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Since 2005 till today, is there a mmorpg better than GW2?

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  • RimmersmanRimmersman Member Posts: 885
    Originally posted by bcbully
     

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by bcbully
     

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    un needed response to a direct quote. 

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo Member CommonPosts: 7,207
    Who the feck is it subjective

    Is gw2 a massively multiplayer game? - YES, infact more so than glorified lobby games like wow, swtor and tsw.

    Is gw2 a rpg? - YES, you level in it, you have stats & equipment, it tells some sort of story.

    Therefore its a MMORPG

    But please do elaborate what exactly is missing from gw2 that stops it been a mmorpg. If nothing else then for the comedy value.
  • darkhalf357xdarkhalf357x Member UncommonPosts: 1,237

    Baited question OP since 'best' is subjective and based on what you like to play.

    Why stop at 2005?  To me EQ is better than GW2 when compared as a solid MMORPG (and not just MMO).  GW2 is phenomenal and I will support it from time to time, but feel they have changed so much of the model that I cant see it ever growing into a real RPG.  Then again perhaps thats the point.  A different type of game for a new type of gamer.

    The more I see these 'evolutionary' MMOs, the more I believe the aspects which brought me to the genre simply will never return (open world, challenge, high levels, long levelling curve, no direction).  Have my eyes on ArcheAge which may be my last chance

    Until then, Ill be in Norrath ;-)

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  • OmnifishOmnifish Member Posts: 616

     Define, 'better'?

    Okay I'm going to assume you mean time spent or time enjoyed within the game and for that I can think of five off the top of my head

    1. SWTOR

    2. DDO

    3. WAR

    4. Darkfall

    5. DCUO

    There are a few more but for brevity I'll leave it there. Of ones I've spent less time with I'd probably say Rift and TSW. So I'd comfortably say those listed offered a better MMO experience for me then GW2.

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  • RimmersmanRimmersman Member Posts: 885
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
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    I just saw one empty boxes, perhaps my mind is playing tricks with me.

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  • nsignificnsignific Member Posts: 212

    Besides WoW (which nobody will disregard just because you stated 2005 and onwards), I liked Rift & SWTOR a lot better.

    I even liked Vanguard better, because it just felt so much more as a MMORPG (in the way I imagine it to be).

    GW2 was better than AOC and WAR for me, though, and a lot of other games.

  • KingGatorKingGator Member UncommonPosts: 428

    gw2 fanbois are the hezbollah of  the mmoverse :)

     

    Let me put this in perspective for you, I bought gw2, played for two weeks, went back to swtor, a game I've repeatedly described as mediocre. Gw2 was the most over hyped under delivering game of the past 5 years.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,855
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Who the feck is it subjective

    Is gw2 a massively multiplayer game? - YES, infact more so than glorified lobby games like wow, swtor and tsw.

    Is gw2 a rpg? - YES, you level in it, you have stats & equipment, it tells some sort of story.

    Therefore its a MMORPG

    But please do elaborate what exactly is missing from gw2 that stops it been a mmorpg. If nothing else then for the comedy value.

    This part is extremely subjective and questionable. There is no consistency in character progression. Leveling has little meaning. GW2 feels like it's a collection of separate games under a single title.

  • RimmersmanRimmersman Member Posts: 885
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Who the feck is it subjective

    Is gw2 a massively multiplayer game? - YES, infact more so than glorified lobby games like wow, swtor and tsw.

    Is gw2 a rpg? - YES, you level in it, you have stats & equipment, it tells some sort of story.

    Therefore its a MMORPG

    But please do elaborate what exactly is missing from gw2 that stops it been a mmorpg. If nothing else then for the comedy value.

    Compared to lotro i don't think it has much RPG going for it, i felt like i was playing a glorified COD Black OPs.

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  • halflife25halflife25 Member Posts: 737
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Who the feck is it subjective

    Is gw2 a massively multiplayer game? - YES, infact more so than glorified lobby games like wow, swtor and tsw.

