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The itemization is the only thing that worries me about this game

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403
    Originally posted by Cursedsei

    communistic

    Communists, really? How 1961.  Or is it 1990?

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • Bad.dogBad.dog Member UncommonPosts: 1,131
    Originally posted by Meowhead
    Originally posted by Doomedfox

    I wonder if the Item shop will have some armor/weapon skins you can buy to look cool if it does i would say its pretty easy to get the cool look ;) 

     Nah, that won't be the most prestigious stuff.  Sure, you may look fancy, but nobody serious will be impressed.  Actually, even the BASIC stuff in GW2, just the things you find off the ground looks nice.

    GW2 is full of people who look pretty awesome.  If you're speaking from a purely cosmetic point of view, awesomeness is all over the place.  I had amazing looking medium armor at level 35.

    We're talking about the sort of prestige that comes from unique looks that people will know you had to struggle to earn.

    It's the legendary weapons and things like that, that will impress the hell out of people.  Stuff that require actual large amounts of playing the game.  Like getting the most elite dungeon armors.

    Lol ....I always think I have the cool look , the fact that equipment stats are transferable sure leaves the "LOOK" to be almost anything a soul desires , I get the feeling the appearance of characters will be a poor indicator of the skills

  • evolver1972evolver1972 Member Posts: 1,118
    Originally posted by Derpybird
    Originally posted by Meowhead
    Originally posted by nomatics856

    Seems like since Obama became president socialism and communism has also spread to mmorpgs I see.

     I thought the problem with GW2 is that people can buy their way to the top.  Isn't that rampant capitalism?

    Man, I can't keep up with the complaints anymore, I'm so confused. :(

    .... more seriously, there's tons of things to work for in the game, it's just that working for these things is for fun and looks, not because it's mandatory.

    Do you have something against looking better? 

    I agree. On the one hand, I am repeatedly told that GW2 is P2W. I see a new thread on this every couple of days.

    I was in the process of transferring money from my Swiss bank account back to the US so I could win the hell out of the game by buying everything in the cash shop at launch including one pirate outfit for each day of the week.

    Now I'm faced with the "facts" that GW2 represents either communism or socialism or both simultaneously.

    What in the hell am I supposed to do?

    Don't worry this is a clear-cut case of the OP a) not understanding how GW2 gear and "grind" really work, and b) not understanding at all what socialism and communism, or even capitalism, really are.

     

    @OP, your problem seems to be that you are looking at GW2 like it is, or at least should be, just another WoW clone.  If you want the grind for stats and you want to waste your $15/month on that grind, by all means do so.  I for one prefer the GW2 model:  No sub and I can "grind" - a potentially fun "grind", even - for great looking gear and achievement without being underpowered stat wise once I'm top tier.  That way, nothing gets easier once I have that top level stuff.  I still need to use my skill to achieve something.

     

    BTW, using skill to achieve something is pretty close to capitalism if you want to make that kind of comparison.  Going through an interminable and boring grind (like a bureacracy) to get something that will let you go through another boring grind (yet another bureacracy) is much closer to socialism.

     

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  • evolver1972evolver1972 Member Posts: 1,118
    Originally posted by newbinator

    I don't consider myself to be a hardcore player. However, I want some "grind" or whatever you want to call it... I want something to aim for. Something more than a new weapon skin. I don't like GW2's approach in that regard. One of the reasons I won't be buying it.

    How about just having fun?  Isn't that something to aim for?

     

    Or, if you really need something to aim for, some goal set in front of you besides cosmetics, there are always achievements and titles.  Those will surely satisfy your need for "grind".

     

    However, I'm not trying to convince you to buy the game.  I'd rather you didn't so you wouldn't complain to the devs that there needs to be more grind in game.  So, thanks for making that wise decision.

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  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433

    I really don't care about having superior stats any more, with every game I play I find myself caring less about them. From what I saw, there will be differences though, people that have mastercraft stuff equiped, or have fully socketed their gear are quite a bit more powerful.

    What does worry me however, was the lack of variety in looks in the game, or at least, it was very hard to and not really clear where you could find a new cool look through PvE.

