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The thing(s) to remember about Heart Quests

BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

Just remember - there are only about 300 Heart Quests in the game.

Just 300.

There are over 1,500 Dynamic Events in GW2.

There are more Points of Interest to explore than Heart Quests - almost 3 times as many.

There are more Waypoint for fast travel to unlock then there are Heart Quests.

The ratio of Heart Quests to Events is purposefully a lot higher in the early zones to help guide new players.

Proof?

The Map tells you how many of what there are in the game... (this is an old picture)

http://mystaffisbiggerthanyours.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/21.jpg

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  • MattVidMattVid Terre Haute, INPosts: 399Member

    I am assuming Heart Quests will become less and less as we progress. They have already stated the Orr (the final zone in the game) is going to have zero hearts. It is just hand holding crap anyways, I will be glad when they are gone ;)

  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by MattVid

    I am assuming Heart Quests will become less and less as we progress. They have already stated the Orr (the final zone in the game) is going to have zero hearts. It is just hand holding crap anyways, I will be glad when they are gone ;)

    They're also necessary for that very reason: Too many people were completely lost without having their hands held until they learned a new way to experience content. Hearts were added for exactly that reason, and as people learn to explore and find content they'll have less and less hearts to guide them.

    Oderint, dum metuant.
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  • OberholzerOberholzer Hasbrouck Heights, NJPosts: 498Member

    I have seen heart quests mentioned many times but I guess I still don't really know the point of them, can anyone explain please?

  • itsTortitsTort San Diego, CAPosts: 128Member
    Originally posted by Oberholzer

    I have seen heart quests mentioned many times but I guess I still don't really know the point of them, can anyone explain please?

    They are just as Volkon stated they are. =P

  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,779Member Uncommon

    I am glad for the hearts for some, but I don't understand how thousands of people could have played Skyrim and not had them. Why when you get to GW2 do people become so lost exploring?

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • OberholzerOberholzer Hasbrouck Heights, NJPosts: 498Member
    Originally posted by ItsGopher
    Originally posted by Oberholzer

    I have seen heart quests mentioned many times but I guess I still don't really know the point of them, can anyone explain please?

    They are just as Volkon stated they are. =P

    Whoops missed that one while I was posting, thank you.

  • GraeyGraey Jacksonville, FLPosts: 218Member
    Originally posted by ItsGopher
    Originally posted by Oberholzer

    I have seen heart quests mentioned many times but I guess I still don't really know the point of them, can anyone explain please?

    They are just as Volkon stated they are. =P

    Basically heart quests are like the quests in wow, eq2...standard quests. You know when you walk up to an NPC and they have an ! over their head. Think of heart quests like that...however where as you would generally talk to an NPS to start ! quests, yuo don't necesarrily have to do that in GW2. You can just walk in the vicinity and a heart quest will update on your screen. They also can lead to further heart quests, and Dynamic events.

  • dllddlld GöteborgPosts: 541Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I am glad for the hearts for some, but I don't understand how thousands of people could have played Skyrim and not had them. Why when you get to GW2 do people become so lost exploring?

    You did have big fat arrow pointing you through the main story line always there (unless you turned it off), that's sort of comparable to the hearts.

  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I am glad for the hearts for some, but I don't understand how thousands of people could have played Skyrim and not had them. Why when you get to GW2 do people become so lost exploring?

    WoW syndrome. People have been trained in MMOs to congregate on a hub, gather all the quests you can, finish them, go back to the hub, collect rewards, go to the next hub. Although there's overlaps in the populations, most RPG gamers (and anyone with any sandbos experience at all) know how to seek out content instead of being led to it by a ring in their nose.

    Oderint, dum metuant.
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  • GundricGundric Memphis, TNPosts: 341Member Uncommon

    I did the heart quests the first couple times I quested but they tended to be a little boring after a while so I now I just go around exploring and doing the DE's that pop up.  Sometimes I end up doing the heart quests without even realizing it anyways.  That's the way questing should be, no talking to an NPC to pick up quests and constantly checking your quest log.  The DE's are pretty easy at first but after leveling up to 18 a couple of times I found that the DE's got pretty challenging.  I tended to stay in zones that I was just barely a little low to go in (I like the challenge).   

    Other than that, it is good to complete heart quests from time to time at least though.  When you complete a task for the Heart Quest NPC, he will sell items to you. You buy items with your accumulated Karma Points that you get from doing DE's and heart quests.  Every NPC has different items. 

  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,779Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I am glad for the hearts for some, but I don't understand how thousands of people could have played Skyrim and not had them. Why when you get to GW2 do people become so lost exploring?

