Let me begin with saying that I used to play singleplayer games, I played alot alot of them. I loved everything from the single one-shotting an enemy from behind with a sniperrifle to upgrade my very own character with a new sword, shield or whatever in an old school RPG. The good old days before internet becamed so huge as it is today.
I loved every minute. I remember saying; "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if one could team up with a friend in this game!? Or wait, even better, think if I could attack eachother in the game!?" Me and a friend discussed this matter when we took turns playing a singleplayer rpg on console. But that was only a dream though... I mean.... how on earth could that be possible?? Well, one can always dream right...?
Many years later I'm sitting infront of a computer were MMORPG's are a reality on the internet since years. It's not the old times anymore and my hobby and my dream have become ONE! WoW, what the heck happened?
Who cares what happened, timed passed by and technology made it possibly to play online and right now I'm having the time of my life dueling my opponents/friends, goin into instances, exploring the world, fighting over resorces like minerals or flowers or whatever there is out there! This is my hobby and I love it and there are other players outthere to fight! Hallellujah!
Now, every coin has two sides though:(
Killing computer controlled beasts just aint the same thing as it is to kill another player ingame and now this is were the problems starts....
It turned out that, as I was told, despite the game's server rulesets, wasn't allowed to kill another player because of:
*He/she was to low level
*He/she was occupied with a computer controlled beast/mob
*He/she was wrong class (it was considered unfair due to unbalance at that very time to attack X-class wile being Y-class)
*He/she was a pve:er... or a RP:er... (heck, I even RP myself once in a while, christ!!)
*He/she was unbuffed wich I happened to be at the moment...
*He/she was targeting something else so I got the first hit!
*He/she pulled out his/her main and I killed that character too and I was told that I wasn't worth living because I sucked anyway!?
*He/she pulled out his/her main and killed ME and I was told that I wasn't worth living because I sucked!
*I went into organized PvP and killed a player's toon and went: "Yay!!" But ofcourse I was told that the rating of that player was so low so I shouldn't be to happy about it...!
What??? Who the heck can I kill?
Basically, I must be among the very top players to be allowed to kill another character in an online videogame?? It's not about fun it's about something they call E-sport!? Oh no! I won't follow that rule....I WILL NOT FOLLOW THAT RULE!!
It's quite simple for me; some players outthere are better than me and some are worse than me. I don't track wich ones got the higher rating and such. This E-sport thingy just ain't for me. I play for fun and I kill for fun. I's a game.
Sports for me is football, soccer, hockey and things like that.
People like me get bashed for everything. We're either small stupid kids that shouldn't be allowed to play onlinegames or we are living in our mothers basements even at older age. We're fat, ugly and virgins. We're unemployed, we got no friends in real life and we're evil. We think lesser of other people and we're filled with hate towards the rest of the world.
We got bad hygiene and our house, sorry basement, looks like a warzone.
We almost never go outside. We only sit inside and play all day long and we're playing bad. Because we're not good in anything!
Well..., let me tell you something: That is all wrong! Now, I can't speak for all gankers outthere but for me that is all wrong! I'm nice and friendly person, I got no social problems etc. I take care of my friends and family and I treat people with respect. I'm not filled with alot of hate or anything like that. I'm pretty much "the average Joe" so to speak. Having a good life.
So why do I gank then??
To prove my skill?
No! This keeps coming up all the time for some reason I don't understand. I know that there's no skill involved when ganking a player with half healthbar left or a low level player or whatever, I know that!!
(Don't get me completely wrong though, I fight equally players aswell, same level and such. Sometimes I win, sometimes I loose)
To earn gold?
No! You don't get rich ingame by ganking another player in my game. I know that!!
To gear up my character?
No! I won't gear up my toon in my game by ganking another player out in the world, I know that!!
So why then?? Well, let me give you one example. (There are many)
I camed across this player in a leveling zone a while ago. He was some level under me I think and was playing a class that I could usually beat. I took him out and moved along, continuing doing my quests. After a while I saw him again and guess what...yes!
