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Is MEO Turbine's next project?

BruceYeeBruceYee Los Angeles, CAPosts: 427Member Uncommon

While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

The recent hiring of multiple devs http://www.gamespot.com/news/turbine-hires-elder-scrolls-designer-ken-rolston-6398568

makes me think that they are gearing up for a new MMO project, and if so then what is it? MEO? AC3? Harry Potter MMO?

There is no doubt that MEO had the community support back in the day that any developer would love to have today. I do not see the creation of MEO conflicting with LOTRO at all, seeing as one is themepark, and the other is sandbox both set in different ages. When you play one you "might" get the urge to play the other to experience a different time in Middle-Earth.

I also believe there is a shift in focus going on behind the scenes with many game companies, and they are all looking to make either the first successful "Sandpark" or just cash in on the fact that there are many players fiending for a good AAA (ground based) sandbox MMO. I think Smed might've spilled the beans on it here http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/23/sony-online-everquest-next-design/

And last but definetly not least, I started to wonder about Blizzard's next project Titan and how they said that it would still "be growing strong" in 10, 15, 20 years as stated below and how it plays into everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28Blizzard_Entertainment_project%29

We all know as proven with EVE that sandbox games retain their playerbase quite well and that their numbers actually grow over time, which has me thinking that Turbine's next project will be a sandbox style game.

For all the reasons stated above I believe MEO: Days of the King <my little addition to it all :) would be a winner if developed properly, seeing as it has one of the world's most popular IP's and an evergrowing & devoted fanbase.

What do you guys/girls think?

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon

    Turbine has the rights to create game content up to and including The Similarion. They're pretty set for content for LOTRO. Also, Turbine is a company that DOES learn from history, especially their own. Any attempt at a sequel to an existing IP would probably be met with severe skepticism if not complete rage by brand (not necessarily game) loyal fans.

     

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by BruceYee
    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.The recent hiring of multiple devs http://www.gamespot.com/news/turbine-hires-elder-scrolls-designer-ken-rolston-6398568makes me think that they are gearing up for a new MMO project, and if so then what is it? MEO? AC3? Harry Potter MMO?There is no doubt that MEO had the community support back in the day that any developer would love to have today. I do not see the creation of MEO conflicting with LOTRO at all, seeing as one is themepark, and the other is sandbox both set in different ages. When you play one you "might" get the urge to play the other to experience a different time in Middle-Earth.I also believe there is a shift in focus going on behind the scenes with many game companies, and they are all looking to make either the first successful "Sandpark" or just cash in on the fact that there are many players fiending for a good AAA (ground based) sandbox MMO. I think Smed might've spilled the beans on it here http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/23/sony-online-everquest-next-design/And last but definetly not least, I started to wonder about Blizzard's next project Titan and how they said that it would still "be growing strong" in 10, 15, 20 years as stated below and how it plays into everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28Blizzard_Entertainment_project%29We all know as proven with EVE that sandbox games retain their playerbase quite well and that their numbers actually grow over time, which has me thinking that Turbine's next project will be a sandbox style game.For all the reasons stated above I believe MEO: Days of the King <my little addition to it all :) would be a winner if developed properly, seeing as it has one of the world's most popular IP's and an evergrowing & devoted fanbase.What do you guys/girls think?

    Sorry to sound like a nub, But whats MEO?

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  • VahidVahid Grovetown, GAPosts: 45Member Uncommon
    MEO=Middle Earth Online.  Before LOTRO there apparently was another effort to make a more sandboxy version of LOTRO set in the 4th age (after the books). 
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,926Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BruceYee

    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

    Um no.

     

    The next expansion is the half of Rohan people actually care about.  Helms Deep and Edoras.

     

    The expansion after that will probably be half of gondor.  With another "expansion" coming out a year later with teh white city and osgiliath.

     

    It's not like they couldn't continue after mordor.  Sure it would be anticlimactic but there are entire regions of middle earth they could go to.

