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[Editorial] Guild Wars 2: Review in Progress - Part Three

BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing EditorBerea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

This week, fresh off vacation, Bill brings us the third part in his Review in Progress for Guild Wars 2. He dives into the crafting, the UI, the Trading Post, and other general bits and pieces. Take a look!

I did an event this week that had me do math. And I loved it. It’s in Brisban Highlands, and I think it’s called “Utla Metamagicals”.  Basically, there are Asurans doing what they do best: messing with the space-time continuum and as Asura Gates let through tons of monstrous beasts through to our world, you’re running about helping them get the experiment running and preparing the test.  There are panels around the lab that ask you basic mathematical problems and give you multiple choices for the answer. Correctly respond = progress. 

Read the rest of Bill Murphy's Guild Wars 2: Review in Progress - Part Three.


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 4,530Member Uncommon

    Actually Bill.  When leveling crafting you should NOT "make lots of repeat stuff when leveling". That is the worst way to level your crafting skills.  Instead you should purely level on discoveries.   It's still a grind of sorts, but I found it to be a little better than the "grind 200 of the same items" way.

     

    Crafting also give a ridiculou amount of XP.  With little planning I gained 8 levels in 90 minutes.. those are character levels.  Probably needs to be toned down a wee bit.

     

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  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Actually Bill.  When leveling crafting you should NOT "make lots of repeat stuff when leveling". That is the worst way to level your crafting skills.  Instead you should purely level on discoveries.   It's still a grind of sorts, but I found it to be a little better than the "grind 200 of the same items" way.

     

     

    Is cooking an exception to that?  I've filled my packs with every ingredient I could find, but still only discovered a few basic items.

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    You're right, I should mention that. But I find, at least so far, that even after discovering things, you do have to make dozens of lesser components to help push it along. I must be missing some discoveries... :)
  • nate1980nate1980 Evans, GAPosts: 1,829Member
    Bill,

    Don't forget to delve into the dungeons, so we can hear your views on that too. The first one is at level 30, called Ascalon Catacombs, incase you didn't already know. Looking forward to your wvwvw review too.
  • NephaeriusNephaerius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,539Member Uncommon
    You are probably missing some. Ive done leather jewels and artificing so far and discovery is the way to go.

    Steam: Neph

  • HomituHomitu Hometown, HIPosts: 2,030Member
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    You're right, I should mention that. But I find, at least so far, that even after discovering things, you do have to make dozens of lesser components to help push it along. I must be missing some discoveries... :)

    No, you're doing it right.  Every piecewithin a given tier, all scepters from levels 75-150 for example, requires the same 2 components.  The only varying ingredient is the insignia/inscription.  There will be a few level 75 insignias, a few level 100 insignias and a few level 125 insignias.  Use a few of each within each level range for each set of components.  Optimally efficient crafting does require that you make several of each component during the early stages of each tier, while making them still provides skill ups.  Of course, this requires an understanding of just how many you will ultimately need to push through the next 75 levels, an understanding that can only fully be attained through practice and familiarity with the crafting system. 

  • adamlin747adamlin747 Midland, MIPosts: 23Member
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Actually Bill.  When leveling crafting you should NOT "make lots of repeat stuff when leveling". That is the worst way to level your crafting skills.  Instead you should purely level on discoveries.   It's still a grind of sorts, but I found it to be a little better than the "grind 200 of the same items" way.

     

    Crafting also give a ridiculou amount of XP.  With little planning I gained 8 levels in 90 minutes.. those are character levels.  Probably needs to be toned down a wee bit.

     

    Yes I find it annoying that I can't really level crafting equal to or ahead of my level because I gain xp for crafting, for mining, for fighting monsters in the area near the mining.  Some of us aren't in a huge rush to reach the end of this game and I think the overabundunt xp offered by everything I do is annoying.  Only two things other than that bother me no open world pvp (find it more exciting) and I personally kind of miss quest hubs because not it seems like there is no world story I am just in an area and kill stuff or whatever till heart fills up and move on :(  I know we all have our own stories but I think they should have mixed dynamic events, and still had quest hubs.  Plus it was a good way to meet other players, the "towns" in the areas feel dead to me and mostly just there for looks. 