    Is gw2 a rpg? - YES, you level in it, you have stats & equipment, it tells some sort of story.

    Therefore its a MMORPG

    But please do elaborate what exactly is missing from gw2 that stops it been a mmorpg. If nothing else then for the comedy value.

    Yes it is sbjective. the RPG part. 

    Also its amazing that you are calling TSW a glorified lobby game when it is as open world as GW2. I used to like your posts before you turned into a GW2 fanatic. The same people you claimed to dislike before GW2 release.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,372
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    What exactly have they tossed out that stops it being a mmorpg?

    Nearly endless avatar progression in terms of power and skill for one and perhaps one of the most defining characteristics of the genre.

    There are more.

     

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  • dzoni87dzoni87 Member Posts: 541

    This pol should have more options IMO...

    To say GW2 is 'best' since 2005 would be kinda harsh. It is very good but there are a lot of almost equally good underrated MMORPG (which are not the LotrO, which is a lil bit even overrated because of IP and all).

    Second thing... is it really general attitude of people here that SWTOR is better than GW2? I am not defending GW2 or anything, im just failing to see how is that actually possible... (dont tell me it is because of gear progression).

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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,306
    Originally posted by dzoni87

    This pol should have more options IMO...

    To say GW2 is 'best' since 2005 would be kinda harsh. It is very good but there are a lot of almost equally good underrated MMORPG (which are not the LotrO, which is a lil bit even overrated because of IP and all).

    Second thing... is it really general attitude of people here that SWTOR is better than GW2? I am not defending GW2 or anything, im just failing to see how is that actually possible... (dont tell me it is because of gear progression).

    Most people here don't understand how MoP sold 2.7 mil copies in the first week.

    Keep in mind, different people like different things.

     

    I think the Bill O'Riely meme is "You can't explain that!".....or some such.

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  • ShakyMoShakyMo Member CommonPosts: 7,207
    Kyle:

    Then in that case the following are not mmos

    Uo, coh, planetside

    And the following only just scrape in

    Daoc, darkfall, swg, ac, eve

    I think you are confusing the terms mmorpg and boring friggin everquest clone.
  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Member UncommonPosts: 2,759
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    What exactly have they tossed out that stops it being a mmorpg?

    Nearly endless avatar progression in terms of power and skill for one and perhaps one of the most defining characteristics of the genre.

    There are more.

     

    Nearly endless progression? Every MMO (with the exception of maybe 2 or 3) has an end to progression. In most cases taking no more than a few months. Wouldnt exactly call that "nearly endless" Give me a list of 10 MMOs (which is still a very tiny portion of the market) that I can play consistently for years and years and still never hit max level, all of my skills, and endgame gear then you might actually have a point.

    You seem to be confusing what in reality are "definining characteristics of the genre" with "what i want those defining characteristics to be, even though they dont currently exist and dont define it at all".

  • dzoni87dzoni87 Member Posts: 541
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern
    Originally posted by dzoni87

    This pol should have more options IMO...

    To say GW2 is 'best' since 2005 would be kinda harsh. It is very good but there are a lot of almost equally good underrated MMORPG (which are not the LotrO, which is a lil bit even overrated because of IP and all).

    Second thing... is it really general attitude of people here that SWTOR is better than GW2? I am not defending GW2 or anything, im just failing to see how is that actually possible... (dont tell me it is because of gear progression).

    Most people here don't understand how MoP sold 2.7 mil copies in the first week.

    Keep in mind, different people like different things.

     

    I think the Bill O'Riely meme is "You can't explain that!".....or some such.

    I can barely understand anything here anymore... 

    P.S. lol for Bill O'Riely

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  • goblagobla Member UncommonPosts: 1,412
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
    Originally posted by eAzydaman
    Originally posted by SuperDonk

    Rift and SWTOR are better.

     

    Edit: Add WAR to that list.

    WAR and SWTOR were massive failures trying to copycat one of the best MMO's ever created.

    Fixed this for you.