    WoW syndrome. People have been trained in MMOs to congregate on a hub, gather all the quests you can, finish them, go back to the hub, collect rewards, go to the next hub. Although there's overlaps in the populations, most RPG gamers (and anyone with any sandbos experience at all) know how to seek out content instead of being led to it by a ring in their nose.

    Ya, I have even played some f2p games that actually move you to the quest location automatically! hehe 

    Anyway, ty for the heart info BS. It's good to open the knowledge to othes!

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • KuraphimaruKuraphimaru Mississauga, ONPosts: 1,290Member Uncommon

    Lets not forget that they also added a bunch of jumping puzzles to the map exploration.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member
    Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

    Lets not forget that they also added a bunch of jumping puzzles to the map exploration.

    The Vistas are a nice touch - a way to introduce players to the concept of jumping puzzles.

    There are SO many more that are not tied to a Vista though.

  • XiaokiXiaoki White Pigeon, MIPosts: 2,603Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Volkon
    They're also necessary for that very reason: Too many people were completely lost without having their hands held until they learned a new way to experience content. Hearts were added for exactly that reason, and as people learn to explore and find content they'll have less and less hearts to guide them.
    For BWE3 I made for the Sylvari as soon as possible(a lot of other people had the same idea) and when in the starter zone I wandered around for about 10 minutes trying to find any DEs.

    I gave up and started doing the Hearts. Most of the way through the second Heart(the god awful one that turns into a wolf) I encountered my first Sylvari DE.

    I spent most of BWE3 in the Sylvari starting zone and only saw like 7 DEs and each one no more than 3 times.

    If thats the "new way to experience content" then the old way is just fine.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

    I spent most of BWE3 in the Sylvari starting zone and only saw like 7 DEs and each one no more than 3 times.

    If thats the "new way to experience content" then the old way is just fine.

    Highlighted the key point for you.

    For better or for worse, the starter zones have a lot of Heart quests and not as many DE's.

    By level 14-15 the ratio improves greatly.

     

  • MeowheadMeowhead New Carlisle, INPosts: 3,716Member

    I.... I actually really LIKE the heart quests.  At least, the non-combat parts of them.  I can kill monsters ANYWHERE.  I get a certain secretive glee out of feeding cows and bunnies and baby kittens.  I got REALLY excited when it had me answering basic math problems and solving riddles!

    ....

    ... the only part I don't understand is that the heart quest fairly clearly explains that's simply an option.  With only a couple EXTREMELY rare exceptions (I think 3 hearts out of 9 zones), you can simply kill things instead.  You don't HAVE to answer riddles, or pick up eggs.  You can kill things.

    Often, just by doing a dynamic event you can finish a heart, and it's basically an orgy of killing and destruction.

    I'm just happy whenever I can take a break and do me some Animal Crossing/Harvest Moon type stuff. :T

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member
    Originally posted by Meowhead

    I.... I actually really LIKE the heart quests.  At least, the non-combat parts of them.  I can kill monsters ANYWHERE.  I get a certain secretive glee out of feeding cows and bunnies and baby kittens.  I got REALLY excited when it had me answering basic math problems and solving riddles!

    ....

    ... the only part I don't understand is that the heart quest fairly clearly explains that's simply an option.  With only a couple EXTREMELY rare exceptions (I think 3 hearts out of 9 zones), you can simply kill things instead.  You don't HAVE to answer riddles, or pick up eggs.  You can kill things.

    Often, just by doing a dynamic event you can finish a heart, and it's basically an orgy of killing and destruction.

    I'm just happy whenever I can take a break and do me some Animal Crossing/Harvest Moon type stuff. :T

    I know right?

    Every MMO has mass slaughter of creatures, monsters, and characters.

    I like running around watering plants and feeding cows and stuff.

    Make the world feel more real - like my character is more of a person than a mindless killing machine.

  • terrantterrant Virginia Beach, VAPosts: 1,683Member
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

    I spent most of BWE3 in the Sylvari starting zone and only saw like 7 DEs and each one no more than 3 times.

    If thats the "new way to experience content" then the old way is just fine.

    Highlighted the key point for you.

    For better or for worse, the starter zones have a lot of Heart quests and not as many DE's.

    By level 14-15 the ratio improves greatly.

     

    I disagree.

     

    The first heart quest I did was the same one this poster mentions- the "turn into a wolf" one. 

     

    I ran into 3 DEs on the way to it. Mind you, I meandered like a mofo. I was like "'Ooh, lemme go get that PoI, it's just over that ridge", "Hey, is that a vista? lemme see what the deal with those is." "Wow there's a lot of people over there. Lemme see what's going on."

     

    The game almost rewards you for being ADDHD. If you make a beeline from heart to heart, you miss a LOT.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member

    Heart quests are just a tutorial/introduction to dynamic events. They were added to the game for people who didn't know what to do, for people who got stuck in the old ways of questing. Heart quests are not the main part of the questing system, dynamic events are.