About one hour later, perhaps more, we were about 10-15 players joined up in a raid fleeing for our lives. The enemy were atleast 25-30 and I was one of their main targets. They finally got me, stood around my corpse dancing and laughing.
One of them seemed to be extra happy, jumping around and did all kind of funny emotes. It was that player that I had ganked before. He got his revenge allright!
Now, for more than an hour I didn't complete one single quest. I didn't earn one single gold. I didn't equip one piece of new gear. I didn't earn one small amount of XP for my toon... or maybe a small amount of XP for discovering a new area of the zone when fleeing for my life;)
But hey... I HAD SO MUCH FUN!!
The game I'm playing makes it easy. I has different kind of serverrulesets that allows players to be able to attack other players while playing the game. There are also servers that makes your toon unattackable by other players while questing, exploring and roleplaying etc. It's called pvp and pve servers. (it got these rp and rppvp aswell) Simple is that and this is one of many things about this game that has made it so successful I believe. Everyone can participate and have fun.
You want to be left alone while playing, there are servers for you!
You want the thrill and the excitement of beeing exposed to enemy players while beeing out in the world, there are servers for you aswell.
Still, there are these people who keep fighting over this issue called ganking. They want to enforce their favorite serverrulesets into all servers! Everyone must be playing on their conditions and if you think otherwise the name calling begins. The bashings... The harrasments... The hate...
Take care of eachother and have fun while playing folks and remember, it's just a game.
Sorry for grammar and spelling, ain't native here.
Piece out,
Clawzon
That stuff is weak, that is why people don't like gankers. If the game allows it then the gme allows it, I take umbrage with gankers that boast about skill, doesn't take any skill to do the things I highlighted in your post.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
What is the feeling towards someone who ganked out of boredom because there were no faction raids going on, but generally never killed their targets more than once? Oh, and the ganking was at people who were flagged PVP and just standing around in plain sight?
Players overwhelmingly prefer pure competition. That's reality, and pure competition is the underlying core of what attracts so many people to that type of competition. No matter what random tangents and meaningless "motto" criticisms you make, it doesn't change that reality.
Feel free to fixate on the rest of the irrelevant aspects all you want.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
"Good fight" and "True pvp", yep they are not the same now are they. I don't recall talking about a "good fight" I recall pointing out there was no one "true pvp".
By my definition? No by my definition there is no one "true pvp".
I didn't use the term "true PvP", you did. And I wasn't trying to define one right way to PvP. I was saying ganking is not PvP - just like beating up an armless man is not boxing.
It is Player versus Player and therefore, per definition, PvP.
I pulled another poster up on the term "true pvp", you then jumped on that post. At no point did I initially mention "good", it tends to be such a subjective word don't you think....
Ganking someone is pvp, it is just not competitive pvp in that specific instance. It is player on player, that is it massively one sided does not actually change that at all. The weaker player has not suddenly changed into a zebra, it is not PvZ, it is not PvE, it is PvP.
You can dislike it as much as you like, you can cite popularity as much as you like, I would and have already said more players prefer what is perceived to be"fairer" (or at least more accessible) pvp. But to say it is not pvp is simply ludicrous.
You are merely nitpicking.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Players overwhelmingly prefer pure competition. That's reality, and pure competition is the underlying core of what attracts so many people to that type of competition. No matter what random tangents and meaningless "motto" criticisms you make, it doesn't change that reality.
Feel free to fixate on the rest of the irrelevant aspects all you want.
The "irrelevant aspects" being the things I pulled you up on initially, whilst you wander off on a tangent, shifting from "true" to "pure" to god knows what next? Aye okay then, pretty clear we are done here. At least we can look back on the mottos.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Gankers are like teenagers who go into a middle school play ground, beat up all the 11 year olds, and then pat themselves on the back for it.
Some of us just dont care. We dont care about getting hunted down or hunting others down, etc. I'm glad its fun for you, but when your fun impedes on my fun, thats where the problem is.
Traditionally games were smart and had seperate PVP servers where people like you could go and play in your style, while the people who dont care about that played on the PVE servers. Game companies seem to have lost the ability to see the merit of this system and instead just create "areas" where there are no rules, so to speak.