  • Master10KMaster10K LondonPosts: 3,065Member
    Originally posted by Vhaln
    ...

     Is cooking an exception to that?  I've filled my packs with every ingredient I could find, but still only discovered a few basic items.

    Yes cooking a bit of an exception and I think it is by far the best crafting discipline in the game. Two things you should craft loads of are "Loafs of Bread" and "Balls of Dough". Those two things alone can easily be made into dozens of different discovered foods, like different types of burgers and every single kind of tart/pie you can think of.

     

    Also talking to every Heart you've unlocked is a must as a cook, since a lot of the times you can buy bulks of cooking ingredients from them. Once you've found the Lemon, Cherry & Peaches NPCs you are pretty much set.

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  • evolpcevolpc Wauseon, OHPosts: 72Member Uncommon

    "Queue times are anywhere between one and three hours long, even when you queue up for all at once. It’s disheartening because I don’t have that kind of time most days, but also a bit awesome to know that people seem to love WvW so much on Jade Quarry. But to review that portion of the game, I’m hoping that Pandaria’s release draws some of the heat off of the Eternal Battlegrounds so I can get some good time in. I won’t finish this review series until I can."

     

    I think this is silly. You should not hold back a review in order to wait for them to do something about this or for the problem to fix itself. The way you guys usually throw reviews out there should be applied even handedly. If, due to a poor design choice, the feature is unavailable at review time, it should simply be penalized points within that review criteria. I love GW2 but you are journalists first, fans later. You shouldn't give favortism out so blatantly. You don't do this for other games (atleast in any of the reviews I have read over the years here at mmorpg.com)

     

    Judge the game on its current merrits at the time of the review. If a feature is unavailable to be reviewed.... well then the recourse is very simple. Why go out of your way to avoid taking any points away?

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by evolpc

    Judge the game on its current merrits at the time of the review. If a feature is unavailable to be reviewed.... well then the recourse is very simple. Why go out of your way to avoid taking any points away?

    It's not about that, but rather about missing out the biggest part of its PVP. I'd not be able to judge it at all, whereas I can judge a majority of the PVE content and sPVP, but not the big draw: WVW.  I can't judge it on its current merits if I can't access all systems.  And I can't really take away points because a feature is popular either.  

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Master10K

    Also talking to every Heart you've unlocked is a must as a cook, since a lot of the times you can buy bulks of cooking ingredients from them. Once you've found the Lemon, Cherry & Peaches NPCs you are pretty much set.

    This ^.

    I'd also suggest saving Karma for these NPCs. Whenever you find an NPC that sells cooking ingredients in bulk, ALWAYS buy 10 bags of them (which will give you 250 of the material). This'll ensure that you have the max of all your ingredients in storage for when you decide to do some serious cooking.

  • petespripetespri salt lake city, UTPosts: 15Member

    @Evolc-

    I think his point is not that "queues will be fine later so I'm waiting to review" so much as he wants to review the GAMEPLAY in WvW, which he cant since he hasnt' been in it.

  • evolpcevolpc Wauseon, OHPosts: 72Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    Originally posted by evolpc

    Judge the game on its current merrits at the time of the review. If a feature is unavailable to be reviewed.... well then the recourse is very simple. Why go out of your way to avoid taking any points away?

    It's not about that, but rather about missing out the biggest part of it's PVP. I'd not be able to judge it at all, whereas I can judge a majority of the PVE content and sPVP, but not the big draw: WVW.  I can't judge it on its current merits, if I can't access all systems.  And I can't really take away points because a feature is popular either.  

    You sound a lot more like a fan than a journalist. Obviously you would not be taking away points because a feature is popular. That's another cop out. When looking at it objectively the feature is unavailable to be scored. The reason is irrelevant. It is one of the major features of the game and should be available, within reason, to all who purchase the game. If it is not then it is a shortcoming of the game design, which you are representing yourself as a reviewer of. You keep saying yourself that you can't access the systems to review them. However the game will receive a glowing, gushing review at press time. It seems intellectually dishonest.

