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Too many MMOs with holiday events?

TheAncientTheAncient KirkcaldyPosts: 67Member

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

 

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  • SephrosSephros Somewhere, CAPosts: 396Member Uncommon
    Nobody says you have to participate. This is the problem i have with atheists. You can just have a party without making it into a bigger deal than that. You look to deep into stuff. Its tradition. Just because you dont believe doesnt mean you cant participate in tradition. If it bugs you that bad log off. The "world" will always have beliefs and traditions. Just because you choose not to believe or participate doesnt mean the.rest of the world has to accomodate or bend to your will.

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  • TheAncientTheAncient KirkcaldyPosts: 67Member

    You're missing the point - these events are shoehorned into the fantasy of MMORPGs they stick out like a sore thumb and don't sit easily with lore etc. Let's see something new and different. :)

     

  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,830Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sephros
    Nobody says you have to participate.

    This is my thought as well. That's why I rarely participate. I am an over obssessive completionist and these events cause serious ADHD issues with me...so I avoid them.

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 791Member
    Here we go. Why does it matter if its tied into the lore?  You invalidated your whole post with the "Im a atheist and its disrepsectful to me" thing. 

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  • SephrosSephros Somewhere, CAPosts: 396Member Uncommon
    Me too. I can never get everything done, so forget it. Lol. Although i do enjoy the different atmosphere than normal.

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  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Posts: 1,538Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TheAncient

    There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

    I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

    Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

     

    Oh for crying out loud.

    I'm an Atheist as well, and I find it just fine. I actually enjoy the events for what they are. Thousands of people play these games, covering a wide swath of beliefs, and celebrate (or not) a wide variety of holidays. Do you see all these people complaining about it "being intrusive" on them because their personal beliefs aren't being "respected"?

    No. You don't.

    Why? Because it isn't. It's a game, it's a light-hearted, festive celebration that comes with special events, prizes and activities. No one is coming into your house forcing you to engage in the activities, and your personal rights aren't being infringed on. Give it a rest and stop looking for things to be offended by. The MMO world doesn't revolve around what you, or any other individual chooses to or not to believe.

    If it's so offensive to you that you can't enjoy everything else your game of choice offers, then just avoid those areas while the events are going on.

    What, are we supposed to start letting "political correctness" seep into the freaking fantasy worlds of games now, too?

    Also, MMOs have had holiday events for years now. It's not something new.

     

  • TheAncientTheAncient KirkcaldyPosts: 67Member
    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by TheAncient

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    Oh for crying out loud.

    I'm an Atheist as well, and I find it just fine. I actually enjoy the events for what they are. Thousands of people play these games, covering a wide swath of beliefs, and celebrate (or not) a wide variety of holidays. Do you see all these people complaining about it "being intrusive" on them because their personal beliefs aren't being "respected"?

    No. You don't.

    Why? Because it isn't. It's a game, it's a light-hearted, festive celebration that comes with special events, prizes and activities. No one is coming into your house forcing you to engage in the activities, and your personal rights aren't being infringed on. Give it a rest and stop looking for things to be offended by. The MMO world doesn't revolve around what you, or any other individual chooses to or not to believe.

    If it's so offensive to you that you can't enjoy everything else your game of choice offers, then just avoid those areas while the events are going on.

    What, are we supposed to start letting "political correctness" seep into the freaking fantasy worlds of games now, too?

    Also, MMOs have had holiday events for years now. It's not something new.

     

    Umm, you missed the point.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon
    would 'because everyone except you enjoys it' be closer to the point?

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  • NeokiNaomiNeokiNaomi Anchorage, AKPosts: 326Member Uncommon

    Because you are an atheist and you walk down the side of your city street and see a giant catholic church, does that mean you're going to start lobbying stating that, "I'm not catholic, this intrudes my atmosphere here in the city."?

    Get over it, and just avoid it.

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  • maplestonemaplestone Ottawa, ONPosts: 3,099Member
    Originally posted by TheAncient

    Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

    Assuming you are not posting just to bait the "war on Christmas" types, you are missing a key historical fact: new cultures assimilate and rebrand the holidays and celebrations of old cultures.  Christmas itself is an example of this - Christianity usurped the dates and symbols of the previous solstice celebrations.  This is what is happening in MMOs: they are taking the dates and symbols and reinventing them into their new fantasy cultures.

    If you want to complain, simply complain that they aren't diverging far enough away from the real-world celebrations - but there's no point in making up completely arbitrary new dates (except the launch date - which I'm surprised many games don't make a big in-game celebration about, beyond a gift box).