Which method is better? IMO the prior. That way people know ahead of time if they enjoy that style of play they can go on that server and have it all the time anywhere, anytime. And then the people who PVE can know they will never have to worry about dealing with some tard.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Gankers are like teenagers who go into a middle school play ground, beat up all the 11 year olds, and then pat themselves on the back for it.
Some of us just dont care. We dont care about getting hunted down or hunting others down, etc. I'm glad its fun for you, but when your fun impedes on my fun, thats where the problem is.
Traditionally games were smart and had seperate PVP servers where people like you could go and play in your style, while the people who dont care about that played on the PVE servers. Game companies seem to have lost the ability to see the merit of this system and instead just create "areas" where there are no rules, so to speak.
Which method is better? IMO the prior. That way people know ahead of time if they enjoy that style of play they can go on that server and have it all the time anywhere, anytime. And then the people who PVE can know they will never have to worry about dealing with some tard.
The important difference being that in your teenager analogy, I very much doubt the 11 year olds gave their consent to participate in the "activity". Inside MMORPGs, people give their consent by accepting a set of rules. Don't blame the player, blame the game, if anything.
Gankers are like teenagers who go into a middle school play ground, beat up all the 11 year olds, and then pat themselves on the back for it.
Some of us just dont care. We dont care about getting hunted down or hunting others down, etc. I'm glad its fun for you, but when your fun impedes on my fun, thats where the problem is.
Traditionally games were smart and had seperate PVP servers where people like you could go and play in your style, while the people who dont care about that played on the PVE servers. Game companies seem to have lost the ability to see the merit of this system and instead just create "areas" where there are no rules, so to speak.
Which method is better? IMO the prior. That way people know ahead of time if they enjoy that style of play they can go on that server and have it all the time anywhere, anytime. And then the people who PVE can know they will never have to worry about dealing with some tard.
At the risk of keeping an extraordinarily poor analogy alive, I have to ask: what's an 11 year old doing playing in a zone that's designated as an area where assault and murder are legal?
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Gankers are like teenagers who go into a middle school play ground, beat up all the 11 year olds, and then pat themselves on the back for it.
Some of us just dont care. We dont care about getting hunted down or hunting others down, etc. I'm glad its fun for you, but when your fun impedes on my fun, thats where the problem is.
Traditionally games were smart and had seperate PVP servers where people like you could go and play in your style, while the people who dont care about that played on the PVE servers. Game companies seem to have lost the ability to see the merit of this system and instead just create "areas" where there are no rules, so to speak.
Which method is better? IMO the prior. That way people know ahead of time if they enjoy that style of play they can go on that server and have it all the time anywhere, anytime. And then the people who PVE can know they will never have to worry about dealing with some tard.
At the risk of keeping an extraordinarily poor analogy alive, I have to ask: what's an 11 year old doing playing in a zone that's designated as an area where assault and murder are legal?
I guess they never probably covered the purpose of paragraphs and sentences in your education.
The "beating up 11 year olds" analogys purpose was to detail the mental state / attitude of a "ganker"
The subsequent paragraphs were detailing the difference between old mmo's method of seperating PVPers from PVEers and the new method, and which method i felt was superior. It was only *indirectly* related to the topic of gankers.
Is that sufficient for an explanation or should i go into more detail?
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
At least better then your im sure ty for noticing. You have to play on a pvp server with attitude. You have to know that yes in your mind you are better then every one else on this server. Even though you are not. Why? good question because if you did not you will be destroyed. You will not survive. Tell me did you know not only the mechanics of your toon? What about all other toons? I did at that particlar time. As a rouge I knew wich poisons to use and which hands to equip with for daggers vs swords etc I personally preferred daggers for speed. Even which ones DPS wise was better off hand. You needed to know which spells interrupts better which ones stunned better and not just in general but against all classes. You needed to know how close can you get to a toon and not accedently be detected while in stealth. Hey yes it is just a game but I played to win.