  • HomituHomitu Hometown, HIPosts: 2,030Member
    Originally posted by evolpc
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    Originally posted by evolpc

    Judge the game on its current merrits at the time of the review. If a feature is unavailable to be reviewed.... well then the recourse is very simple. Why go out of your way to avoid taking any points away?

    It's not about that, but rather about missing out the biggest part of it's PVP. I'd not be able to judge it at all, whereas I can judge a majority of the PVE content and sPVP, but not the big draw: WVW.  I can't judge it on its current merits, if I can't access all systems.  And I can't really take away points because a feature is popular either.  

    You sound a lot more like a fan than a journalist. Obviously you would not be taking away points because a feature is popular. That's another cop out. When looking at it objectively the feature is unavailable to be scored. The reason is irrelevant. It is one of the major features of the game and should be available, within reason, to all who purchase the game. If it is not then it is a shortcoming of the game design, which you are representing yourself as a reviewer of. You keep saying yourself that you can't access the systems to review them. However the game will receive a glowing, gushing review at press time. It seems intellectually dishonest.

    The only journalistically honest thing he can do here is exactly what he has done: state and explain the current shortcoming and wait until he can actually play that aspect of the game before he analyzes, you know, that aspect of the game.  It would be downright dishonest to give WvW a completely negative review as you seem to desire him to do when he has zero experience to go by.  The only journalistic obligation is to report the fact as it is, which right now for him is that he hasn't been able to access WvW because of queue times.  That is what it is.  It's a negative strike against WvW.  He reported it.  What more do you want? 

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by evolpc
    You sound a lot more like a fan than a journalist. Obviously you would not be taking away points because a feature is popular. That's another cop out. When looking at it objectively the feature is unavailable to be scored. The reason is irrelevant. It is one of the major features of the game and should be available, within reason, to all who purchase the game. If it is not then it is a shortcoming of the game design, which you are representing yourself as a reviewer of. You keep saying yourself that you can't access the systems to review them. However the game will receive a glowing, gushing review at press time. It seems intellectually dishonest.

    I'm not going to withold a score forever, and I apologize if I make it seem that way.  I'm simply trying to make it clear that I feel a reviewer should partake in every system of a game before giving a final review.  That's what I aim to do. If I can never get into WvW, then yes I'll likely go your suggested route and try to encapsulate it as best I can. But I'd really like to actually get some quality time with WVW before judging that part of the game.  I see your point, but I think I've made it clear enough already I'm unhappy with the queues to partake in WVW, so that's already counting against it. But I still want to really dive into the system to make a real honest call on it.

    Make sense?

  • evolpcevolpc Wauseon, OHPosts: 72Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Homitu
    Originally posted by evolpc
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    Originally posted by evolpc

    Judge the game on its current merrits at the time of the review. If a feature is unavailable to be reviewed.... well then the recourse is very simple. Why go out of your way to avoid taking any points away?

    It's not about that, but rather about missing out the biggest part of it's PVP. I'd not be able to judge it at all, whereas I can judge a majority of the PVE content and sPVP, but not the big draw: WVW.  I can't judge it on its current merits, if I can't access all systems.  And I can't really take away points because a feature is popular either.  

    You sound a lot more like a fan than a journalist. Obviously you would not be taking away points because a feature is popular. That's another cop out. When looking at it objectively the feature is unavailable to be scored. The reason is irrelevant. It is one of the major features of the game and should be available, within reason, to all who purchase the game. If it is not then it is a shortcoming of the game design, which you are representing yourself as a reviewer of. You keep saying yourself that you can't access the systems to review them. However the game will receive a glowing, gushing review at press time. It seems intellectually dishonest.

    The only journalistically honest thing he can do here is exactly what he has done: state and explain the current shortcoming and wait until he can actually play that aspect of the game before he analyzes, you know, that aspect of the game.  It would be downright dishonest to give WvW a completely negative review as you seem to desire him to do when he has zero experience to go by.  The only journalistic obligation is to report the fact as it is, which right now for him is that he hasn't been able to access WvW because of queue times.  That is what it is.  It's a negative strike against WvW.  He reported it.  What more do you want? 