     

    I think the game will be aborted before ever reaching Mordor.  I also don't see them getting a renewed license passed 2017, they totally dropped the ball with the most love Fantasy IP in the world besides maybe Harry Potter.

  • VelocinoxVelocinox Old Folks Home, CAPosts: 811Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Turbine has the rights to create game content up to and including The Similarion.

     

    The Spillamillion? The Spamcotillion? The Spermpavillion? The Sillycivilian? The Simvaudevillian? The Stillvermillion? The Sadbrazilian? The Sealpillion?

    ...

    ...I'm out.

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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,926Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Turbine has the rights to create game content up to and including The Similarion.

    No they don't. The Silmarillion was published after Tolkien sold the rights to Hobbit/LOTR to Saul Zaentz.  Christopher Tolkien and the Tolkien Estate have the rights secured to the Silmarillion, Lost Tales, ...  They have no desire to sell them to let people make games based on them.  Christopher Tolkien is teh one that disowned a son and removed him from the board of the Tolkien Estate after his son publicly supported the LOTR movies.

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member

    Having two MMOs with the same Ip would conflict far too much for them to do it, I think. 

     

    Turbine made the deliberate choice to transform Middle Earth Online into a WoW clone. Why would they go back on that? 

    LotRO isn't performing very well, Turbine would be more likely to just abandon Middle Earth than giving it another go. The investors would give it to another company before giving Turbine a second chance to cock it up. 

  • revy66revy66 NY, NYPosts: 464Member
    Sorry man, I think that's just wishful thinking on your part. 2 MMOs under the same IP would create overlap in the playerbase without a doubt. I don't think they would take such a risk especially since Lotro is already successful and not old by any means. Now IF they decide to make Lotro 2 years down the road and make it sandbox that would be another possibility, which I don't find it likely either unless the lotro population dies out.
  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by BruceYee
    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

     

    The recent hiring of multiple devs http://www.gamespot.com/news/turbine-hires-elder-scrolls-designer-ken-rolston-6398568

    makes me think that they are gearing up for a new MMO project, and if so then what is it? MEO? AC3? Harry Potter MMO?

    There is no doubt that MEO had the community support back in the day that any developer would love to have today. I do not see the creation of MEO conflicting with LOTRO at all, seeing as one is themepark, and the other is sandbox both set in different ages. When you play one you "might" get the urge to play the other to experience a different time in Middle-Earth.

    I also believe there is a shift in focus going on behind the scenes with many game companies, and they are all looking to make either the first successful "Sandpark" or just cash in on the fact that there are many players fiending for a good AAA (ground based) sandbox MMO. I think Smed might've spilled the beans on it here http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/23/sony-online-everquest-next-design/

    And last but definetly not least, I started to wonder about Blizzard's next project Titan and how they said that it would still "be growing strong" in 10, 15, 20 years as stated below and how it plays into everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28Blizzard_Entertainment_project%29

    We all know as proven with EVE that sandbox games retain their playerbase quite well and that their numbers actually grow over time, which has me thinking that Turbine's next project will be a sandbox style game.

    For all the reasons stated above I believe MEO: Days of the King

    What do you guys/girls think?


     

    Sorry to sound like a nub, But whats MEO?

    It's what LotRO was called throughout most of its development because it was NGE'd and turned from a sandbox to a WoW clone. They're the same game, but totally different style, like pre NGE SWG and recent SWG. 

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,657Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Turbine has the rights to create game content up to and including The Similarion.

    No they don't. The Silmarillion was published after Tolkien sold the rights to Hobbit/LOTR to Saul Zaentz.  Christopher Tolkien and the Tolkien Estate have the rights secured to the Silmarillion, Lost Tales, ...  They have no desire to sell them to let people make games based on them.  Christopher Tolkien is teh one that disowned a son and removed him from the board of the Tolkien Estate after his son publicly supported the LOTR movies.

