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Guild Wars 2: The Legendary Endgame

MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community ManagerQueens, NYPosts: 5,716Administrator Uncommon

The folks at ArenaNet recently revealed some details on Guild Wars 2's endgame and we've got all the details as well as some of our own thoughts for you this week.

In a post-World of Warcraft world, where MMOs often quickly usher their players to the level cap in order to kick off the ‘real game’, the aforementioned endgame question has become paramount. This, combined with the fever pitch level of excitement many gamers are expressing for Guild Wars 2, has left many MMO veterans a bit perplexed. “Wait a minute. There are no raids in Guild Wars 2? No real power to chase? So what do you do at level cap?” they often ask. It’s an understandable question. ArenaNet is shouting (proudly) from the mountaintops their intention to cast off many archaic MMO tropes with Guild Wars 2 and it turns out a traditional endgame is on the chopping block as well.

Read more of Michael Bitton's Guild Wars 2: The Legendary Endgame.

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  • TalmienTalmien Hopewell, NJPosts: 78Member
    It seems to me that GW2 is putting all its hope into its combat system. All of the events and RvR are there to encourage you to get into battle. You don't really build your character, or collect gear to make yourself stronger. So fighting is the endgame.

    My only concer is that so far the combat system to me seems only to be of par level. Its nothing legendary. I've found myself already getting a little bored in beta fighting
    unintelligent mobs with a limited skillset, and I don't think I'm alone in this regard.
  • CoolitCoolit FalkirkPosts: 468Member Uncommon

    Great article :)

    I'm looking forward to doing something different at endgame other than raiding which for me has become stale in other games. GW2 is starting to re-invigorate my interest in mmos again because its different like TSW but in a different way.

    At this point I'm starting to wonder if I'll even bother to buy MOP as its just going to be the same crap again once you get to cap, nothing new. 

  • mCalvertmCalvert Tallahassee, FLPosts: 1,283Member

    Im not very interested in endgame progression grind. Gear, forges, whatever, are just tools to help you live in the world. RvR and this Orr world sound much more interesting, and so long as there is something new and interesting to do each time that I go there, then it sounds like GW2 has again improved upon the MMO. We'll just have to see how much there actually is and whether its filler or actually substance.

  • FredomSekerZFredomSekerZ Long Beach, CAPosts: 1,156Member

    So:

    - Medium scale pvp: Nothing new, every mmorpg coming nowadays seems to have it.

    - Gear grind: Not new either, expect it's cosmetic. But hell,e ven high tier gear as some cosmetic properties

    - Orr: Instead of a 10 man dungeon, it's just more quests than before that you get to rinse and repeat forever.

     

    Seriously, i'm not hating on the game, but never understood endgame. To me, no matter how you spin it, dev driven , rinse and repeat content is always the same. That's why i don't care for it. player driven activities is what i consider "true endgame". The closest is WVW, and, well, any kind of pvp activity in today's themeparks, but, since i find VVW not very large and big, and far too meaningless, i don't see myself playing it long.

     

    Again, not trolling. As i've said many times, i plan on buying GW2 because i think it's a good game and the journey will be great, but the end is just like every other mmorpg. Which is fine, because i don't plan on staying. Still worth it.

  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    Yes, yes, yes please, this is definately my cup of tea. I can't stand a gear grind, usually by the time I bis everything, the new bis comes out a week later, just kills it for me, bis cosmetics I can live with.
  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

    Seriously, i'm not hating on the game, but never understood endgame. To me, no matter how you spin it, dev driven , rinse and repeat content is always the same. That's why i don't care for it. player driven activities is what i cosnider "true endgame". The closest is WVW, and, well, any kind of pvp activity in today's themeparks, but, since i find VVW not very large and bug, and far too meaningless, i don't see myself playign long.

    I understand your perspective.

    PvE end-game in GW2 is like "WvW vs. AI" is the best way I've seen/heard it described.

    So if you like WvW, you'll like Orr.

    But since you don't find WvW very large and big, know that Orr is comprised of three zones so you probably wouldn't consider it large enough either.

    For end-game there is also sPvP, which begins on day 1 (level 2) and will feature monthly/weekly/daily tournaments, both dev operated and player run.

    Kind of like a MOBA or FPS in that regard, as you are not playing for more gear but playing to rise in the rankings and work towards being "the best" and from what I can recall Anet also gives out lots of prizes for tournament winners.

    And as with all things end-game in GW2, it's all about getting the bad-ass looks and image for your toon, not the best stats.

    Not for everyone, but if you enjoy 1-80 you'll probably enjoy sticking around at 80.

  • AdiarisAdiaris RomePosts: 381Member

    I'm looking forward to collecting legendary gear that won't be obselete once the next tier comes in. In fact, I almost wish they made it so somewhere down the line some of the original Legendary gear is no longer acquirable...

