Here's the thing, there's a big difference between hype and positive word of mouth. One is unsubstantiated, the other is people letting others know of something they enjoyed, and wanting others to enjoy it as well.
To me, this is far more the second one than the first.
If we didn't have these open beta weekends, no NDA and a lack of info and people were still this 'hyped' then yeah, you can worry. But when so many are obviously enjoying what they've experienced, you can feel good knowing that there's at least something to it - even if you don't end up enjoying it. Just my view on it thought.
this is the big one.. most people talking up this game have actually played the game for many many hours. Which is very differn't than games like swtor that people played for a couple hours and after people finaly played swtor during that stress weekend i saw many many more complaints than glowing threads.
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I was told there are certian people who detest popular things. They see themselves as "special" and only like things aimed specifically at them and other "special" people like them.
To me this game has a totally different feel and the game design not being the biggest deal in why I say wait. I don't feel like Anet is the same Anet I recall with GW1. Probably has something to do with NC Soft. To me there are plenty of signs that say wait for those that like to be more certain on their purchases.
They are still making sizable changes to game play, performance, limits. Not quite the status the game was supposed to be released under. It will not have had any (as in zero) time really testing final balance numbers, limit numbers or performance feedback.
IMO the game should be very soon be going into a beta state lasting for 2-3 weeks prior to release, so they can get constant feedback on their next round of changes. I forsee that not happening and then the game going into that mode at the time of release.
Have you even played the game for more than 10 minutes? It doesn't sound like it to me.
If you played the beta, you would know that this past weekend the two new races starting areas were touched by players outside the QA/closed testers for the first time ever. It alone was more polished than 95% of MMO's I have ever played. And it has zero beta testing.
They know what they are doing and their QA is obviously better than pretty much any company out there. I am sure there will some issues here and there, but they are few and far between. Balance issues can and will be addressed quickly, especially with how much better their server technology is than any MMO ever released except GW1. The only other game with server tech this good is Firefall. The ability to release patches and test things without bringing the live servers down at all, and then just tell people "new patch is ready, restart your clients" will allow them to update and make TONS of iterative changes without bothering anyone.
And many times, these patches are not even "required". So you can keep playing, and next time you logout and back in, you will get the new patch. The only time you really need to make it required is to fix exploits or game breaking issues. Plus, the fact that the game is more polished than any game probably ever released in the history of MMO's is even more impressive. I had 1 or 2 issues in the game, which were very minor and could have been due to lag/server issues right at the start of the event.
OP, it's a pity you've missed the chance to see for yourself during this beta. They handed out a lot of keys, and you said yourself you don't know what kind of game GW2 is.
Personal experience>>>opinions of people on internet.
Also, avoiding something because of hype is as silly as riding straight into something because of hype.
Just curious to see how many others aren't trying GW2 because of it being so overhyped??..... I don't know if it is really that good (doubt it), the flavor of the month MMO, or jsut a handful of fantaics for the game?....Last 2 games I saw hyped this much were AoC and WAR and neither of them was very good.
I was avoiding, or at least not really paying attention partly due to the hype. Having seen numerous games hyped and ending up to not be my cup of tea (SWTOR most recently), I figured I'd take a pass on this one. That said, I had the chance to play in the beta weekend so what harm was there in playing? End result, I thought the game was really fun. I got to wander in with no expectations or idea about game features (aside from very casual forum browsing). I got to learn about the game as I played and, while I probably won't be getting this game on day one, I'll likely get it in a few months as a result of the time I spent over the weekend.
Moral of the story; make up your own mind and ignore the hype/hate..so long as it doesn't cost you anything more then a little time I mean
of course, this whole things got me thinking; what am I missing with TSW since i haven't really paid much attention to that one? :P
-mklinic
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No, I am avoiding it because in the next month or 2 I have to buy 3 copies of Mists Of Pandaria for me and my family. Not to mention I'd like some spare chump change for planetside 2 thats if SOE do not fuC$ the Euros with probiensat accounts but thats another story.