    You not liking a MMORPG doesn't make it bad. WoW is the most successful MMO of all times for now, and there are many good reasons why so many players enjoy(ed) that game. And commercially, it's definitely still the best.

    A game which maintained millions of subscribers for 8 years is definitely one of the best games ever, and that would be true even if I don't like the game.

    Sadly, the above mentionned clones completely failed where WoW succeeded.

    That's nonsense. It is like saying that McDonalds is good because so many people eat there. Commercial success does not come only from the "goodness" of a game, it comes from marketing, hype, catering to a broad number of individuals and so on and so forth.

    Beside the therm good is quite subjective. I think WoW is not a very good MMORPG as it is too linear, instanced, cross-server and what not which takes away from the persistant world feeling but a lot of other seem to disagree with me.

    Except McDonalds is a great restaurant.

    It fails utterly and completely as a five-star restaurant. It's abhorrant as a healthy restaurant. It's abismall as a romantic restaurant.

    But it is, nonetheless, a great restaurant. A great fast food restaurant to be precise. Because it does exactly what a fast food restaurant is supposed to do and it does so exceedingly well. I can't think of any other place that's better when it comes to vast quantities of cheap food in the shortest amount of time possible.

    Because that's the reason people visit fast food restaurants. They don't go there for the atmosphere. They don't go there for the great quality. They don't go there the healthy food. They go there to get a lot of food for a low price without much of a wait.

    Likewise for WoW. It's a dreadfull sandbox. It's a total dissapointment on many, many styles of MMO. But it's amazing at the reason people play it, otherwise so many would not be playing it. It's a great MMO. It's only your own specialised definition of MMO that falls short.

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  • itgrowlsitgrowls Member Posts: 2,951

    *laughs and shakes head @ MoP selling 2.7 mil in the first week* uhm skew the numbers much? that wasn't the first week that was with annual passes and pre-orders their sales on launch day were 700k well below Cata's launch day. But that's beside the point I'm about to make.

    GW2 is the best game they've come out with in a long long time. the poeple who dislike are usually those who are the zombie subscription crowd, the crowd who actually still plays SWTOR even tho they themselves called it mediocre (what does that say about them), and the people who generally dislike a store of any kind on their game (even tho most of them play WoW which has a store go figure). This of course is leaving out the large number of people on this site who sit around jumping on the "i hate GW2 because people like it" train.

    No one can deny that GW2 has had the best launch of any mmo, has the best solutions for every major pve issue any pve player has ever experienced in every game, and delivered on what they promised would be in game on launch day. Hands down other companies haven't been able to do these three simple things on their launches even with millions of dollars backing them. Even those that are 7+ years old. :)

  • goblagobla Member UncommonPosts: 1,412
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    *laughs and shakes head @ MoP selling 2.7 mil in the first week* uhm skew the numbers much? that wasn't the first week that was with annual passes and pre-orders their sales on launch day were 700k well below Cata's launch day. But that's beside the point I'm about to make.

    GW2 is the best game they've come out with in a long long time. the poeple who dislike are usually those who are the zombie subscription crowd, the crowd who actually still plays SWTOR even tho they themselves called it mediocre (what does that say about them), and the people who generally dislike a store of any kind on their game (even tho most of them play WoW which has a store go figure). This of course is leaving out the large number of people on this site who sit around jumping on the "i hate GW2 because people like it" train.

    No one can deny that GW2 has had the best launch of any mmo, has the best solutions for every major pve issue any pve player has ever experienced in every game, and delivered on what they promised would be in game on launch day. Hands down other companies haven't been able to do these three simple things on their launches even with millions of dollars backing them. Even those that are 7+ years old. :)

    Damn...

    It's like a zealous religion.

    Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the LORD Himself is GW2 in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.

    If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

    Can you honestly read your own posts with a straight face?

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo Member CommonPosts: 7,207
    Halflife:
    I enjoyed tsw while leveling, and will defend it against some of the stupid stuff like "bad combat". However once I finished transylvania boy was I disappointed, because it then turned into bloody wow, everyone stood in agartha waiting to go to an Instance.