  • lilHealalilHeala ZwollePosts: 512Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by MattVid

    I am assuming Heart Quests will become less and less as we progress. They have already stated the Orr (the final zone in the game) is going to have zero hearts. It is just hand holding crap anyways, I will be glad when they are gone ;)

    They're also necessary for that very reason: Too many people were completely lost without having their hands held until they learned a new way to experience content. Hearts were added for exactly that reason, and as people learn to explore and find content they'll have less and less hearts to guide them.

    Unfortunately they are like a double edged sword the way they are implemented. There's too many players not able to see the difference between DE's and hearts and getting into their old habit of just following directions. Those that persist will eventually learn but too many gamers have their judgement ready far too soon and are difficult to convince otherwise once they set an image and opinion in their mind.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    I'm just waiting for higher levels where are there are a lot fewer Hearts and a lot more DE's and this subset of players are going to come on the forums and QQ about "the mid/high level zones are empty there are no quests I have to grind mobs to level QQ!"

    And I shall simply laugh... and maybe facepalm.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,908Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lilHeala

    Unfortunately they are like a double edged sword the way they are implemented. There's too many players not able to see the difference between DE's and hearts and getting into their old habit of just following directions. Those that persist will eventually learn but too many gamers have their judgement ready far too soon and are difficult to convince otherwise once they set an image and opinion in their mind.

    In the end it's there in the game people are seeing it, people are experiencing it; so you're right that opinion will be formed from experiencing the game. I thought the reasoning of the heart implementation was odd from the get go, almost counter productive, why would you design something to break habits and go against the status quo, only to in turn implement that status quo anyway? Add to that spending months on end explaining your game as different to in turn make the introductory phase exactly like the rest.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  • MeowheadMeowhead New Carlisle, INPosts: 3,716Member
    Originally posted by Distopia

    In the end it's there in the game people are seeing it, people are experiencing it; so you're right that opinion will be formed from experiencing the game. I thought the reasoning of the heart implementation was odd from the get go, almost counter productive, why would you design something to break habits and go against the status quo, only to in turn implement that status quo anyway? Add to that spending months on end explaining your game as different to in turn make the introductory phase exactly like the rest.

     Well, there are things simultaneously side by side with the hearts that are different (And hearts themselves are different in various ways, I actually like them still), but hearts are far more familiar looking and have static locations, so people glom onto them.

    I'm not sure totally getting rid of hearts is the right solution either, they're a sort of 'at least there is SOMETHING to do, even if no dynamic events are going on' thing.

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lilHeala

    Unfortunately they are like a double edged sword the way they are implemented. There's too many players not able to see the difference between DE's and hearts and getting into their old habit of just following directions. Those that persist will eventually learn but too many gamers have their judgement ready far too soon and are difficult to convince otherwise once they set an image and opinion in their mind.

    In a way they are, but consider this:

    Most of the players complaining about the quests being the same as other MMOs, are of the same mindset as the players who were completely lost during internal testing, and didn't know what to do.

    Most of the players who understand the difference between a DE and a heart NPC, or the difference between GW2 events and traditional quests were either smart enough to figure things out on their own, or watched enough videos to educate themselves on the game. Thus, they aren't really effected in this way by hearts.

    So, the people who the hearts are designed for, instead of being completely lost and complaining the game has zero content, are not divided between:

    - those that 'get it' and appreciate the game

    - those that still don't get it, and think hearts are all the game has.

    So from this perspective, the hearts are clearly a step forward. They've managed to educate a large amount of people into understanding that the game actually has a ton of content.

    The tradeoff is that some of these people now think the game is only traditional quests, disguised as hearts. However, these people would've been no less ignorant without the heart NPCs. Only instead of assuming the game is the same old same old, they would be assuming that the game has absolutely zero content.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,908Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Meowhead
    Originally posted by Distopia

    In the end it's there in the game people are seeing it, people are experiencing it; so you're right that opinion will be formed from experiencing the game. I thought the reasoning of the heart implementation was odd from the get go, almost counter productive, why would you design something to break habits and go against the status quo, only to in turn implement that status quo anyway? Add to that spending months on end explaining your game as different to in turn make the introductory phase exactly like the rest.

     Well, there are things simultaneously side by side with the hearts that are different (And hearts themselves are different in various ways, I actually like them still), but hearts are far more familiar looking and have static locations, so people glom onto them.

    I'm not sure totally getting rid of hearts is the right solution either, they're a sort of 'at least there is SOMETHING to do, even if no dynamic events are going on' thing.

    You're probably right that getting rid of them isn't the answer, instead what I'd have suggested was toning down the level of guidance they offered, or at least the type of guidance.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

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