Where did the OP go? He posted his 900 word essay to begin the discussion and then dissappeard...weird...
I didn't go away forever, just went playing a while and guess what?? I got ganked;)
Anyway, I thought that people could write some answers aswell before joining in again and I read them all up til your comment. I will continue to read the rest of the comments later on.
I expected alot of negativities ofcourse and some of them are valid points, I admit that. However, I do think that some people just didn't took their time to read the full post but still replied. Worst of them was when I more or less was beeing compared to a person who abuse children in real life. That was very insulting! Comparing a killing in an online videogame with childabuse in real life??
Let me make one thing very clear here. I would never harm any human in real life, I don't bully others and most holy of them all that should NEVER EVER BE HARMED ARE THE KIDS! SORRY CAPS!
All my respect to those who come with valid points, the one above is not!
I don't hate gankers. I have contempt for people who bother to utterly destroy people who have no chance to fight back especially when doing so really has no effect other than to cause those people pain and frustration.
People who do this are pieces of crap. I don't hate them. Just like I don't bother hating the pile of dog crap I stepped in. Because that is all they are.
Where did the OP go? He posted his 900 word essay to begin the discussion and then dissappeard...weird...
I didn't go away forever, just went playing a while and guess what?? I got ganked;)
Anyway, I thought that people could write some answers aswell before joining in again and I read them all up til your comment. I will continue to read the rest of the comments later on.
I expected alot of negativities ofcourse and some of them are valid points, I admit that. However, I do think that some people just didn't took their time to read the full post but still replied. Worst of them was when I more or less was beeing compared to a person who abuse children in real life. That was very insulting! Comparing a killing in an online videogame with childabuse in real life??
Let me make one thing very clear here. I would never harm any human in real life, I don't bully others and most holy of them all that should NEVER EVER BE HARMED ARE THE KIDS! SORRY CAPS!
All my respect to those who come with valid points, the one above is not!
I don't think that is what they were saying. They were using it as an analygy.
A level 85 ganking a level 20 is like a grown man fighting a small child. The child has zero chance of winning. Instead of grown man and child you could substitute Lion vs a Rabbit. Pretty sure the rabbit wouldn't win either.
At the risk of keeping an extraordinarily poor analogy alive, I have to ask: what's an 11 year old doing playing in a zone that's designated as an area where assault and murder are legal?
I guess they never probably covered the purpose of paragraphs and sentences in your education.
The "beating up 11 year olds" analogys purpose was to detail the mental state / attitude of a "ganker"
The subsequent paragraphs were detailing the difference between old mmo's method of seperating PVPers from PVEers and the new method, and which method i felt was superior. It was only *indirectly* related to the topic of gankers.
Is that sufficient for an explanation or should i go into more detail?
That's a completely unnecessary personal attack.
Your analogy was meant to detail the ganker's mental state, but it only works if the victims are like 11-year-olds, losing a video game fight is like being physically beaten, and the battlefield is like a middle school playground. Jury's out on the first two points, but the last one is an absurdity.
It is irrelevant whether the victim was vulnerable to attack because his character was in a PvP area, on a PvP server, or in a totally PvP game. In any case, the player is knowingly choosing to engage in a method of play where other players—including those he cannot defeat—can attack him, even though another safe method of play is available. The nuances of how the PvP could be seperated from the PvE mean nothing; the fact that they are seperated (and the victim willingly went to the side "where there are no rules") means that the analogy does not work.
If you don't want to get ganked you can play on a blue server, it is really that simple, although if you get that upset by your virtual avatar dying you probably should consider a new hobby.
On DAOC mordred I would kill any player, anywhere,worth realm points, if they weren't worth, or were even grey con I might kill them if I didn't like their guild(shadowclan, torcan, Tarsis shriners for those of you that were there:) Its part of the mechanics.
LOL great thread.. I didn't read it all but looks like a bunch of people need tissues haha
btw I love ganking its just great, and looting if its possible.. thats the best. I miss old UO so bad...