     

    To be fair, I only really went for leveling up on my guardian in BWE1, so it might be better already. But on that char, I looked the same basically from level 1-23. I was rather disappointed that after playing about 15-20 hours, my character still looked exactly the same as when exiting the tutorial (the only thing I gained were some longer sleeves).

    People told me I should look at the karma vendors, but in all the BWE's, these mostly sold accessories and cooking items, bar a couple exceptions.

     

    I hear that things get slightly different after level 25, so I'll push onward in the next BWE and have a look, but that's still a long time for new players until they feel like they've lost their "tutorial char" imo.

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403
    Originally posted by Baddogbill

    Lol ....I always think I have the cool look , the fact that equipment stats are transferable sure leaves the "LOOK" to be almost anything a soul desires

    Item form divorced from item function?

    First heard that idea proposed for Hero's Journey in...'01...I think.  (You know, the Vaporware game that lead to that dreaded HeroEngine).  It is indeed nice that developers are getting around to it at last.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • CursedseiCursedsei Member Posts: 1,012
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by Baddogbill

    Lol ....I always think I have the cool look , the fact that equipment stats are transferable sure leaves the "LOOK" to be almost anything a soul desires

    Item form divorced from item function?

    First heard that idea proposed for Hero's Journey in...'01...I think.  (You know, the Vaporware game that lead to that dreaded HeroEngine).  It is indeed nice that developers are getting around to it at last.

    It's been around in different forms to be fair. Some had it handled by implementing "Costume slots" as well as gear slots. Other games have systems in place wherein they merge the two items, using one items look and the other items stats.

     

    It's by no means really a recent development.

  • Tonin109Tonin109 Member Posts: 201

    if people want to grind gears play aion, wow or whatever

    GW2 offers more than this crap grind , i cant believe people keep complaining when arenet try to make something different

     

     

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403
    Originally posted by Tonin109

    people keep complaining....

    Did you find a thread somewhere on this board where they didn't?

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • hikaru77hikaru77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,123
    Originally posted by nomatics856
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    Have you read about the legendary weapons?

    They are cosmetic only.

    Is all pretty much cosmetic, also u have a cash shop where we will have more cosmetic armors. Love the people talking about ¨play just for fun¨, i wonder why that didnt work very well in all those years of MMO enterteinment?. No rewards of pregression in a MMO = people getting bored pretty fast and quitting, maybe thats why gw2 is casual and a B2P MMO. 

  • MeowheadMeowhead Member UncommonPosts: 3,716
    Originally posted by hikaru77

    Is all pretty much cosmetic, also u have a cash shop where we will have more cosmetic armors. Love the people talking about ¨play just for fun¨, i wonder why that didnt work very well in all those years of MMO enterteinment?. No rewards of pregression in a MMO = people getting bored pretty fast and quitting, maybe thats why gw2 is casual and a B2P MMO. 

     .... except people get bored pretty fast and quit ALL MMORPGs.

    There's not a single MMORPG that is free of 'people getting bored pretty fast and leaving'

    Even WoW, one of the few games that got MORE subs as time went along,  had an incredibly high turnover rate.  Far more people quitting than continuing playing.

    Don't let your personal desire for a particular gameplay model blind you to the fact that people getting bored of games is something that happens across the board, for all games, ever.

  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,152
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by nomatics856
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    Have you read about the legendary weapons?

    They are cosmetic only.

    Is all pretty much cosmetic, also u have a cash shop where we will have more cosmetic armors. Love the people talking about ¨play just for fun¨, i wonder why that didnt work very well in all those years of MMO enterteinment?. No rewards of pregression in a MMO = people getting bored pretty fast and quitting, maybe thats why gw2 is casual and a B2P MMO. 

     

    I quit playing WoW, Aion and many other online games because they "forced" me to work for gear and items, just so I can play the game on a level ground with other players. Never again.

    There are plenty of games out there for you to work at, enjoy yourself.

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Originally posted by nomatics856

    There is no hard to get equipment or loot, or powerful hard to get loot and every one has a easy chance of having the best gear, and dungeons dont drop rare gear.