  • deathangelldeathangell oviedo, FLPosts: 85Member

    FredomSekerz im not sure what u would consider very large and big. But without any form of movement speed to travel the entire WvW map without dying it takes almost a hour ^_^ without hitting a zone wall or a load in screen. that is a hefty map size for sure of course its not Emain or new school frontiers of DAOC but its almost there. As far as end game content its really just there for the consule players of the world who need to have that "I beat this game" quality which is why games always try to have some form of end game. If your looking for a refreshing end game content IE just something that has not been done before it wil be very hard to find because at the end of the day its type of game will always have very similiar concepts to there story like arching and end game. MMo's are no different

  • newbinatornewbinator LA, CAPosts: 780Member

    I don't understand the hype for GW2. Nothing new. So now when  you "grind" for gear, it's just a cosmetic change instead of a stat increase.

  • toddzetoddze no where, OKPosts: 2,155Member

    Big majority of people will be bored of this game 60-90 days after launch. Its a good game, but it just doesnt have "it". The good thing is you can come back every now and then and play a little here and there.

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  • MephsterMephster Tyria, NJPosts: 1,188Member

    Nice spin on no end-game so we'll call it legendary to get it some attention. We knew end-game started at level a long time ago. It has been stated a billion times now.

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  • TimothyTierlessTimothyTierless Columnist M, ORPosts: 2,163Member Uncommon

    I have played many many MMOs. The great ones, they weren't about gear. They weren't about the destination. They were about the journey, the ride, and the experience. I am not perplexed by the lack of carrots and sticks, I am glad a company finally remembered what made MMOs special in the first place. Any game offers content, any game can make you the hero, any game can give you things to do, what made MMOs better wasn't the content they had, it was the social experience they created. That experience cannot be duplicated by any other genre.

  • Rommie10-284Rommie10-284 Systems CommonwealthPosts: 238Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by toddze

    Big majority of people will be bored of this game 60-90 days after launch. Its a good game, but it just doesnt have "it". The good thing is you can come back every now and then and play a little here and there.

    I'm inclined to agree, only because all the new "genre breaking" ideas will not be new anymore, and you'll have people in Now What mode.  Post-game management is the major roadblock of MMOs, and we won't know how ArenaNet does it until after release.

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  • FredomSekerZFredomSekerZ Long Beach, CAPosts: 1,156Member
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

    Seriously, i'm not hating on the game, but never understood endgame. To me, no matter how you spin it, dev driven , rinse and repeat content is always the same. That's why i don't care for it. player driven activities is what i cosnider "true endgame". The closest is WVW, and, well, any kind of pvp activity in today's themeparks, but, since i find VVW not very large and bug, and far too meaningless, i don't see myself playign long.

    I understand your perspective.

    PvE end-game in GW2 is like "WvW vs. AI" is the best way I've seen/heard it described.

    So if you like WvW, you'll like Orr.

    But since you don't find WvW very large and big, know that Orr is comprised of three zones so you probably wouldn't consider it large enough either.

    For end-game there is also sPvP, which begins on day 1 (level 2) and will feature monthly/weekly/daily tournaments, both dev operated and player run.

    Kind of like a MOBA or FPS in that regard, as you are not playing for more gear but playing to rise in the rankings and work towards being "the best" and from what I can recall Anet also gives out lots of prizes for tournament winners.

    And as with all things end-game in GW2, it's all about getting the bad-ass looks and image for your toon, not the best stats.

    Not for everyone, but if you enjoy 1-80 you'll probably enjoy sticking around at 80.

    i never really cared for gear myself. I hate stat game breaking gear grind, so i'm happy GW2 doesn't do that, but, i can't rinse and repeat content for cosmetic gear either. if i'm done and had fun, that's good enough for me.

    Regarding WVW and Orr, i don't find them small. But, to make a better comparision, i think Planetside 2 does large scale RVR the right way. it's all about map design. And the idea of "RVR with AI" is cool, don't get me wrong. But like i said, if the world was player driven, with ecnomy, politics, created cities and villagies, etc, etc (no need for owpvp even), and losing controll of Orr ment a cascade of invasion that destroyed all the community built, now THAT would be simpyl awesome. But unfortunaly, if i lose Orr, nothing bad happens, expect the same events repeat.

    Again, all of this is pretty cool and fun, just not what my personall definition of endgame is about, just like spvp. I already play FPS'ers and other games for that stuff.

    Simply put, i don't think GW2 as "endgame" aka content that keeps ME around after the story" or "leveling" is over, but the journey is great enough.

  • KilsinKilsin NSWPosts: 342Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rommie10-284
    Originally posted by toddze

    Big majority of people will be bored of this game 60-90 days after launch. Its a good game, but it just doesnt have "it". The good thing is you can come back every now and then and play a little here and there.