I do not understand this logic. I understand being sceptical of excessive hype. But not buying because of it??
Hype is a measure of how much people are excited about what they know about a game. It may be that what they know is wrong but thats really beside the point. Hype doesn't measure or give any indication of that. Set Theory and Venn diagram time:
The set of games where the game meets the expectations of hype and the set of games where the game doesn't not meet the expectations of hype BOTH fall within the set of games that are hyped.
The worlds most perfect expectation meeting game that takes the best from sandbox games and mixes it with the best from themepark games and garuntees that we will be playing it for 10 years for free without a cash shop, will in fact be a heavily hyped game.
It's like you only like games that everyone else hates or doesn't like.
I am + my friend is, but not really because of the hype... The ones who are the most annoying are fanboys. Everything they touch turns into shit and they've done it to GW2.
Seriously speaking, the problem is, 95% of forum users seem like liars, because they don't have any neutrality left. They turn every negative aspect into positive aspect. How? Even I don't know.. they just have that ability... and because they do it all the time, it's hard to trust them.
So what's the problem then? The problem is that since we can't trust the majority of forum users, we can't get any real info about the game. Since they constantly turn negativism into positivism, we have to think the other way around... So, we're forced to think that 95% of the forum users think that GW2 is pure shit. Sounds crazy? I know it does, but that's just the way it is.
I find that avoiding a game because of hype doesn't make any sense. If you are interested in the game, it doesn't matter what the hype may be. On the other hand, if you only buy a game because of the hype, then I would say that is a mistake. Although, if a game does have a lot of hype, I may watch it more closely to see what is going on.
I purchased this game because I am indeed a fan of A-net thus far and the first Guild Wars. I appreciate what A-net is trying to accomplish with making a full fledged MMO, (Guild Wars to me wasn't an MMO, but a lobby game geared towards pvp).
I consider myself someone who likes video games so I will play almost anything on any platform whether it be for PC, past consoles or the current Xbox and Playstation consoles. With that said, I have wasted money on a plethora of video games that just didn't do it for me in the long run. Maybe it will happen here, maybe it won't, but from the little time I spent in the beta events it didn't seem like a waste of my cash. For me though as I can only speak for myself.
I can say that the hype for this game seems to be a little different as it's not coming from some aggressive high energy PR machine, but from the people who are playing and testing it. In recent memory SWTOR comes to mind as an example, the testers it seemed to me,(speaking from my observations which indeed could be wrong)overall had nothing but bad things to say about it when the star wars and or Bioware fanbois, and the media had nothing but love for most aspects of it. I mean even Morgan on X-play was praising this thing. Granted, deep down I wanted a great Star Wars universe to play in, it just didn't do it for me.
Let's go ahead and dispell the myth that "Hype" is all false information. It's not. Hype is just generated excitement, whether it's from marketing, spin, or player testimonials; it's all hype. So, just because you've played the game and enjoyed it, it doesn't magically transform everything you say into pure gospel un-besmirched by the moniker of 'Hype'. (Note: I'm not saying anybody is lying about in game experience or how fun the game is.)
That out of the way... No, I don't think I would avoid GW2 because it's overhyped. I would avoid the game if it weren't fun for me individually, and for no other reason.
Just curious to see how many others aren't trying GW2 because of it being so overhyped??..... I don't know if it is really that good (doubt it), the flavor of the month MMO, or jsut a handful of fantaics for the game?....Last 2 games I saw hyped this much were AoC and WAR and neither of them was very good.
The hype in any new MMO is just a 1 month deal after release, but i dont know whats gonna happen with gw2 the fanboys in this case could kill the game, mostly because thay cant and dont want to see all the real problems that the game have, and a MMO after release is all about player feedback.
Not playing a game just because of hype is just as silly as playing a game just because of the hype. Your acting like a sheep either way. Make a decision based on the actual game.