    Kinda worries me., that no one wants to work to get good gear.

    Thats the point of this game, its meant to be fun instead of another daytime job.

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  • WolfynsongWolfynsong Member Posts: 237
    Originally posted by nomatics856

    It did not. Melee still got the crappier end of the stick in GW1. 55 monks dominated PVP and were basically unkillable because of "skill". In a case like this game of skill vs itemization, range and spellcasters will always dominate melee always.

    What little credibility you had just shattered with this statement.  Seriously.

    The 55 is a farming build only, because 1) heavy health degeneration or enchantment removal (both common in PvP) can and will flatten a 55 in a second, and 2) their damage, control, and general team support are dirt poor.  Tanks aren't any use in PvP - especially tanks which would be steamrolled by any Mesmer or Necromancer in the game.

    Also, melee definitely didn't have the "crappier end of the stick" in GW1.  Well, at least Dervishes and Warriors didn't.

  • CursedseiCursedsei Member Posts: 1,012
    Originally posted by Wolfynsong
    Originally posted by nomatics856

    It did not. Melee still got the crappier end of the stick in GW1. 55 monks dominated PVP and were basically unkillable because of "skill". In a case like this game of skill vs itemization, range and spellcasters will always dominate melee always.

    What little credibility you had just shattered with this statement.  Seriously.

    The 55 is a farming build only, because 1) heavy health degeneration or enchantment removal (both common in PvP) can and will flatten a 55 in a second, and 2) their damage, control, and general team support are dirt poor.  Tanks aren't any use in PvP - especially tanks which would be steamrolled by any Mesmer or Necromancer in the game.

    Also, melee definitely didn't have the "crappier end of the stick" in GW1.  Well, at least Dervishes and Warriors didn't.

    Aye, a 55 build is a joke if you have more than one touch health-steal skill, seriously.

    And I wouldn't say that. Assassins are pretty darn good, just a heck of a lot harder to use than Dervishes or Warriors.

  • hikaru77hikaru77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,123
    Originally posted by Adalwulff
    Originally posted by hikaru77
    Originally posted by nomatics856
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    Have you read about the legendary weapons?

    They are cosmetic only.

    Is all pretty much cosmetic, also u have a cash shop where we will have more cosmetic armors. Love the people talking about ¨play just for fun¨, i wonder why that didnt work very well in all those years of MMO enterteinment?. No rewards of pregression in a MMO = people getting bored pretty fast and quitting, maybe thats why gw2 is casual and a B2P MMO. 

     

    I quit playing WoW, Aion and many other online games because they "forced" me to work for gear and items, just so I can play the game on a level ground with other players. Never again.

    There are plenty of games out there for you to work at, enjoy yourself.

    Im  warhammer veteran like 3 years there, endgame was all about ¨grind to rr 80 and pvp gear progression¨, but it was a 100% PvP grind, and pvp is allways fun, so i wasnt like a ¨work¨or and endless grind, i was fun.  AION was like a work, same as any Korean MMO, but you have out there lot of MMO where the progression and rewards are something fun to do, again playing just for ¨fun¨ in a MMO dont work, but gw2 is B2P for a reason so yes, it work because is a casual game like BF3 where doesnt matter if u have 2 days playing or 2 years, is the same.   

  • sonoggisonoggi Member Posts: 1,119

    itemization is the only thing that doesnt worry me about this game. actually nothing worries me about this game.

  • WolfynsongWolfynsong Member Posts: 237
    Originally posted by Cursedsei

    Aye, a 55 build is a joke if you have more than one touch health-steal skill, seriously.

    And I wouldn't say that. Assassins are pretty darn good, just a heck of a lot harder to use than Dervishes or Warriors.

    I didn't mean that they weren't, it's just that I never bothered to play one, and so I can't speak for them.