     My info was from a conversation about WBIE and ownership of the various IPs about a year or two ago, so I evidently misunderstood which content Turbine had access to. Thanks for the correction on the information and spelling. :)

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  • dreamsofwardreamsofwar bangorPosts: 468Member
    LOTRO has always been more than simply "Follow the fellowship from West to East!". Its been about whats going on in the background, events in Middle Earth that take place during the War of the Ring and possible after. The War in the North is a good example of this. Also, there are countless zones that haven't been added yet that could be added. Harad could be a destination, possible quests involving hindering their movement towards Mordor perhaps. Then there is the end of the war and the beginning of the Fourth Age. The orcs may be leaderless but they certainly aren't gone are they?
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Los Angeles, CAPosts: 427Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Originally posted by BruceYee

    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

    Um no.

     

    The next expansion is the half of Rohan people actually care about.  Helms Deep and Edoras. Thank you - did not know that.

     

    The expansion after that will probably be half of gondor.  With another "expansion" coming out a year later with teh white city and osgiliath.

     

    It's not like they couldn't continue after mordor.  Sure it would be anticlimactic but there are entire regions of middle earth they could go to.

     

    I think the game will be aborted before ever reaching Mordor.  I also don't see them getting a renewed license passed 2017, they totally dropped the ball with the most love Fantasy IP in the world besides maybe Harry Potter.

     

  • starwarsnutstarwarsnut oceanside, CAPosts: 189Member

    i would prefer another company to have a crack at lotr. Turbine has relied to much on the name. FFS it took them 5 years to get to rohan? most people i know that still play lotro say the mounted combat isnt amazing or real awesome. This was there big selling point for rohan was mounted combat meh.

    5 years in and there still on the same pvp map to all they did was move things around and claim its a new moors/revamp well they promised a new pvp map 2 times when selling an xpac then shelf the map. 5 years on the same pvp map and thier still 5 years in unable to balance pvp. Instead they cater the OP fotm crowd 5 years in lol.

    I would love to see another lotr mmo by another company turdbine has turned lotr in lord of the turbine store sadly.

    I hope if there is another lotr mmo its with another company turbine does not listen and they do not learn from thier mistakes see asherons call and lotr itself lol.

     

  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member

    You might have to deal with the scourge of the shire after mordor.

    I always thought, that since they can't re-write it so your character drops the ring - the final expansion may involve you needing to reach the undying lands - and that could be a pretty epic 'conclusion' .

  • xalvixalvi brooklyn, NYPosts: 329Member
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Also, Turbine is a company that DOES learn from history, especially their own. 

     

    That statement is wrong on so many levels. I'm not even going to argue with that, but rather just point how that is untrue.

  • slowpoke68slowpoke68 Chicago, ILPosts: 413Member Uncommon

    As stated earlier they can do another Rohan and a couple in Gondor, that is another 3 years right?  Eight years is a pretty good run when you are talking about a finite story.

    What I wonder about is could they do a flashback type expansion, dealing with The Lonely Mountain and Smaug...what a great tie in for The Hobbit movies.  I bet a lot people would tolerate a detour from the LOTRO story to see that content.  Release to conicide with the second or third part of the movie.  Could draw in a ton of new people.

    Back on topic, I just hope they do Helm's deep right.  It would be cool to be part of a huge huge battle.  Think giant ultra super mega sized Warhammer style PQ maybe?   If they could pull it off, it would work well with the siege of Gondor as well.

    All and all I think Turbine has done a very good job with LOTRO.

  • OrderoOrdero OrebroPosts: 86Member
    Originally posted by Zorgo

    You might have to deal with the scourge of the shire after mordor.

    I always thought, that since they can't re-write it so your character drops the ring - the final expansion may involve you needing to reach the undying lands - and that could be a pretty epic 'conclusion' .

    Or opening up the Grey Havens and allow our characters to sail "Into the West" one final time and then it's over, would be a nice way to conclude the game :)

  • The_KorriganThe_Korrigan EastPosts: 2,630Member
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Also, Turbine is a company that DOES learn from history, especially their own.