    What I want is for it to be a negative strike against WvWvW, just as you said yourself. Many customers are affected and unhappy about this shortcoming, myself included. I do not think it should be glossed over that this is a problem when he finally does review it. They do not do favors like that for other games. I suppose I will reserve further judgement for when he publishes the official review but I will not hold my breath. It is a great game but does not deserve a free pass on anything. If the game is really that great, favors like that will not be necessary will they?

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing Editor Berea, OHPosts: 2,377MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon
    Originally posted by evolpc
    What I want is for it to be a negative strike against WvWvW, just as you said yourself. Many customers are affected and unhappy about this shortcoming, myself included. I do not think it should be glossed over that this is a problem when he finally does review it. They do not do favors like that for other games. I suppose I will reserve further judgement for when he publishes the official review but I will not hold my breath. It is a great game but does not deserve a free pass on anything. If the game is really that great, favors like that will not be necessary will they?

    Quoting myself for you.  :)

    " I see your point, but I think I've made it clear enough already I'm unhappy with the queues to partake in WVW, so that's already counting against it. But I still want to really dive into the system to make a real honest call on it."

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,946Member Uncommon
    No, what you want is a negative strike against access to wvwvw not wvwvw itself, that has not been reviews yet. And ofc that is what he has done.

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  • evolpcevolpc Wauseon, OHPosts: 72Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    Originally posted by evolpc
    You sound a lot more like a fan than a journalist. Obviously you would not be taking away points because a feature is popular. That's another cop out. When looking at it objectively the feature is unavailable to be scored. The reason is irrelevant. It is one of the major features of the game and should be available, within reason, to all who purchase the game. If it is not then it is a shortcoming of the game design, which you are representing yourself as a reviewer of. You keep saying yourself that you can't access the systems to review them. However the game will receive a glowing, gushing review at press time. It seems intellectually dishonest.

    I'm not going to withold a score forever, and I apologize if I make it seem that way.  I'm simply trying to make it clear that I feel a reviewer should partake in every system of a game before giving a final review.  That's what I aim to do. If I can never get into WvW, then yes I'll likely go your suggested route and try to encapsulate it as best I can. But I'd really like to actually get some quality time with WVW before judging that part of the game.  I see your point, but I think I've made it clear enough already I'm unhappy with the queues to partake in WVW, so that's already counting against it. But I still want to really dive into the system to make a real honest call on it.

    Make sense?

    Well said and I am glad you are clarrifying your position. Your statement before was a bit ambigious and left a lot to the imagination. I just hope the official review takes into account the actual game play experience including the long wait to ever be able to enjoy a core feature.

  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member
    Originally posted by Master10K

    Yes cooking a bit of an exception and I think it is by far the best crafting discipline in the game. Two things you should craft loads of are "Loafs of Bread" and "Balls of Dough". Those two things alone can easily be made into dozens of different discovered foods, like different types of burgers and every single kind of tart/pie you can think of.

     

    Also talking to every Heart you've unlocked is a must as a cook, since a lot of the times you can buy bulks of cooking ingredients from them. Once you've found the Lemon, Cherry & Peaches NPCs you are pretty much set.

     

    Thanks for the tips.  I've found lemons, but not cherries or peaches.  I'll keep an eye out for them.

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • Master10KMaster10K LondonPosts: 3,065Member
    Originally posted by Vhaln
    Originally posted by Master10K

    Yes cooking a bit of an exception and I think it is by far the best crafting discipline in the game. Two things you should craft loads of are "Loafs of Bread" and "Balls of Dough". Those two things alone can easily be made into dozens of different discovered foods, like different types of burgers and every single kind of tart/pie you can think of.

     

    Also talking to every Heart you've unlocked is a must as a cook, since a lot of the times you can buy bulks of cooking ingredients from them. Once you've found the Lemon, Cherry & Peaches NPCs you are pretty much set.

    Thanks for the tips.  I've found lemons, but not cherries or peaches.  I'll keep an eye out for them.

    The cherries are in a cave to the south of Harathi Hinterlands. Heart involves killing crabs. Once you get those and can make something with them (e.g. Chocolate Cherries), then you should be able to easily level your cooking to 225. But till then, just make stuff like chocolate chip cookies.

