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Naoki Yoshida mention FF14 AR will be B2P !!

i read on a news website and they talk about Naoki Yoshida mentioned that FF14 AR will be buy 2 play.

just want to confirm it here so i can start saving for a PS3 on boxing days. if anyone know. thanks alot :D

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  • KenzeKenze Posts: 1,214Member Uncommon

    the first Ive heard of it. got a link to your source?

    last I heard if you bought ff14 the first time round you dont have to buy then game again and youll get 3 months free time.

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  • EdeusEdeus Stamford, CTPosts: 506Member
    Where did you hear this?  I don't doubt you, it's just not consistant with what we've been hearing for the past few months.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Hmm, yeah I would like to see a source for that as well.  SE has some F2P, but no B2P games yet.  If they really did go B2P that would put this game back on my radar.
  • zevni78zevni78 grimsbyPosts: 1,133Member Uncommon

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

  • Snowdon_CloudripperSnowdon_Cloudripper Chickasha, OKPosts: 584Member
    its posts like this that make me shake my head. all the info current as of 2 weeks ago can ALL be found on my thread one stop Shop for FFXIV:ARR info on this website. Letter from producer 4 (2 weeks old) dosent mention the game B2P. The game is P2P 10$ a month legacy members 13~15$ for new membership including PS3 users. ( again all this info could be found on my post) When FFXI came out 10 years ago it was 15$ a month for both PC and PS2 I remember the game being packaged with the PS2 HDD. later the Xbox got FFXI and also cost 15$ a month on top of your Xbox online membership. One main reason FFXIV at this time is not on Xbox. unless you can produce a link to where you read this , the info about B2P is false.

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  • austriacusaustriacus limaPosts: 624Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    Japanese conduct their life and bussines in a different way that westerners do, what you call ridiculous is the way they aproach life in general and what makes them such an outstanding culture.

  • BlazeyerBlazeyer Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 476Member Uncommon

    This game is most definitly SUBSCRIPTION BASED.

     

    They offered subscription discount rates for the future 2.0 launch previously. FFXI runs sub based still. SE needs the money from subs.

     

    Maybe he mentioned you'll have to buy it to play it lol.

     

    -side note: why honestly would people perfer b2p games? I don't get it. Subs feed them money to produce more content on a regular basis. Subs actually matter when it comes to pushing teams to change games around. Subs = (or used to) no game breaking cash shops.

  • birdycephonbirdycephon Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 1,314Member
    Yeah, B2P leads to cash shop. I doubt they would drop that bombshell on us so close to release.
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by austriacus
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    Japanese conduct their life and bussines in a different way that westerners do, what you call ridiculous is the way they aproach life in general and what makes them such an outstanding culture.

    Don't use Japanese culture as a way to spin it.  Having honor isn't ridiculous.  That P2P is somehow honorable compared to other business models is not only ridiculous but arrogant and insulting.  There are also Japanese companies that have F2P games.  Are they somehow other than honorable because of that?  I stand by my criticism.

  • Br3akingDawnBr3akingDawn a City, CAPosts: 1,356Member Uncommon
    Unlike other Mmos companies, Sony doesnt need the B2P method to attract players. They have the resources to burn even if not many subscribe....

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  • NetspookNetspook OsloPosts: 1,503Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by austriacus
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    Japanese conduct their life and bussines in a different way that westerners do, what you call ridiculous is the way they aproach life in general and what makes them such an outstanding culture.

    Don't use Japanese culture as a way to spin it.  Having honor isn't ridiculous.  That P2P is somehow honorable compared to other business models is not only ridiculous but arrogant and insulting.  There are also Japanese companies that have F2P games.  Are they somehow other than honorable because of that?  I stand by my criticism.

     

    Why get so worked up over something you clearly do not understand?

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Netspook
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Don't use Japanese culture as a way to spin it.  Having honor isn't ridiculous.  That P2P is somehow honorable compared to other business models is not only ridiculous but arrogant and insulting.  There are also Japanese companies that have F2P games.  Are they somehow other than honorable because of that?  I stand by my criticism.