    Permit me to express utter skepticism about this. Turbine is a company now only focused on making money, the welfare of their customers doesn't matter anymore. They learned nothing from e.g. AC2's demise, and they are repeating history.

    If you wonder why I don't answer your posts, it's most likely because you are on my block list - so don't waste your time.

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  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Also, Turbine is a company that DOES learn from history, especially their own.

    Permit me to express utter skepticism about this. Turbine is a company now only focused on making money, the welfare of their customers doesn't matter anymore. They learned nothing from e.g. AC2's demise, and they are repeating history.

    It's funny, because by stomping on their customers by giving the ol NGE to Middle Earth Online, and then making one of the worst FTP systems out there... they're making LESS money.

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,051Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Originally posted by BruceYee

    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

     

    I think the game will be aborted before ever reaching Mordor.  I also don't see them getting a renewed license passed 2017, they totally dropped the ball with the most love Fantasy IP in the world besides maybe Harry Potter.

    They didnt drop the ball. Its very good rendition of middle earth. In fact probably best LOTR game for computers/consoles.

    But its running out of steam (subscribers). I seriously can not see them ever reaching Mordor.

    Its just to ambitios for allready old game everyone have grown bored of.

     

    If anything they hired Kenny Rolston , because he was available. So they snatched him for cheap.

     

    I just hope they at least plan new IP. A sandbox one...

    Because Turbine is probably the best MMO dev in the long run.

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  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Posts: 1,178Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BruceYee

    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

    The recent hiring of multiple devs http://www.gamespot.com/news/turbine-hires-elder-scrolls-designer-ken-rolston-6398568

    makes me think that they are gearing up for a new MMO project, and if so then what is it? MEO? AC3? Harry Potter MMO?

    There is no doubt that MEO had the community support back in the day that any developer would love to have today. I do not see the creation of MEO conflicting with LOTRO at all, seeing as one is themepark, and the other is sandbox both set in different ages. When you play one you "might" get the urge to play the other to experience a different time in Middle-Earth.

    I also believe there is a shift in focus going on behind the scenes with many game companies, and they are all looking to make either the first successful "Sandpark" or just cash in on the fact that there are many players fiending for a good AAA (ground based) sandbox MMO. I think Smed might've spilled the beans on it here http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/23/sony-online-everquest-next-design/

    And last but definetly not least, I started to wonder about Blizzard's next project Titan and how they said that it would still "be growing strong" in 10, 15, 20 years as stated below and how it plays into everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28Blizzard_Entertainment_project%29

    We all know as proven with EVE that sandbox games retain their playerbase quite well and that their numbers actually grow over time, which has me thinking that Turbine's next project will be a sandbox style game.

    For all the reasons stated above I believe MEO: Days of the King What do you guys/girls think?

     

     If its AC3 and its sandbox like the first one i will pre order right now.

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Lobotomist
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Originally posted by BruceYee

    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

     

    I think the game will be aborted before ever reaching Mordor.  I also don't see them getting a renewed license passed 2017, they totally dropped the ball with the most love Fantasy IP in the world besides maybe Harry Potter.

    They didnt drop the ball. Its very good rendition of middle earth. In fact probably best LOTR game for computers/consoles.

    But its running out of steam (subscribers). I seriously can not see them ever reaching Mordor.

    Its just to ambitios for allready old game everyone have grown bored of.

    They dropped the ball in a huge way. A good rendition of Middle Earth wouldn't force you through linear zones with invisible walls and artificial hills, or instance every cave, nor would it insta kill you for trying to explore. LotRO was dated the day they released it because they based it entirely on WoW, which was already outdated at the time of LotRO's release. Linear quest grinding was just about the worst system they could have used in LotRO. There was a reason LotRO never got big.