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  • elockeelocke Manassas, VAPosts: 4,205Member Uncommon

    I'm still loving the game, but I would like to see some roadmap as to what is coming.  Especially pertaining to other game mechanics such as Housing and the other mini games supposedly in the wings.  Just want to know that while I'm busy leveling alts that more is coming.

     Endgame is ok.  It's better than most other games I've played and yet, I still am looking for some type of "progression" and right now we don't really have that at endgame.  YOu could literally stop doing anything at 80 on a character and you wouldn't be missing much.  

    No, I don't want to go back to gear treadmills or raids I can never get into due to time or other reasons.  However, and this is why I mentioned Housing above, I would like some type of carrot to chase or progression to unlock.  For me I'm an explorer, and I'm at 98% world map completion.  Once I'm finished what else is there for me as an explorer to do?  This is why I hope they give us a roadmap stating new zones or housing or other things, just to flesh out what already is an awesome game. 

    It's time to take it to the next level though and build from here.  Much like Trion is doing with Rift, I want to see these updates on a very consistent basis and some transparency from the dev team at least hinting at what is coming down the road.  

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  • HomituHomitu Hometown, HIPosts: 2,030Member
    Originally posted by evolpc
    Originally posted by Homitu
    Originally posted by evolpc
    Originally posted by BillMurphy
    Originally posted by evolpc

    Judge the game on its current merrits at the time of the review. If a feature is unavailable to be reviewed.... well then the recourse is very simple. Why go out of your way to avoid taking any points away?

    It's not about that, but rather about missing out the biggest part of it's PVP. I'd not be able to judge it at all, whereas I can judge a majority of the PVE content and sPVP, but not the big draw: WVW.  I can't judge it on its current merits, if I can't access all systems.  And I can't really take away points because a feature is popular either.  

    You sound a lot more like a fan than a journalist. Obviously you would not be taking away points because a feature is popular. That's another cop out. When looking at it objectively the feature is unavailable to be scored. The reason is irrelevant. It is one of the major features of the game and should be available, within reason, to all who purchase the game. If it is not then it is a shortcoming of the game design, which you are representing yourself as a reviewer of. You keep saying yourself that you can't access the systems to review them. However the game will receive a glowing, gushing review at press time. It seems intellectually dishonest.

    The only journalistically honest thing he can do here is exactly what he has done: state and explain the current shortcoming and wait until he can actually play that aspect of the game before he analyzes, you know, that aspect of the game.  It would be downright dishonest to give WvW a completely negative review as you seem to desire him to do when he has zero experience to go by.  The only journalistic obligation is to report the fact as it is, which right now for him is that he hasn't been able to access WvW because of queue times.  That is what it is.  It's a negative strike against WvW.  He reported it.  What more do you want? 

    What I want is for it to be a negative strike against WvWvW, just as you said yourself. Many customers are affected and unhappy about this shortcoming, myself included. I do not think it should be glossed over that this is a problem when he finally does review it. They do not do favors like that for other games. I suppose I will reserve further judgement for when he publishes the official review but I will not hold my breath. It is a great game but does not deserve a free pass on anything. If the game is really that great, favors like that will not be necessary will they?

    And that's exactly what he did.  His journalistic obligation is fulfilled for the time being, and I suspect a mention of the queue times will also be included in his full review of WvW when he gets to it.  If that review section is published without mention of the queues, then and only then will your present gripe be justified.  

    At present, it just looks like you've become so jaded by fanboys that you're actually trying to compensate in the opposite direction, which, of course, is equally as dishonest as blind fanboyism.  

  • delta9delta9 PlymouthPosts: 343Member Common

    Because you will make lots of repeat stuff while you advance your tradeskills. 

     

    Simply not true :)

  • Shana77Shana77 UtrechtPosts: 207Member
    I love WvW but then i've seen the storm coming in the beta weekend events and was smart enough not to pick one of the more popular WvW servers. I only have 10 minute queues at most. Is it perhaps an option for the reviewers to transfer temporarily to another server to take one or two days testing the WvW? You can always transfer back after. 
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