The hype usually intruiges me but it's the fanboys which really put me off this game. Some of the defending I seen or stabs at other games had me rolling my eyes. I remember one guy even either posted a picture or at least a link to a picture of comparisons between one ArenaNet writer and a Bioware writer. That picture came to mind on a good few times in the game and overall think the actual ingame dialogue and story is the weakest part of GW2 especially after playing SWTOR.
Still though, after finally playing in a beta weekend I can almost understand the fanboys and will go as far as to say I found myself having to refrain a few times from defending the game from the haters.. this is something I rarely ever do.
Not playing a game you independently find interesting or think might be fun because there are a bunch of folks out there reveling in the hype is not terribly rational IMO, unless you think you'll get more happiness out of feeling like you're sticking it to them by not playing than you would playing the game yourself.
I will be playing the game because I like it, not because I care that anybody here thinks it will change the way people game forever or all the other crap that gets thrown around. Half the time I read a post heaping some ridiculous praise on the game or railing against somebody with a criticism and I think "This is the worst MMO community I've ever been around; I can't believe I'm a part of it."
For me, I know why I like a game, and I make my purchasing decisions on the likelihood I think I will enjoy it based on the information I have. If after some deliberation I determine it won't be for me I might be wrong, but it's just a game. It's not like picking the wrong college or marrying the wrong woman.
TL;DR Trying to make a point to a bunch of strangers by not playing a game is pretty over the top IMO.
GW2 is a solid game just like GW1, but its fanbois, OH MY GOD they are so annoying and obnoxious
Not as bad as swtors were during it's release. Give it a few months until the shiny wears off and I'm sure they'll be annoying fanboys in the next overhyped themepark.
GW2 is a solid game just like GW1, but its fanbois, OH MY GOD they are so annoying and obnoxious
Not as bad as swtors were during it's release. Give it a few months until the shiny wears off and I'm sure they'll be annoying fanboys in the next overhyped themepark.
I think the GW2 fanboys are worse actually. The only difference is GW2 fanboys have more ground to stand on imho.
Just curious to see how many others aren't trying GW2 because of it being so overhyped??..... I don't know if it is really that good (doubt it), the flavor of the month MMO, or jsut a handful of fantaics for the game?....Last 2 games I saw hyped this much were AoC and WAR and neither of them was very good.
The hype in any new MMO is just a 1 month deal after release, but i dont know whats gonna happen with gw2 the fanboys in this case could kill the game, mostly because thay cant and dont want to see all the real problems that the game have, and a MMO after release is all about player feedback.
Fanboy, Hype,Hater are pointless labels for generalisations that people use to shore up arguments.
Simple truth is each individual will play the game and will either enjoy it or they will not. Everyone will get bored of the game at different points in the lifetime of the game. A well designed game will keep more playing for longer.
Personally I prefer to play with people who are excited and even over enthusiastic about a game than people who are cynical or even just pesimistic. Too many moaners and miserable players about who have forgot how to have simple fun for the sake of it - or worse hate to see others have fun in a game that doesnt suit their own jaded vision of how gaming used/should be.
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You CAN resist! Even with the Hype broadcasts from alien-controlled cell phone towers.
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this is the big one.. most people talking up this game have actually played the game for many many hours. Which is very differn't than games like swtor that people played for a couple hours and after people finaly played swtor during that stress weekend i saw many many more complaints than glowing threads.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
I was told there are certian people who detest popular things. They see themselves as "special" and only like things aimed specifically at them and other "special" people like them.
Don't worry, those freaks won't be playing GW2.
Have you even played the game for more than 10 minutes? It doesn't sound like it to me.
If you played the beta, you would know that this past weekend the two new races starting areas were touched by players outside the QA/closed testers for the first time ever. It alone was more polished than 95% of MMO's I have ever played. And it has zero beta testing.
They know what they are doing and their QA is obviously better than pretty much any company out there. I am sure there will some issues here and there, but they are few and far between. Balance issues can and will be addressed quickly, especially with how much better their server technology is than any MMO ever released except GW1. The only other game with server tech this good is Firefall. The ability to release patches and test things without bringing the live servers down at all, and then just tell people "new patch is ready, restart your clients" will allow them to update and make TONS of iterative changes without bothering anyone.