    Why get so worked up over something you clearly do not understand?

    What do you care?  And who are you?  I most certainly do understand.  Care to elaborate?

  • Snowdon_CloudripperSnowdon_Cloudripper Chickasha, OKPosts: 584Member

    Yoshi said he wants it to be P2P because of a few reasons. 1 being FFXIV was to be P2P (V1) and that has already been set he is saying he keeping it because the people who payed in V1 now have a discount life time with legacy status , they get the 15$ sub fee for 10$. So when you transulate Japanes it dosent mean what we think it means in english. In english we take things as litteral word. In japanese its general and expancive. To sum up point 1 yoshi is honoring his deal to keep it P2P for legacy members anything less would be insulting to them.

     

    Point 2 Yoshi states the reasons for P2P vs B2P.  The whole game is fronted by SE and SE only no outside investments all the money to make came from SEs own coffers. SO this means with P2P all the money stayes with SE and that means no outside opinions from investers . It also means that Se can produce better faster content (expansion packs , upgrades , patches , ext) Where B2P adds in outside stores for items to progress meaning that there needs to be a flow of money at all times to pay back investers . You can read the info yourself on the info thread # 12.

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  • zevni78zevni78 grimsbyPosts: 1,133Member Uncommon

    No need to argue, Yoshi and co state in their video dairies that they wish to honor the promise of a AAA FF sub based mmo that was made before FFXIV first launched, even though subs are out of fashion right now, they are more focused on un-doing everything the bad launch of 1.0 did to SE's reputation, and are being systematic. The legacy sub discount also clearly shows they intend subs to remain for years. Those are the facts, lets not argue about Japanese culture and honor.

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    oh, darkness beat me to it.

  • Snowdon_CloudripperSnowdon_Cloudripper Chickasha, OKPosts: 584Member

    Quoting Yoshi-P

    “The main reason why we haven’t decided to take the free-to-play option is that, at the game’s original launch, it didn’t live up to expectations and it let down a lot of fans. We lost the trust of fans who had followed us across our 25-year history. We want to regain that trust and to deliver on past promises.

    “One of the promises we originally stated was that we would release the game with a subscription model. Players will be able to play it 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days in the year if they paid a subscription fee. So to regain the trust of our players we must of course fulfil this promise. Right now we believe that to be more important than any kind of business decision.

    “The other thing is that – depending on what kind of game you have – its hard to say which model is better. Is free-to-play better? Are subscriptions better? It just really depends, and it’s hard to say which one is better.

    “The last thing is that our aim is to make an MMO, and a lot of companies do their development for MMOs by getting money from investors. Then the investors want their money back, so if the game doesn’t make enough money or doesn’t have enough users, then what do we do?

    “We’d have to pay our investors back, and free-to-play is an option to get that money back to investors quickly. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is a product that is independent to Square-Enix. All of the money’s coming from us, so we had more time to put it into what we wanted to do. We’re not in a rush to pay anyone back.”

     

    Facts are Facts and this is how it WILL be deal with it or dont play simple as that

    I payed 15$ a month for 8 years with FFXI and quit XIV july 2011 sub fee im ok with it

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  • dbumandbuman texarkana, TXPosts: 19Member
    Originally posted by Epic1oots
    Unlike other Mmos companies, Sony doesnt need the B2P method to attract players. They have the resources to burn even if not many subscribe....

    Its not sony, its Square Enix, SE, not SOE. Crisis avoided. You have been informed

  • zevni78zevni78 grimsbyPosts: 1,133Member Uncommon
    Thanks Darkness, I should have got all those quotes, but am very lazy.
  • snapfusionsnapfusion San, CAPosts: 954Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    I honestly dont say this with any disrespect, but you have allot to learn about people, and cultures.  You dont have to like them all (and I dont) but I do respect what people believe in.  And to some people and cultures, what they believe in is more important than anything else. 

