “How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?”
    R.A.Salvatore

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,536Member Uncommon

    And we have as far as i know never seen the costs of developing WoW... Even just up to Vanilla release.

     

     

    And there is still no chance for WoW to match SWToR when it comes to story... Very rarley did i ever feel like i had to continue to get the full story in WoW.. In SWToR it is the main driving force for me.

     

    That does not make it the best MMO in history but it is the reason why i keep playing it.

     

  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member

    I believe Vanilla WoW had 40 zones or close to it and I'm not far enough into SWTOR to see the planet sizes,so I'm not going to comment on that.

    Compared to most AAA mmo's on the last few years SWTOR looks bigger to me except GW2.Games I've played that came out in last 5 yrs or so,Lotro,Tera,Tsw,Rift,Aion,War and GW2.The only one of those that seems bigger as far as the world is GW2.

    I dunno,I'm having a blast with it atm,ymmv though.

    Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

    Arya Stark

  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
         One should not use physical size as the only criteria for determining size of world..  Look at Tattoine for example.. The map is huge and I love that.. BUT.. How much actual content is there?  How fast can you consume the content of that zone/planet?  Shouldn't that be the bigger questions?  In both SWTOR and RIFT I consumed all of the zones while leveling ONE character to max level..  However, you can't say that about WoW or older games like EQ, which were huge compared to today's crap.. In my opinion.. 
  • SwaneaSwanea Vegas, NVPosts: 2,368Member Uncommon

    I don't half of you read what the OP said in his post.

     

    He said he doesn't play the game, nor has seen most of the planets.  lol.

  • HokieHokie Vancouver Wa.Posts: 1,063Member Uncommon

    Having played both WoW about 4 years on and off and SwToR still.

    SWToR is much smaller. It one of my peeves with the game.

     

    The map sizes are decent, but there is a lot of  area that is there to channel/funnel you into certain areas within those zones.

    They do tend to open up more the further into the game you get. But you are still more or less lead  (forced) thru a certain progressing path.

    There are only two open worlds (zones), and that is Tatooine and Hoth. And Tatooine is by far the more fun planet to explore.

     

    I see this MMO desgine as almost condesending by developers. I really think they assume we are too stupid (or too young) to find the next quest hub ourselves, and must be "directed" that way by small cliffs, large rocks and walls. 

     

    I'd go so far as to say full 1/3 to even 1/2 of most ToR maps are all just filler features that take up space and are designed to direct the player.

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  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    Originally posted by Rydeson
         One should not use physical size as the only criteria for determining size of world..  Look at Tattoine for example.. The map is huge and I love that.. BUT.. How much actual content is there?  How fast can you consume the content of that zone/planet?  Shouldn't that be the bigger questions?  In both SWTOR and RIFT I consumed all of the zones while leveling ONE character to max level..  However, you can't say that about WoW or older games like EQ, which were huge compared to today's crap.. In my opinion.. 

    Very true^^.

    Most of the newer games are so linear that playing 1-2 characters basically let's you see the zones and quest's.I never played much EQ,but EQ2,WOW and even GW2 seem much more in variation of levelling choices.Variation is good,usually.

    Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

    Arya Stark

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member
    Originally posted by Slappy1
    Originally posted by Rydeson
         One should not use physical size as the only criteria for determining size of world..  Look at Tattoine for example.. The map is huge and I love that.. BUT.. How much actual content is there?  How fast can you consume the content of that zone/planet?  Shouldn't that be the bigger questions?  In both SWTOR and RIFT I consumed all of the zones while leveling ONE character to max level..  However, you can't say that about WoW or older games like EQ, which were huge compared to today's crap.. In my opinion.. 

    Very true^^.

    Most of the newer games are so linear that playing 1-2 characters basically let's you see the zones and quest's.I never played much EQ,but EQ2,WOW and even GW2 seem much more in variation of levelling choices.Variation is good,usually.

    If you are story-focused like SWTOR, you normally limit the leveling choice so you get a more focused narration.

    GW2 does some interesting mechanics that are paper-thin (now that we have seen what this so called 'DE' is) and gives you options when leveling but the story / lore / char part is atrociously bad.

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  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,134Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Imperator101
    I have concluded that TOR is probably way smaller then WoW

    It is. Regardless of compared to Vanilla or not.

     

    WoW is a lot more free-roaming compared to TOR, so you ended up having access to more significant landmasses.

     

  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by Slappy1
    Originally posted by Rydeson
         One should not use physical size as the only criteria for determining size of world..  Look at Tattoine for example.. The map is huge and I love that.. BUT.. How much actual content is there?  How fast can you consume the content of that zone/planet?  Shouldn't that be the bigger questions?  In both SWTOR and RIFT I consumed all of the zones while leveling ONE character to max level..  However, you can't say that about WoW or older games like EQ, which were huge compared to today's crap.. In my opinion.. 

    Very true^^.

    Most of the newer games are so linear that playing 1-2 characters basically let's you see the zones and quest's.I never played much EQ,but EQ2,WOW and even GW2 seem much more in variation of levelling choices.Variation is good,usually.

    If you are story-focused like SWTOR, you normally limit the leveling choice so you get a more focused narration.

    GW2 does some interesting mechanics that are paper-thin (now that we have seen what this so called 'DE' is) and gives you options when leveling but the story / lore / char part is atrociously bad.

    Yep and it seems nowadays it's one or the other.Either story and linear or more variation,but dare I say...shallow.

    Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

    Arya Stark

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