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Raph Koster on SWTOR

noncleynoncley LondonPosts: 648Member Uncommon

http://www.raphkoster.com/2012/09/17/ogda-meeting/#more-4248

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Direct cut and pate. The smiley is his.

 

"As far as SWTOR goes, I had and have a lot of friends working on it… but I think anyone could deduce that I am not a fan of the very heavy storytelling approach, as I think that it a) downplays what MMOs do best and uniquely and b) drives exorbitant costs that increase risk and therefore conservatism. That said, they did it really well. :)

Gordon left quite a while before it shipped. I know, because he came to work at Playdom. I don’t really know the exact circumstances of why he left, nor would they be mine to reveal in any case.:)"

 

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  • LowdosLowdos HarrogatePosts: 644Member

    Quite the exaggeration, there.

    And it would appear that all MMOs are slowly dying, one way or another.

  • halflife25halflife25 Toronto, ONPosts: 737Member
    Ok i came in expecting to see Raph 'laughing..LAUGHING at slow death of SWTOR.' But all i saw  was two smilies and one random referenece to SWTOR.
  • LowdosLowdos HarrogatePosts: 644Member
    The OP should consider a job writing for the Daily Mail. (UK tabloid)
  • BoldynBoldyn PartillePosts: 265Member

    Your english skills aren't that good I take it?

     

    She wasn't being sarcastic at the end. She explains that she doesn't like that kind of gameplay but THAT BEING SAID, they did it pretty good.

     

    ...If you are gonna spend your life as a pathetic troll who makes himself feel good by putting others down, learn to do it properly.

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Man what a letdown of an OP

    El Psy Congroo

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member

    This is not the droid I was looking for.

     

    Begone!

  • noncleynoncley LondonPosts: 648Member Uncommon
    You fanbois have no sense of humour.
  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,364MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by Boldyn

    Your english skills aren't that good I take it?

     

    She wasn't being sarcastic at the end. She explains that she doesn't like that kind of gameplay but THAT BEING SAID, they did it pretty good.

     

    ...If you are gonna spend your life as a pathetic troll who makes himself feel good by putting others down, learn to do it properly.

    Just a correction: Raph is definitely a guy.  :)

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,290Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lowdos
    The OP should consider a job writing for the Daily Mail. (UK tabloid)

    their too busy talking about the karda$ian$ image

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lowdos
    The OP should consider a job writing for the Daily Heil. (UK tabloid)

    Just corrected that for you. :)

    image
  • BoldynBoldyn PartillePosts: 265Member
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    Originally posted by Boldyn

    Your english skills aren't that good I take it?

     

    She wasn't being sarcastic at the end. She explains that she doesn't like that kind of gameplay but THAT BEING SAID, they did it pretty good.

     

    ...If you are gonna spend your life as a pathetic troll who makes himself feel good by putting others down, learn to do it properly.

    Just a correction: Raph is definitely a guy.  :)

    And I was really set out to correct that aswell, but in my frustration with peoples behaviour (also shown by my lemming-like willingness to follow down their dark path..), I forgot it!

     

    I am sorry Raph!

  • noncleynoncley LondonPosts: 648Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by halflife25
    Ok i came in expecting to see Raph 'laughing..LAUGHING at slow death of SWTOR.' But all i saw  was two smilies and one random referenece to SWTOR.

    Those aren't just any 'SMILIES'.

    They are 'SARCASTIC SMILIES'.

    Look 'em up.

  • ScambugScambug TortugaPosts: 389Member

    Raph's the man ! Too bad he started working on "social" MMOs, I won't be following him there this time.

    But then again...never say never !

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon

    Some very interesting & complex points touched upon in this talk. Thanks for posting it!

    I'd definitely recommend people interested in making games watch this (and read some of the material he mentions)! He touches on a lot of good points and problems with the industry.

  • skydiver12skydiver12 burgundPosts: 432Member

    The Issue with SWTOR is, MMOs need an environment where [they] can prosper slowly, grow, constant evolve.

    EAWARE is all about the quick buck. Squeezing everything left out, and spending the money elswhere to keep record sales, because an amazing runnin mmo even with 4 million subs does not get near raw box and dlc sale numbers across platforms like the yearly FIFA, Madden, Dragon Age, ME franchise.

    All EAWare wanted was high box sales, that's what they got.
    How can any MMO prosper with such a developer? It's a shame that the sw franchise and the people working on the story and art got ra*** again by a milking company.