    It has nothing to do with where someone's head is located.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    I honestly dont say this with any disrespect, but you have allot to learn about people, and cultures.  You dont have to like them all (and I dont) but I do respect what people believe in.  And to some people and cultures, what they believe in is more important than anything else. 

    It has nothing to do with where someone's head is located.

    LIke I said after this, honor and honoring your customers is great.  The idea that P2P is honorable, or as was explained honoring those who bought version 1, or going P2P is the only or best way to honor those, is ridiculous.

    The idea presented that existing customers can't be honored with B2P is also short-sighted.  B2P means those who bought the game could play it.  Those who haven't could buy and play the game.  Existing customers could be honored, but SE wants more money out of them.  This doesn't sound like it's about honor to me.  It sounds as though they want more money.  It sounds like he's using a sensitive cultural more to couch an excuse to gouge a sub.  For this sort of game I think that is a mistake.

    If this game has deep compelling systems with a well designed mix of sandbox and themepark design elements then maybe they could get away with a sub.  If this game is just a revamped content churn themepark then I think they're gouging wiht a sub.  We'll see though.

  • fenistilfenistil GliwicePosts: 3,005Member
    FFXIV is going to be pure p2p game.
  • AlberelAlberel LondonPosts: 1,121Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    I honestly dont say this with any disrespect, but you have allot to learn about people, and cultures.  You dont have to like them all (and I dont) but I do respect what people believe in.  And to some people and cultures, what they believe in is more important than anything else. 

    It has nothing to do with where someone's head is located.

    LIke I said after this, honor and honoring your customers is great.  The idea that P2P is honorable, or as was explained honoring those who bought version 1, or going P2P is the only or best way to honor those, is ridiculous.

    The idea presented that existing customers can't be honored with B2P is also short-sighted.  B2P means those who bought the game could play it.  Those who haven't could buy and play the game.  Existing customers could be honored, but SE wants more money out of them.  This doesn't sound like it's about honor to me.  It sounds as though they want more money.  It sounds like he's using a sensitive cultural more to couch an excuse to gouge a sub.  For this sort of game I think that is a mistake.

    If this game has deep compelling systems with a well designed mix of sandbox and themepark design elements then maybe they could get away with a sub.  If this game is just a revamped content churn themepark then I think they're gouging wiht a sub.  We'll see though.

    When a game is F2P or B2P it nearly always relies on a cash shop. Whenever a game switches from P2P to one of those other two models the majority of the playerbase leaves and a new playerbase joins the game. It would be dishonouring the loyal players to make that switch as many would not want to play a game with a cash shop and would simply leave; we've seen it happen with LotRO and SWTOR.

    I don't know if you've been following the development of XIV since Yoshi P took over but he has a very different way of doing things compared to most developers. He actually values the loyal fans, especially since if it weren't for them XIV would have just been canned entirely. It would be something of a betrayal of those fans to change business model at the last minute, I believe that's what he's saying.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,451Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    It's not ridiculous at all. If anything it's extremely refreshing.

    And I also read that same interview.

    What they are saying is that they believe paying a small amount of money each month should award players the entire game. Sounds good to me.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by zevni78

    They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

    If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

    I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

    It's not ridiculous at all. If anything it's extremely refreshing.

    And I also read that same interview.

    What they are saying is that they believe paying a small amount of money each month should award players the entire game. Sounds good to me.

    How is it refreshing?  You're not getting the entire game for a monthly fee.  You have to buy the game, and presumably xpacs which are essentially micro-transactions, in addition to the monthly fee.  I guess there are still a lot under the assumption that a monthly fee equals more content?  If you have to pay extra for the content then what is your monthly fee going towards?  We already know that server and account overhead are easily covered in the box price of games.

    A small recurring fee equals a lot of money over time.  At $15 per month you're paying nearly $200 per year for a game plus the box / xpac fees.

    To say that they are honoring existing customers by charging them more *is* ridiculous.  That may be a perfectly acceptable business model, but to bullshit and say that it's somehow more honorable is a lie.  It's perfectly fine to charge that way for a game, but don't couch it in the guise of goodwill.

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