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$300 Million Budget

ThillianThillian BratislavaPosts: 3,143Member Uncommon

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/35051/ZeniMax-aka-Bethesda-Gets-300M-Investment

Article from 2007. Back then, WoW was still on rise, theme-park games that later turned into financial failures (AoC, WAR, SWTOR) were still only being prepared. ESO is probably the last huge-budget themepark title.

If ESO has 300 milion budget, how much did SWTOR have with all its glamorous voice acting and adv campaign? The 500 milion budget now sounds a lot more plausible. 

REALITY CHECK

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  • QallidexzQallidexz Austin, TXPosts: 253Member
    Originally posted by Thillian

    http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/35051/ZeniMax-aka-Bethesda-Gets-300M-Investment

    Article from 2007. Back then, WoW was still on rise, theme-park games that later turned into financial failures (AoC, WAR, SWTOR) were still only being prepared. ESO is probably the last huge-budget themepark title.

    If ESO has 300 milion budget, how much did SWTOR have with all its glamorous voice acting and adv campaign? The 500 milion budget now sounds a lot more plausible. 

    I don't know, but yea, I already knew about this $300 million budget, and I know WoW's budget was only $100 million up till launch (which explains a lot).

  • BaikalBaikal Chicago, TXPosts: 1,025Member


    Originally posted by Thillian
    http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/35051/ZeniMax-aka-Bethesda-Gets-300M-Investment
    If ESO has 300 milion budget, how much did SWTOR have with all its glamorous voice acting and adv campaign? The 500 milion budget now sounds a lot more plausible. 


    LOL

    No actually it doesnt, but gotta love people who keep dumb conspiracy theories alive. More power to you.

  • Arcondo87Arcondo87 Prince Albert, SKPosts: 94Member
    Ill take 300mill, reskin WoW, and pocket the rest :) and watch my sales SKY ROCKET cuz this generation apparenly LOVE WoW style games.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Games were cheaper to make in wow time
    You didn't need a whole bunch of mo cap, hi rez textures, fancy post processing effects and expensive actors.

    Want more variety in mmos, stop demanding fps quality production values
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Also this cost involves setting up a new studio and what have you. Most of the budget is on the game, but not all of it.

    But just thinking about the amount of world in the game it will be expensive. What was the budget for oblivion and skyrim? Because TESO is 9 times the size.
  • QallidexzQallidexz Austin, TXPosts: 253Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Also this cost involves setting up a new studio and what have you. Most of the budget is on the game, but not all of it.
     

    Yea, that's true, plus they created their own graphics engine, that should've cost a pretty penny...

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Baikal

     


    Originally posted by Thillian
    http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/35051/ZeniMax-aka-Bethesda-Gets-300M-Investment

     


    If ESO has 300 milion budget, how much did SWTOR have with all its glamorous voice acting and adv campaign? The 500 milion budget now sounds a lot more plausible. 


     


    LOL

    No actually it doesnt, but gotta love people who keep dumb conspiracy theories alive. More power to you.

    Conspiracy theories?

    When someone comes from inside EA and leaks a bunch of information, and all of that information proves to be true, why wouldn't the budget?

    How else do you explain the huge HUGE drop in EA stocks? SWTOR cost a lot, and it made next to nothing on that investment.

    It's a shame. ESO might be a good game if they just got rid of the instancing.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,926Member Uncommon
    Are we to assume the $300 million is to only be invested in ESO?  Isn't Zenimax likely to develop multiple games?
  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Are we to assume the $300 million is to only be invested in ESO?  Isn't Zenimax likely to develop multiple games?

    It's their online division. You don't work on multiple MMOs side by side. Not without multiple games under your belt, or not without just being a publisher.

     

    It really is sad to see the lifeblood of DAoC diluted by publishers and investors into making themeparks.

  • LanfeaLanfea EssenPosts: 219Member Uncommon

    first of all the 300 mil $ are for the whole company and their future games, not only for TESO. just read the article. second, high budget mmorpgs do have  50+ mil $ development cost (not included are marketing or administration). third you can easily reconstruct the development cost of a mmorpg by knowing the estimated amount of employees on this project multiply them with 5000 $ (average monthly cost of an employee for a company) and again multiply it with the months the game is in development.

    for those who want real numbers simply look at the financial report of ncsoft for q3/2012.

  • ThillianThillian BratislavaPosts: 3,143Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lanfea

    first of all the 300 mil $ are for the whole company and their future games, not only for TESO. just read the article. second, high budget mmorpgs do have  50+ mil $ development cost (not included are marketing or administration). third you can easily reconstruct the development cost of a mmorpg by knowing the estimated amount of employees on this project multiply them with 5000 $ (average monthly cost of an employee for a company) and again multiply it with the months the game is in development.

    for those who want real numbers simply look at the financial report of ncsoft for q3/2012.