  • PapadamPapadam Tampa bay, FLPosts: 2,102Member
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by Lobotomist
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Originally posted by BruceYee

    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

     

    I think the game will be aborted before ever reaching Mordor.  I also don't see them getting a renewed license passed 2017, they totally dropped the ball with the most love Fantasy IP in the world besides maybe Harry Potter.

    They didnt drop the ball. Its very good rendition of middle earth. In fact probably best LOTR game for computers/consoles.

    But its running out of steam (subscribers). I seriously can not see them ever reaching Mordor.

    Its just to ambitios for allready old game everyone have grown bored of.

    They dropped the ball in a huge way. A good rendition of Middle Earth wouldn't force you through linear zones with invisible walls and artificial hills, or instance every cave, nor would it insta kill you for trying to explore. LotRO was dated the day they released it because they based it entirely on WoW, which was already outdated at the time of LotRO's release. Linear quest grinding was just about the worst system they could have used in LotRO. There was a reason LotRO never got big.

    Your opinion =/= fact..

    LotrO is relativly big. 

    I can give you lots of reason why it didnt become bigger but maybe that is for another thread.

    If WoW = The Beatles
    and WAR = Led Zeppelin
    Then LotrO = Pink Floyd

  • RyukanRyukan Mason, MIPosts: 706Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mnwild1998
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by Lobotomist
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Originally posted by BruceYee

    While I was playing LOTRO the other day I realized that we are probably around two expansions away from our stories in this game coming to an end. I see two more expansions, probably 'Path to Gondor' and "Fires of Mordor" or something like that but after that we will all technically "finish the game" and $$$ going to Turbine, WB and The Saul Zentz company will go down considerably.

     

    I think the game will be aborted before ever reaching Mordor.  I also don't see them getting a renewed license passed 2017, they totally dropped the ball with the most love Fantasy IP in the world besides maybe Harry Potter.

    They didnt drop the ball. Its very good rendition of middle earth. In fact probably best LOTR game for computers/consoles.

    But its running out of steam (subscribers). I seriously can not see them ever reaching Mordor.

    Its just to ambitios for allready old game everyone have grown bored of.

    They dropped the ball in a huge way. A good rendition of Middle Earth wouldn't force you through linear zones with invisible walls and artificial hills, or instance every cave, nor would it insta kill you for trying to explore. LotRO was dated the day they released it because they based it entirely on WoW, which was already outdated at the time of LotRO's release. Linear quest grinding was just about the worst system they could have used in LotRO. There was a reason LotRO never got big.

     

    Well just a few things here. Its clear you have never played , invisible walls? Nope not true. Artificial hills? The only hills you can see that you cant get to are the hills from parts of middle earth you cant explore yet. But from your thought process they should have released the entire middle earth and allowed you to ring the door bell in mordor on day one. As for the instant kill that happens in Angmar read up on your lore there buddy you will learn the reason behind it.

     Gotta agree with you guys, I think LotRO is being handled correctly. The whole thing is story driven, so the gameplay must follow the story and mostly lead the player along the story. You are given some freedom of what to do and where to go within the confines of the story and your level and I feel this is how it should be. I played LotRO from the start up until the Isengard expansion and by this point I was getting bored with LotRO. The Isengard expansion was not all that great from my perspective, more of the same to be sure which can be a good thing but it felt lackluster to me. The Rohan beta didn't really impress me a whole lot; the mounted combat was decent but felt pretty stiff and laggy in a sense. I'm not interested in plopping down $40 for the expansion, feels too expensive...that's almost as much as I paid for the full game when it first came out.

    I would rather Turbine either A) make another Asheron's Call game more in spirit of the first game than AC2 or barring that B) do something with a new IP. I don't think we need another Lord of the Rings/Middle Earth MMO at this point in time.

  • dreamsofwardreamsofwar bangorPosts: 468Member
    I can't see a company releasing two MMO's with the same IP, what would be the point? It would like them admitting that the game isn't as great as it should have been. There are rumours Turbine are working on a Harry Potter MMO due to Warner Bros buying Turbine. I hope it is a fresh IP though.
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