    I'm inclined to agree, only because all the new "genre breaking" ideas will not be new anymore, and you'll have people in Now What mode.  Post-game management is the major roadblock of MMOs, and we won't know how ArenaNet does it until after release.

    I share the same opinion as well, it is pretty fun so far (I have played all beta to date s far) but I can see it wearing off real quick, I have posted before that this will most likely be my side game that I play when my main MMo is down for patching or something to mix it up for something a bit different or a bit of fun on an off raiding night.

    This game will keep the casuals happy for a while longer than the hardcroe crowd but after a few months (maybe 6-12 tops) even they will have pretty much experienced everything there is to see and start asking for more, if ArenaNet doesn't provide, it will start to bleed subs fast.

    It is not the kind of game that makes me want to roll another character or an alt, I played around to pick the class I liked the most and that is what I will stick with, where as other games, i usually have a mix of a few classes.

    While I will be playing it for a bit of fun on the side and appreciate what ArenaNet are trying to do, this game won't be keeping my attention for very long.

    I wish it good luck though, at least it's better than most of the other games we have to choose from these days.

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  • gravesworngravesworn charleston, WVPosts: 324Member
    Toddze, main reason i am going to give it a try. I dont have to remember to cancel a sub if i get bored. Lol.
  • Ice-QueenIce-Queen USA, GAPosts: 2,451Member Uncommon

    No more raiding, I'll be playing this game for years, just because of that.

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  • Garvon3Garvon3 Worcester, MAPosts: 2,898Member
    Originally posted by Talmien
    It seems to me that GW2 is putting all its hope into its combat system. All of the events and RvR are there to encourage you to get into battle. You don't really build your character, or collect gear to make yourself stronger. So fighting is the endgame.

     

    Well it seems more they're putting all their hope on getting people to socialize, and try to win in RvR. It worked for DAoC. They were the second biggest MMO around for many years, until they made PvE progression a requirement for RvR...

     

    RvR is, to date, probably the best end game there is.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by newbinator

    I don't understand the hype for GW2. Nothing new. So now when  you "grind" for gear, it's just a cosmetic change instead of a stat increase.

    There is no endless gear stat increase. All end game equipment is balanced, they differ in skin, stats (some are more defensive, offensive, etc), and modifications (runes, sigils...).

  • joeri123joeri123 KerkskenPosts: 160Member Uncommon

    Reading some of the comments here is so depressing.

    People always pick on something. It will never be good enough for those people.

    Can't you just be happy with what you get?

    I'm thinking at least 50% of the people on this forum should leave now and explore other game genres, because it seems some people will never be pleased.

  • AnthurAnthur StolbergPosts: 686Member Uncommon

    Nice article. Describes very well what you have to expect from GW2.

    Unfortunately the nit-pickers wll never be satisfied as you can already see in the responses. They look for their perfect MMO. Which of course doesn't exist. Poor people, with every new MMO they will be disappointed again because there is a least one feature they don't like. The problem is not the MMOs, it's them. ;)

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member

    There's only two types of people: Those who like Guild Wars, and those who don't know about Guild Wars.

    Nah, just kiddin'

    It is normal to dislike a game, not every game is for everybody. Some people get hooked, some don't.

  • MephsterMephster Tyria, NJPosts: 1,188Member
    Originally posted by newbinator

    I don't understand the hype for GW2. Nothing new. So now when  you "grind" for gear, it's just a cosmetic change instead of a stat increase.

    You mean the contant grind for Karma points for gear. :)

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  • ClocksimusClocksimus Barrie, ONPosts: 354Member
    Originally posted by joeri123

    Reading some of the comments here is so depressing.

    People always pick on something. It will never be good enough for those people.

    Can't you just be happy with what you get?

    I'm thinking at least 50% of the people on this forum should leave now and explore other game genres, because it seems some people will never be pleased.

    This is actually my exact problem with GW2. Everyone that is hyping the game just seems to be happy and pleased with anything ArenaNet throws at them.  IMO GW2 gear grind is for worse than any MMO that uses this system as at the very least gear in other MMO's have an impact on your character beyond the visual and  therefore more rewarding.  I do not understand how playing for skins is more rewarding than playing for skins + character progression.

  • toddzetoddze no where, OKPosts: 2,155Member
    Originally posted by joeri123

    Reading some of the comments here is so depressing.

    People always pick on something. It will never be good enough for those people.

    Can't you just be happy with what you get?

    I'm thinking at least 50% of the people on this forum should leave now and explore other game genres, because it seems some people will never be pleased.

    Oh how I wish there was another genre that offered what the real MMORPG genre use to offer. 

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

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