    Do you think they would invest 300 milion into "future games" which were to be developed six years from then? Do you think they paid in 2007 for games that were to start development in 2013? 

     

    REALITY CHECK

  • LanfeaLanfea EssenPosts: 219Member Uncommon

    i don't think it, i know it and its easy to get this knowledge. trion worlds (rift, eon, defiance) f.e. was founded 2006 with a investment capital of 100 million € given by f.e. time warner investments group, comcast ventures and bertelsman digital media investments. and the concepts for all their 3 mmogs were on the table back in 2006. just google it :-)

     

    and as a little addition to the topic just read: 50 Million Budget for Rift

     

    and to spread a rumour i heard last week: it seams that funcom is about to get sold. maybe zenimax will by it?

  • ThillianThillian BratislavaPosts: 3,143Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lanfea

    i don't think it, i know it and its easy to get this knowledge. trion worlds (rift, eon, defiance) f.e. was founded 2006 with a investment capital of 100 million € given by f.e. time warner investments group, comcast ventures and bertelsman digital media investments. and the concepts for all their 3 mmogs were on the table back in 2006. just google it :-)

     

    and as a little addition to the topic just read: 50 Million Budget for Rift

    I have a different opinion then, I don't think they leave milions of dollars to sit on account for 6 years before using them to finance the so-called "future games". I'm certain they used those 300 millions to set up the online division, get licenses, and pay the staff and maintenance for 6 years until 2013, with some reserve, plus marketing and distribution and other costs associated with ESO exclusively. 

    REALITY CHECK

  • Arcondo87Arcondo87 Prince Albert, SKPosts: 94Member
    Originally posted by Qallidexz
    Originally posted by Arcondo87
    Ill take 300mill, reskin WoW, and pocket the rest :) and watch my sales SKY ROCKET cuz this generation apparenly LOVE WoW style games.

    If you knew anything about the game, you'd know it was nothing like WoW, but troll on troll, troll on.

    wasnt talking about ESO, was saying in general. Larn to read no, where in my topic did i state the game, go troll sumone elses post.

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Are we to assume the $300 million is to only be invested in ESO?  Isn't Zenimax likely to develop multiple games?

    ZeniMax (aka Bethesda) announced today that it has recieved a $300 million USD investment from Providence Equity Partners Inc for convertible preferred ZeniMax stock. This cash will be used to fund its newly formed online division (headed up by former Mythic Exec Producer Matt Firor)              

     

     plus develop and publish future games as well.

     

     

    OP just spreading rumors.

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,923Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arcondo87
    Ill take 300mill, reskin WoW, and pocket the rest :) and watch my sales SKY ROCKET cuz this generation apparenly LOVE WoW style games.

    Or take 100Mill, reskin EQ1 and update it, and pocket the rest.  Oh wait that was what WoW basically did my bad. :) 

     

    Seriously though, lets all stop this whole pretending wow was actually original and realize that the formula existed long before and claiming its a clone is just like saying every game is a carbon copy of DnD Paper Edition.

  • BaikalBaikal Chicago, TXPosts: 1,025Member


    Originally posted by DavisFlight

    Originally posted by Baikal  

    Originally posted by Thillian http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/35051/ZeniMax-aka-Bethesda-Gets-300M-Investment   If ESO has 300 milion budget, how much did SWTOR have with all its glamorous voice acting and adv campaign? The 500 milion budget now sounds a lot more plausible. 
      LOL No actually it doesnt, but gotta love people who keep dumb conspiracy theories alive. More power to you.
    Conspiracy theories?

    When someone comes from inside EA and leaks a bunch of information, and all of that information proves to be true, why wouldn't the budget?

    How else do you explain the huge HUGE drop in EA stocks? SWTOR cost a lot, and it made next to nothing on that investment.

    It's a shame. ESO might be a good game if they just got rid of the instancing.


    So you expect your local mailman to have inside information on foreign policy? I mean, he's an employee of the federal government, right? That's about the stretch suggesting the outlandish suggestion for TOR.

    EA stock tanked not because someone leaked info (accurate or not), but because they invested money into the game, and it did not meet expectations, no matter what the budget really was. If it was 150 million or 300 million it still did not meet expectations. It's tanking wasnt because of that dollar figure. Far more credible people gave budget info after the fact, and even at the numbers EA gave it still wasnt profitable. Doesnt matter which number is right.