I agree, it is a good thread. I wonder if the people who are ok with ganking are also the ones who enjoy getting ganked while they are trying to level their character. Because being corpse camped is fun! Why level when you can watch xxsepherothxxx dance on your bloody corpse?
LOL great thread.. I didn't read it all but looks like a bunch of people need tissues haha
btw I love ganking its just great, and looting if its possible.. thats the best. I miss old UO so bad...
I agree, it is a good thread. I wonder if the people who are ok with ganking are also the ones who enjoy getting ganked while they are trying to level their character. Because being corpse camped is fun! Why level when you can watch xxsepherothxxx dance on your bloody corpse?
That's why I only gank once and move on when I was still playing WoW. Granted I was bored because of waiting for queues.
LOL great thread.. I didn't read it all but looks like a bunch of people need tissues haha
btw I love ganking its just great, and looting if its possible.. thats the best. I miss old UO so bad...
I agree, it is a good thread. I wonder if the people who are ok with ganking are also the ones who enjoy getting ganked while they are trying to level their character. Because being corpse camped is fun! Why level when you can watch xxsepherothxxx dance on your bloody corpse?
That's why I only gank once and move on when I was still playing WoW. Granted I was bored because of waiting for queues.
I think I could live/die with that.
I think I was, and maybe others too, were thinking of griefers ranther than being ganked. I agree that if you play on a PvP server, you have chosen to put yourself at risk. The downside, and the part that I think RUINS the experience are the griefers who make it their life's calling to destroy other's gaming.
So I'm with you, it's ok to gank someone and move on...but the utter destruction of someone's gaming until they log out is just...lame.
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That stuff is weak, that is why people don't like gankers. If the game allows it then the gme allows it, I take umbrage with gankers that boast about skill, doesn't take any skill to do the things I highlighted in your post.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
What is the feeling towards someone who ganked out of boredom because there were no faction raids going on, but generally never killed their targets more than once? Oh, and the ganking was at people who were flagged PVP and just standing around in plain sight?
Players overwhelmingly prefer pure competition. That's reality, and pure competition is the underlying core of what attracts so many people to that type of competition. No matter what random tangents and meaningless "motto" criticisms you make, it doesn't change that reality.
Feel free to fixate on the rest of the irrelevant aspects all you want.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
No reason to hate you. I dont put myself in a position where i have to associate with you
It is Player versus Player and therefore, per definition, PvP.
You are merely nitpicking.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
The "irrelevant aspects" being the things I pulled you up on initially, whilst you wander off on a tangent, shifting from "true" to "pure" to god knows what next? Aye okay then, pretty clear we are done here. At least we can look back on the mottos.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Wait wut. You say it's not pvp, I point out it actually is. That's nitpicking now?
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Gankers are like teenagers who go into a middle school play ground, beat up all the 11 year olds, and then pat themselves on the back for it.
Some of us just dont care. We dont care about getting hunted down or hunting others down, etc. I'm glad its fun for you, but when your fun impedes on my fun, thats where the problem is.
Traditionally games were smart and had seperate PVP servers where people like you could go and play in your style, while the people who dont care about that played on the PVE servers. Game companies seem to have lost the ability to see the merit of this system and instead just create "areas" where there are no rules, so to speak.
Which method is better? IMO the prior. That way people know ahead of time if they enjoy that style of play they can go on that server and have it all the time anywhere, anytime. And then the people who PVE can know they will never have to worry about dealing with some tard.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
The important difference being that in your teenager analogy, I very much doubt the 11 year olds gave their consent to participate in the "activity". Inside MMORPGs, people give their consent by accepting a set of rules. Don't blame the player, blame the game, if anything.
At the risk of keeping an extraordinarily poor analogy alive, I have to ask: what's an 11 year old doing playing in a zone that's designated as an area where assault and murder are legal?
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It is precisely through empathy that the importance of "consent" can be felt.
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I guess they never probably covered the purpose of paragraphs and sentences in your education.
The "beating up 11 year olds" analogys purpose was to detail the mental state / attitude of a "ganker"
The subsequent paragraphs were detailing the difference between old mmo's method of seperating PVPers from PVEers and the new method, and which method i felt was superior. It was only *indirectly* related to the topic of gankers.