    And it certainly didn't help to have incompetend "voiced" devs, shouting at the community things like "It's your fault you don't like our [bugged, half implemented] feature" instead on working, reshaping and finishing features. Or at least admitting errors instead of spinning them like "mega", "meaty" additions.

    Nice read anyway thanks!

  • UkiahUkiah Austin, TXPosts: 273Member
    Originally posted by skydiver12

     

    And it certainly didn't help to have incompetend "voiced" devs, shouting at the community things like "It's your fault you don't like our [bugged, half implemented] feature" instead on working, reshaping and finishing features. Or at least admitting errors instead of spinning them like "mega", "meaty" additions.

     

     

    Am I the only one who thought that  in every interview, Ohlen looked like he had a VICIOUS case of diarrhea and was desperate to get off camera?

  • starwarsnutstarwarsnut oceanside, CAPosts: 189Member
    Other thing about james ohlen is hes an arrogant sob constantly saying "we have the best pvp team" when swtor has the most epic fail pvp i have ever seen not to mention how badly ilum went. Then to see him selling a custom ui and group finder like its content that was quite embarrassing to say the least. Imagine wow or gw2 making a huge deal about a group finder or custom ui. Its like an mmo in the lat 90's going hey we have copy and paste from chat!! exciting new features here!
  • YakamomotoYakamomoto Osaka, ARPosts: 363Member

    So.. SWG 2.... When?

     

    :D

  • smh_alotsmh_alot Area 51Posts: 976Member
    Originally posted by noncley

    Originally posted by halflife25
    Ok i came in expecting to see Raph 'laughing..LAUGHING at slow death of SWTOR.' But all i saw  was two smilies and one random referenece to SWTOR.

    Those aren't just any 'SMILIES'.

    They are 'SARCASTIC SMILIES'.

    Look 'em up.

     

    ? Are you sure that's not just wishful thinking from your side? A normal smiley and a sarcastic smiley both are exactly the same, so the context should make the difference clear. His comments from what I saw points to a normal smiley. I googled on Raph Koster and 'the Old Republic' out of curiosity, but couldn't really find any other SWTOR related quotes of him that'd point towards it being a sarcastic smiley. The 2nd smiley after the Gordon leaving comment is there in the OP, but isn't present in the source comment where the link in the OP points to. At least, no 2nd smiley as far as I can see in the link (wrong link?)

    Meh, anyway... found a link to a Raph interview about SWG while googling, so I guess this thread hasn't been completely trivial to me.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    The issue with swtor, its not like starwars

    In a starwars mmo, I want to;
    Be in wars, like the battle for hoth
    Or space battles
    Or smuggle stuff while persuade by a star destroyer
    Or break into jabbas palace
    Or really learn to use a lightsaber
    Or be a bloomin wookie

    But my few weeks in swtor as a trooper, were
    Endless boring political stuff (so I guess they got PM in there then)
    Using mailboxes, crafting stations and other medieval fantasy troppes
  • LoverNoFighterLoverNoFighter Star CItyPosts: 294Member
    Originally posted by Yakamomoto

    So.. SWG 2.... When?

     

    :D

    Oh how I whish for that day to come.

    SWG pre cu > all the crappy MMOs of today.

  • Acebets70Acebets70 Millbury, OHPosts: 205Member Uncommon
    !!! Some one said SWG 2????? sigh back to bed i go....(puts away lightning cannon)  zzZZZzzzZZzz
  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,978Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Lowdos

    Quite the exaggeration, there.

    And it would appear that all MMOs are slowly dying, one way or another.

    Yeah, MMOs needs something new and fresh if the genre want to live. Surprisingly many people here seems to think that a remake of UO, AC or EQ would help but I doubt it.

    Massive multiplayer RPGs have a huge untapped potential but Biowares idea of making them more like singleplayer RPGs just didnt work. Worth trying it though, but they should have gone the opposite direction instead.

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,978Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
    Originally posted by Yakamomoto

    So.. SWG 2.... When?

    :D

    Oh how I whish for that day to come.

    SWG pre cu > all the crappy MMOs of today.

    Yeah, SWG was the best game ever which its massive player numbers showed... Or not.

    SWG did some things really right, like crafting and player owned stores. It also had a lot of features not so great.

    A better coded version of SWG with new graphics still wouldnt reach half a million subs, it would take more.

  • gothagotha weymouth, MAPosts: 1,040Member
    I think he is correct in talking about story.  Smart guy
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