    What is everyone stood in agartha / orgrimar / republic fleet etc. Waiting to go to an instance if not a "glorified lobby game", its no different to gw1 (which I don't like) except they have this open world leveling bit with tsw and wow first.

    If tsw had better pvp and a more outdoors pve endgame and wasn't a linear dungeon grindike wow, I would have stayed a while longer.

    Also I'm not a gw2 fanboi, I say on this thread i think perpetuum was best since 2005, but I do like this one thing about gw2, its not everyone sat in cities waiting to go grind Instances, most people at end game are either out in the pve world or out in WvW. Gw2 brings back that endgame from the pre wow themeparks like daoc & COH.

    Most themeparks since and including wow are glorified lobby games once you level, war and aion kinda break it with being more pvp focussed, rift from well having rifts, but sorry to me wow, tsw,swtor, Aoc, lotr they are "stand in cities queueing" games. I'm British, i do enough of that in real life, I don't want to do it in games.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 31,892
    Originally posted by gobla
     

    Except McDonalds is a great restaurant.

    It fails utterly and completely as a five-star restaurant. It's abhorrant as a healthy restaurant. It's abismall as a romantic restaurant.

    But it is, nonetheless, a great restaurant. A great fast food restaurant to be precise. Because it does exactly what a fast food restaurant is supposed to do and it does so exceedingly well. I can't think of any other place that's better when it comes to vast quantities of cheap food in the shortest amount of time possible.

    Because that's the reason people visit fast food restaurants. They don't go there for the atmosphere. They don't go there for the great quality. They don't go there the healthy food. They go there to get a lot of food for a low price without much of a wait.

    Likewise for WoW. It's a dreadfull sandbox. It's a total dissapointment on many, many styles of MMO. But it's amazing at the reason people play it, otherwise so many would not be playing it. It's a great MMO. It's only your own specialised definition of MMO that falls short.

    the force is strong in this one.

    Just like the people who like to point out that Brittany Spears or Justin Bieber are horrible. well, to the many people who gravitate toward their pop settings they are great. They "do" pop music and embody the trappings of pop star presentatation.

     

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  • halflife25halflife25 Member Posts: 737
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    *laughs and shakes head @ MoP selling 2.7 mil in the first week* uhm skew the numbers much? that wasn't the first week that was with annual passes and pre-orders their sales on launch day were 700k well below Cata's launch day. But that's beside the point I'm about to make.

    GW2 is the best game they've come out with in a long long time. the poeple who dislike are usually those who are the zombie subscription crowd, the crowd who actually still plays SWTOR even tho they themselves called it mediocre (what does that say about them), and the people who generally dislike a store of any kind on their game (even tho most of them play WoW which has a store go figure). This of course is leaving out the large number of people on this site who sit around jumping on the "i hate GW2 because people like it" train.

    No one can deny that GW2 has had the best launch of any mmo, has the best solutions for every major pve issue any pve player has ever experienced in every game, and delivered on what they promised would be in game on launch day. Hands down other companies haven't been able to do these three simple things on their launches even with millions of dollars backing them. Even those that are 7+ years old. :)

    No one can beat GW2 fans when it comes to being over zealous.

    Wow..just wow!!

    Judging people on basis of what games they play. Do you know what irony means?

  • dzoni87dzoni87 Member Posts: 541
    And there it goes... another topic turned out info "Fanboy-Hater" war. Why cant we all get along? :(

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    Waiting for: Pathfinder Online

  • goblagobla Member UncommonPosts: 1,412
    Originally posted by dzoni87
    And there it goes... another topic turned out info "Fanboy-Hater" war. Why cant we all get along? :(

    Where's the fun in that?

    Just think of the games you play and love.

    How many of them had conflict in them? In how many of them did everyone get along?

    Conflict is fun, as long as it doesn't turn violent, abusive or insulting.

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