Is that sufficient for an explanation or should i go into more detail?
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
At least better then your im sure ty for noticing. You have to play on a pvp server with attitude. You have to know that yes in your mind you are better then every one else on this server. Even though you are not. Why? good question because if you did not you will be destroyed. You will not survive. Tell me did you know not only the mechanics of your toon? What about all other toons? I did at that particlar time. As a rouge I knew wich poisons to use and which hands to equip with for daggers vs swords etc I personally preferred daggers for speed. Even which ones DPS wise was better off hand. You needed to know which spells interrupts better which ones stunned better and not just in general but against all classes. You needed to know how close can you get to a toon and not accedently be detected while in stealth. Hey yes it is just a game but I played to win.
I didn't go away forever, just went playing a while and guess what?? I got ganked;)
Anyway, I thought that people could write some answers aswell before joining in again and I read them all up til your comment. I will continue to read the rest of the comments later on.
I expected alot of negativities ofcourse and some of them are valid points, I admit that. However, I do think that some people just didn't took their time to read the full post but still replied. Worst of them was when I more or less was beeing compared to a person who abuse children in real life. That was very insulting! Comparing a killing in an online videogame with childabuse in real life??
Let me make one thing very clear here. I would never harm any human in real life, I don't bully others and most holy of them all that should NEVER EVER BE HARMED ARE THE KIDS! SORRY CAPS!
All my respect to those who come with valid points, the one above is not!
I don't hate gankers. I have contempt for people who bother to utterly destroy people who have no chance to fight back especially when doing so really has no effect other than to cause those people pain and frustration.
People who do this are pieces of crap. I don't hate them. Just like I don't bother hating the pile of dog crap I stepped in. Because that is all they are.
I don't think that is what they were saying. They were using it as an analygy.
A level 85 ganking a level 20 is like a grown man fighting a small child. The child has zero chance of winning. Instead of grown man and child you could substitute Lion vs a Rabbit. Pretty sure the rabbit wouldn't win either.
That's a completely unnecessary personal attack.
Your analogy was meant to detail the ganker's mental state, but it only works if the victims are like 11-year-olds, losing a video game fight is like being physically beaten, and the battlefield is like a middle school playground. Jury's out on the first two points, but the last one is an absurdity.
It is irrelevant whether the victim was vulnerable to attack because his character was in a PvP area, on a PvP server, or in a totally PvP game. In any case, the player is knowingly choosing to engage in a method of play where other players—including those he cannot defeat—can attack him, even though another safe method of play is available. The nuances of how the PvP could be seperated from the PvE mean nothing; the fact that they are seperated (and the victim willingly went to the side "where there are no rules") means that the analogy does not work.
Much butt hurt, in this thread i sense.
If you don't want to get ganked you can play on a blue server, it is really that simple, although if you get that upset by your virtual avatar dying you probably should consider a new hobby.
On DAOC mordred I would kill any player, anywhere,worth realm points, if they weren't worth, or were even grey con I might kill them if I didn't like their guild(shadowclan, torcan, Tarsis shriners for those of you that were there:) Its part of the mechanics.
LOL great thread.. I didn't read it all but looks like a bunch of people need tissues haha
btw I love ganking its just great, and looting if its possible.. thats the best. I miss old UO so bad...
I agree, it is a good thread. I wonder if the people who are ok with ganking are also the ones who enjoy getting ganked while they are trying to level their character. Because being corpse camped is fun! Why level when you can watch xxsepherothxxx dance on your bloody corpse?
That's why I only gank once and move on when I was still playing WoW. Granted I was bored because of waiting for queues.
I think I could live/die with that.
I think I was, and maybe others too, were thinking of griefers ranther than being ganked. I agree that if you play on a PvP server, you have chosen to put yourself at risk. The downside, and the part that I think RUINS the experience are the griefers who make it their life's calling to destroy other's gaming.
So I'm with you, it's ok to gank someone and move on...but the utter destruction of someone's gaming until they log out is just...lame.