And many times, these patches are not even "required". So you can keep playing, and next time you logout and back in, you will get the new patch. The only time you really need to make it required is to fix exploits or game breaking issues. Plus, the fact that the game is more polished than any game probably ever released in the history of MMO's is even more impressive. I had 1 or 2 issues in the game, which were very minor and could have been due to lag/server issues right at the start of the event.
I was avoiding, or at least not really paying attention partly due to the hype. Having seen numerous games hyped and ending up to not be my cup of tea (SWTOR most recently), I figured I'd take a pass on this one. That said, I had the chance to play in the beta weekend so what harm was there in playing? End result, I thought the game was really fun. I got to wander in with no expectations or idea about game features (aside from very casual forum browsing). I got to learn about the game as I played and, while I probably won't be getting this game on day one, I'll likely get it in a few months as a result of the time I spent over the weekend.
Moral of the story; make up your own mind and ignore the hype/hate..so long as it doesn't cost you anything more then a little time I mean
of course, this whole things got me thinking; what am I missing with TSW since i haven't really paid much attention to that one? :P
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
No, I am avoiding it because in the next month or 2 I have to buy 3 copies of Mists Of Pandaria for me and my family. Not to mention I'd like some spare chump change for planetside 2 thats if SOE do not fuC$ the Euros with probiensat accounts but thats another story.
I do not understand this logic. I understand being sceptical of excessive hype. But not buying because of it??
Hype is a measure of how much people are excited about what they know about a game. It may be that what they know is wrong but thats really beside the point. Hype doesn't measure or give any indication of that. Set Theory and Venn diagram time:
The set of games where the game meets the expectations of hype and the set of games where the game doesn't not meet the expectations of hype BOTH fall within the set of games that are hyped.
The worlds most perfect expectation meeting game that takes the best from sandbox games and mixes it with the best from themepark games and garuntees that we will be playing it for 10 years for free without a cash shop, will in fact be a heavily hyped game.
It's like you only like games that everyone else hates or doesn't like.
I am + my friend is, but not really because of the hype... The ones who are the most annoying are fanboys. Everything they touch turns into shit and they've done it to GW2.
Seriously speaking, the problem is, 95% of forum users seem like liars, because they don't have any neutrality left. They turn every negative aspect into positive aspect. How? Even I don't know.. they just have that ability... and because they do it all the time, it's hard to trust them.
So what's the problem then? The problem is that since we can't trust the majority of forum users, we can't get any real info about the game. Since they constantly turn negativism into positivism, we have to think the other way around... So, we're forced to think that 95% of the forum users think that GW2 is pure shit. Sounds crazy? I know it does, but that's just the way it is.
I find that avoiding a game because of hype doesn't make any sense. If you are interested in the game, it doesn't matter what the hype may be. On the other hand, if you only buy a game because of the hype, then I would say that is a mistake. Although, if a game does have a lot of hype, I may watch it more closely to see what is going on.
I self identify as a monkey.
Nope.
I purchased this game because I am indeed a fan of A-net thus far and the first Guild Wars. I appreciate what A-net is trying to accomplish with making a full fledged MMO, (Guild Wars to me wasn't an MMO, but a lobby game geared towards pvp).
I consider myself someone who likes video games so I will play almost anything on any platform whether it be for PC, past consoles or the current Xbox and Playstation consoles. With that said, I have wasted money on a plethora of video games that just didn't do it for me in the long run. Maybe it will happen here, maybe it won't, but from the little time I spent in the beta events it didn't seem like a waste of my cash. For me though as I can only speak for myself.