  • WolfenprideWolfenpride San''doria, WIPosts: 3,988Member
    Originally posted by TheAncient

    Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

     

    I'm not sure if i'm recalling right, but I believe FFXI had lore-tied festivals and such. Unless they corresponded with something in Asia. I agree with you that it sounds like a neat idea though.

  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member

    Hey, if it wasn't for holiday events, I wouldn't have my coveted Santa hat in Rift.

    Walking around in my underwear with that hat on is my favorite thing to do in-game.

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  • Vlhad77Vlhad77 Mountain Home, ARPosts: 139Member Uncommon
    what is sooo wrong with the holiday events in MMOs, i find them enjoyable in all the MMOs i play.  I look at it like this, if you dont like them, then dont do them.  Simple as that.  
  • tank017tank017 Glendale, CAPosts: 2,192Member

    I usually dont care about them either way

     

    I play around them if they dont spark my interests.

  • Goll25Goll25 bath, PAPosts: 187Member

    No matter the religion it can be enjoyed, these aren't religion bound anymore it's more of traditions, and a lot of MMO's actually do tie them into lore. Like wow takes what happens in the real world around these times and rebrands it for the game, and for certain holidays fits it into lore pretty neatly. 

    I hope they never take out these events, it's chearier, new and exciting to see the decorations even if they are just pixels on my screen. Besides the holidays are totally optional!

  • aphydorkaphydork Boring, ORPosts: 133Member

    If you wanted the conversation to be about holidays ruining immersion, you probably should have left the fact that you are a middle-aged atheist out. Because you added that tidbit, many would infer that it ruins your immersion, in part, because you don't believe in such holidays.

    Some games do have their own holidays. FFXI did. It certainly brings something new to the table, but for many, it's not the same as celebrating Hallow's Eve on Halloween or Winter Solstice around Christmastime.

    It's not all about the players. Developers get a kick out of releasing holiday content as well. It's the development team celebrating with the players on festive holidays that most enjoy. You don't have to be a Christian to like Christmas. Just take the holiday at face value. It's a time when giving is emphasized, and people come together.

    Now for the sad part. I am sure that part of the reason why holiday content is released is to encourage people to log on. Otherwise, people who are able to celebrate with their family and friends are off celebrating, and the people that are left in-game are those who are not as fortunate. Perhaps they are far away from home or they had to work late into the night and missed out on the festivities. In-game events bring those people together. Otherwise, there would be no incentive for logging in, and the servers could be seen as somewhat depressing.

  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member
    I think if devs cared, they could come up with events that fit the lore really well.  Of any game, pretty much.  but much like dance emotes and the like, its not something they seem to care about.  It's odd, they go to so much trouble crafting a game world.. and then scribble all over it, like they don't take it seriously at all.

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by Letsinod
    This is why I dislike athiests so much.  Its all about them and not co-habitating.  We all have to deal with things we don't believe in or don't like.  Its called planet earth.  Why do you people always try to extingush everything else for everyone?

    Yeah, it's not like the Christians or Muslims are constantly bitching. All we hear are the news every day is those damn Athiest complaining constantly.

    Oh, wait.

    Now that we've got that out of the way, I understand what the OP means.

    It's not just athiest who get ignored, it's most others as well.

    How many mmos celebrate Ramadan? Or Kwanzaa?

    The holiday events in most mmo alienate many beliefs/cultures.

    Would it be so bad to make the holiday events "generic" in tone? Why have "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival"? Why have decorations of green and red tinsel everywhere with "Christmas trees"?

    Why have Easter egg hunts in a game world where Easter wouldn't exist?

    Why have "Halloween"? Why not a "Fall Festival" or "Solstice"?

    It's not the events that are the problem.

    The problem is lazy devs who don't want to take the time to be creative and give their worlds' inhabitants their own "holidays".

    Let's say tomorrow we discovered five different planets filled with alien races and cultures.

    Do you honestly think we'd find they all celebrate "Christmas" and "Easter" and "Thanksgiving"?

     

     

     

     

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    What bothers me is that all of the holiday events are just real-world analogues.  It would be much more interesting to see a world with it's own set of holidays and meanings and traditions.

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  • Goll25Goll25 bath, PAPosts: 187Member
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
    Originally posted by Letsinod
    This is why I dislike athiests so much.  Its all about them and not co-habitating.  We all have to deal with things we don't believe in or don't like.  Its called planet earth.  Why do you people always try to extingush everything else for everyone?