    I like the strawman argument though, stock goes down, that proves the "inside information was true." Ignore the fact that it wasnt profitable at any level, regardless what the budget was.

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thillian
    Originally posted by Lanfea

    first of all the 300 mil $ are for the whole company and their future games, not only for TESO. just read the article. second, high budget mmorpgs do have  50+ mil $ development cost (not included are marketing or administration). third you can easily reconstruct the development cost of a mmorpg by knowing the estimated amount of employees on this project multiply them with 5000 $ (average monthly cost of an employee for a company) and again multiply it with the months the game is in development.

    for those who want real numbers simply look at the financial report of ncsoft for q3/2012.

    Do you think they would invest 300 milion into "future games" which were to be developed six years from then? Do you think they paid in 2007 for games that were to start development in 2013? 

     

    they werent/arent investing in a game.  they are investing in a a brand new compnay.  Zenimax Online Studios.  which needed a stuido,  employees,  equipment, ......among other things. 

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • ThillianThillian BratislavaPosts: 3,143Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Thillian
    Originally posted by Lanfea

    first of all the 300 mil $ are for the whole company and their future games, not only for TESO. just read the article. second, high budget mmorpgs do have  50+ mil $ development cost (not included are marketing or administration). third you can easily reconstruct the development cost of a mmorpg by knowing the estimated amount of employees on this project multiply them with 5000 $ (average monthly cost of an employee for a company) and again multiply it with the months the game is in development.

    for those who want real numbers simply look at the financial report of ncsoft for q3/2012.

    Do you think they would invest 300 milion into "future games" which were to be developed six years from then? Do you think they paid in 2007 for games that were to start development in 2013? 

     

    they werent/arent investing in a game.  they are investing in a a brand new compnay.  Zenimax Online Studios.  which needed a stuido,  employees,  equipment, ......among other things. 

    Which qualifies to be included in ESO budget.

    REALITY CHECK

  • LanfeaLanfea EssenPosts: 219Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thillian

    I have a different opinion then, I don't think they leave milions of dollars to sit on account for 6 years before using them to finance the so-called "future games". I'm certain they used those 300 millions to set up the online division, get licenses, and pay the staff and maintenance for 6 years until 2013, with some reserve, plus marketing and distribution and other costs associated with ESO exclusively. 


    i really appreciate your opinion and thoughts, but if you don't belive me just talk with someone from you bank about how investment groups and funds are working. its not uncommon that they do longterm investments. keep in mind that such groups invest in a lot of diffrent companies. and if you look here you can see the amount of money these investment groups are operating with. bertelsmann digital media does have consolidated revenues of 22 billion (!) us dollar. providence equity partners inc, the groups which gives zenimax 300 million $, does have revenues of 21 billion $. so these 300 millions are, well, more or less peanuts to them.

  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member
    Sounds familiar. Lol.

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,073Member Uncommon

    In case no one has stated the obvious, a lot of that money likely went to game publishing and marketing, other game development, as well as ESO.  I'd bet only half was really put towards ESO, at the most.

  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,073Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thillian
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Thillian
    Originally posted by Lanfea

    first of all the 300 mil $ are for the whole company and their future games, not only for TESO. just read the article. second, high budget mmorpgs do have  50+ mil $ development cost (not included are marketing or administration). third you can easily reconstruct the development cost of a mmorpg by knowing the estimated amount of employees on this project multiply them with 5000 $ (average monthly cost of an employee for a company) and again multiply it with the months the game is in development.

    for those who want real numbers simply look at the financial report of ncsoft for q3/2012.

    Do you think they would invest 300 milion into "future games" which were to be developed six years from then? Do you think they paid in 2007 for games that were to start development in 2013? 

     

    they werent/arent investing in a game.  they are investing in a a brand new compnay.  Zenimax Online Studios.  which needed a stuido,  employees,  equipment, ......among other things. 

    Which qualifies to be included in ESO budget.

    Only if ESO were the only game that studio would make.   Otherwise you divide that across titles.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Two more things spring to mind.

    Theyve probably done some preliminary work on the fallout mmo before the court case.

    Is it an entirely new engine? I would have thought it would be a heavily modified version of the skyrim engine (itself based on game bryo, which many of the devs will be familiar with from daoc) or even one of iDs engines as they are part of the same group, or dishonoureds engine for sane reason.
  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Privacy Preferred, NCPosts: 1,059Member

    $300 million for SWTOR...

     

    $300 Million for  TESO....

     

    Halo 4 estimate 100 million development with marketing costs included (50 Million / 50 million estimated per previous games.) Net return on day one of release was $220 million in confirmed sales.  Franchise returns so far, happily chugging along toward 4 billion.

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