I can say that the hype for this game seems to be a little different as it's not coming from some aggressive high energy PR machine, but from the people who are playing and testing it. In recent memory SWTOR comes to mind as an example, the testers it seemed to me,(speaking from my observations which indeed could be wrong)overall had nothing but bad things to say about it when the star wars and or Bioware fanbois, and the media had nothing but love for most aspects of it. I mean even Morgan on X-play was praising this thing. Granted, deep down I wanted a great Star Wars universe to play in, it just didn't do it for me.
Not buying cause tired of fantasy mmo with dragons, elfs and so on.
GW2 looks like a good game, wish it came out couple years earlier.
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Let's go ahead and dispell the myth that "Hype" is all false information. It's not. Hype is just generated excitement, whether it's from marketing, spin, or player testimonials; it's all hype. So, just because you've played the game and enjoyed it, it doesn't magically transform everything you say into pure gospel un-besmirched by the moniker of 'Hype'. (Note: I'm not saying anybody is lying about in game experience or how fun the game is.)
That out of the way... No, I don't think I would avoid GW2 because it's overhyped. I would avoid the game if it weren't fun for me individually, and for no other reason.
The hype in any new MMO is just a 1 month deal after release, but i dont know whats gonna happen with gw2 the fanboys in this case could kill the game, mostly because thay cant and dont want to see all the real problems that the game have, and a MMO after release is all about player feedback.
GW2 is a solid game just like GW1, but its fanbois, OH MY GOD they are so annoying and obnoxious
Better stay away then. Don't want those fanbois to get you. I heard that many of them will be playing GW2.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
What a rebel!
Seriously that is just a silly reason to avoid a product. You should perhaps make an informed decision for yourself instead?
But you know, its cool to hate cool things. So carry on you big rebel you.
The hype usually intruiges me but it's the fanboys which really put me off this game. Some of the defending I seen or stabs at other games had me rolling my eyes. I remember one guy even either posted a picture or at least a link to a picture of comparisons between one ArenaNet writer and a Bioware writer. That picture came to mind on a good few times in the game and overall think the actual ingame dialogue and story is the weakest part of GW2 especially after playing SWTOR.
Still though, after finally playing in a beta weekend I can almost understand the fanboys and will go as far as to say I found myself having to refrain a few times from defending the game from the haters.. this is something I rarely ever do.
Maybe he's punk rock when it comes to MMOs. All us conformists need to stop selling out!
Not playing a game you independently find interesting or think might be fun because there are a bunch of folks out there reveling in the hype is not terribly rational IMO, unless you think you'll get more happiness out of feeling like you're sticking it to them by not playing than you would playing the game yourself.
I will be playing the game because I like it, not because I care that anybody here thinks it will change the way people game forever or all the other crap that gets thrown around. Half the time I read a post heaping some ridiculous praise on the game or railing against somebody with a criticism and I think "This is the worst MMO community I've ever been around; I can't believe I'm a part of it."
For me, I know why I like a game, and I make my purchasing decisions on the likelihood I think I will enjoy it based on the information I have. If after some deliberation I determine it won't be for me I might be wrong, but it's just a game. It's not like picking the wrong college or marrying the wrong woman.
TL;DR Trying to make a point to a bunch of strangers by not playing a game is pretty over the top IMO.
Not as bad as swtors were during it's release. Give it a few months until the shiny wears off and I'm sure they'll be annoying fanboys in the next overhyped themepark.
I think the GW2 fanboys are worse actually. The only difference is GW2 fanboys have more ground to stand on imho.
Fanboy, Hype,Hater are pointless labels for generalisations that people use to shore up arguments.
Simple truth is each individual will play the game and will either enjoy it or they will not. Everyone will get bored of the game at different points in the lifetime of the game. A well designed game will keep more playing for longer.
Personally I prefer to play with people who are excited and even over enthusiastic about a game than people who are cynical or even just pesimistic. Too many moaners and miserable players about who have forgot how to have simple fun for the sake of it - or worse hate to see others have fun in a game that doesnt suit their own jaded vision of how gaming used/should be.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
You CAN resist! Even with the Hype broadcasts from alien-controlled cell phone towers.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
That's got to be the worst reason ever to not play a game.