    Yeah, it's not like the Christians or Muslims are constantly bitching. All we hear are the news every day is those damn Athiest complaining constantly.

    Oh, wait.

    Now that we've got that out of the way, I understand what the OP means.

    It's not just athiest who get ignored, it's most others as well.

    How many mmos celebrate Ramadan? Or Kwanzaa?

    The holiday events in most mmo alienate many beliefs/cultures.

    Would it be so bad to make the holiday events "generic" in tone? Why have "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival"? Why have decorations of green and red tinsel everywhere with "Christmas trees"?

    Why have Easter egg hunts in a game world where Easter wouldn't exist?

    Why have "Halloween"? Why not a "Fall Festival" or "Solstice"?

    It's not the events that are the problem.

    The problem is lazy devs who don't want to take the time to be creative and give their worlds' inhabitants their own "holidays".

    Let's say tomorrow we discovered five different planets filled with alien races and cultures.

    Do you honestly think we'd find they all celebrate "Christmas" and "Easter" and "Thanksgiving"?

     

     

     

     

    A lot of games do change the names. Alse they use the commercial ideas not ideas from the religion, it is still alienating other beliefs, however even christians will argue that these themes have nothing to do with what the holidays are about. So yeah they are generic. Also halloween isn't a recognized religious holiday.

  • Vunak23Vunak23 In your house eatin'' your cookies, FLPosts: 635Member

    People get worked up over the dumbest things.... no wonder this world sucks ass. 

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  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by Goll25
    Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
    Originally posted by Letsinod
    This is why I dislike athiests so much.  Its all about them and not co-habitating.  We all have to deal with things we don't believe in or don't like.  Its called planet earth.  Why do you people always try to extingush everything else for everyone?

    Yeah, it's not like the Christians or Muslims are constantly bitching. All we hear are the news every day is those damn Athiest complaining constantly.

    Oh, wait.

    Now that we've got that out of the way, I understand what the OP means.

    It's not just athiest who get ignored, it's most others as well.

    How many mmos celebrate Ramadan? Or Kwanzaa?

    The holiday events in most mmo alienate many beliefs/cultures.

    Would it be so bad to make the holiday events "generic" in tone? Why have "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival"? Why have decorations of green and red tinsel everywhere with "Christmas trees"?

    Why have Easter egg hunts in a game world where Easter wouldn't exist?

    Why have "Halloween"? Why not a "Fall Festival" or "Solstice"?

    It's not the events that are the problem.

    The problem is lazy devs who don't want to take the time to be creative and give their worlds' inhabitants their own "holidays".

    Let's say tomorrow we discovered five different planets filled with alien races and cultures.

    Do you honestly think we'd find they all celebrate "Christmas" and "Easter" and "Thanksgiving"?

     

     

     

     

    A lot of games do change the names. Alse they use the commercial ideas not ideas from the religion, it is still alienating other beliefs, however even christians will argue that these themes have nothing to do with what the holidays are about. So yeah they are generic. Also halloween isn't a recognized religious holiday.

    You should really ask a Pagan their opinion on that. Or do you think a "holiday" is only "recognized" if your government slaps it on a calendar?

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  • madazzmadazz A town, ONPosts: 1,564Member Uncommon
    HahAHAAh at those who "hate atheists". You do realize the majority don't give two craps about holidays, and even then most actually participate out of tradition right? One guy says something and you act like he represents all atheists. Its the religious fanatics that are making everyone look bad. If you are a moderate person you shouldn't have much to say towards the OP. Those who lash back so hard are a bit dense/fanatical. Especially stating you hate atheists. I am not spiritual nor religious and I am not the least bit offended by the holidays. I love it! And saying "Happy Holidays" is stupid. Merry Christmas you bastards. 
  • BadLuckBrettBadLuckBrett Boston, MAPosts: 22Member

    I chuckle at the whole 'it breaks immersion' argument.

    This is fantasy, where almost anything can happen and be justified.

    90% of the time you're playing in a world where trolls, elves and lizardmen can throw ice shards from their hands and travel the lands on giant eagles. I'm sure one could even find a game where high-horses are available as a mount, seems right up some's alley.

    How dare those devs try to give us a little extra content!!!     /eyeroll

  • Saur0nSaur0n Denver, COPosts: 113Member Uncommon
    What's funny about atheists is they claim to KNOW that there is no higher power which makes them just as ignorant as the people they claim to be the ignorant ones.  Not once have I seen any real world religion represented in a holiday event.   Every single holiday event I've seen has been tied in to the games lore.
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