  • ArthasmArthasm Member UncommonPosts: 785

    I agree with OP. There aren't gear progression in GW2, so do not waste money. I suggest you to play Wow Pandaria ( curently playing beta, got 90level char.). Will be harder than WoTLK/Catatclysm to get epic gear. All new epics/mounts are reputation based and will require hard work through dailies to get gear on exalted. Blizzard removes daily limitations, so you can do up to 50+  dailies for every rep vendor. You can also enjoy PVP against Horde/Alliance, cause I believe they share same vendors/rep. Every day 8 hours of 50 dailies and PVP battles for dailies + dungeons + scenarios which will give a little less valor points than in Cataclysm. And new loot system is also awesome, but be sure it will take you months to get full T14 gear + more if you doing heroic raids. Work, work and only work. GW2 isn't for you, it's only for people with less time and for people who think that games are only for fun.

  • DerpybirdDerpybird Member Posts: 991
    Originally posted by altas

    I agree with OP. There aren't gear progression in GW2, so do not waste money. I suggest you to play Wow Pandaria ( curently playing beta, got 90level char.). Will be harder than WoTLK/Catatclysm to get epic gear. All new epics/mounts are reputation based and will require hard work through dailies to get gear on exalted. Blizzard removes daily limitations, so you can do up to 50+  dailies for every rep vendor. You can also enjoy PVP against Horde/Alliance, cause I believe they share same vendors/rep. Every day 8 hours of 50 dailies and PVP battles for dailies + dungeons + scenarios which will give a little less valor points than in Cataclysm. And new loot system is also awesome, but be sure it will take you months to get full T14 gear + more if you doing heroic raids. Work, work and only work. GW2 isn't for you, it's only for people with less time and for people who think that games are only for fun.

    Yes but in the end, it's still WoW.

    Except with pandas.

    And pokemon.

    And quest hubs with a lot of little "!" and "?"

    And dead servers.

    And standing in cities waiting for your cue to pop.

    And a cash shop on top of a sub.

    And the black market where I can buy all the things I used to get through raiding.

    And already have been fooled by Blizz once with Cataclysm.

    No, just no.

    "Loading screens" are not "instances".
    Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  • CursedseiCursedsei Member Posts: 1,012
    Originally posted by altas

    I agree with OP. There aren't gear progression in GW2, so do not waste money. I suggest you to play Wow Pandaria ( curently playing beta, got 90level char.). Will be harder than WoTLK/Catatclysm to get epic gear. All new epics/mounts are reputation based and will require hard work through dailies to get gear on exalted. Blizzard removes daily limitations, so you can do up to 50+  dailies for every rep vendor. You can also enjoy PVP against Horde/Alliance, cause I believe they share same vendors/rep. Every day 8 hours of 50 dailies and PVP battles for dailies + dungeons + scenarios which will give a little less valor points than in Cataclysm. And new loot system is also awesome, but be sure it will take you months to get full T14 gear + more if you doing heroic raids. Work, work and only work. GW2 isn't for you, it's only for people with less time and for people who think that games are only for fun.

    You, are a very good mesmer... Almost thought you were serious for a moment...!

  • AdiarisAdiaris Member CommonPosts: 381
    Originally posted by colddog04

    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by Honner
    For example in WoW with every patch they come out with a new tier or new items with more level than the previous one and more powerful

    People used to complain about that.  All my hard work is wasted yammer yammer.

    Isn't there still a traditional gear gripefest every expansion?

    I think 3 nuclear wars were started over the Vanilla -> BC expansion. Or was it 4?

     

    I clearly remember at LEAST 4 of them...
  • ArthasmArthasm Member UncommonPosts: 785
    Originally posted by Derpybird
    Originally posted by altas

    ...

     

    And pokemon.

     

    Sorry for off topic, but pokemons are actually interesting and fun. Tried them last night, but in release I don't think people will have time to do pet battles and raise pets to max level and fight against other's pet (in wild or another players), cause game will require more time and effort for other things to do, lol. 

  • xm522xm522 Member UncommonPosts: 117
    Originally posted by Zippy
    Originally posted by nomatics856

    There is no hard to get equipment or loot, or powerful hard to get loot and every one has a easy chance of having the best gear, and dungeons dont drop rare gear.

    Kinda worries me., that no one wants to work to get good gear.

    [mod edit]

    [mod edit] i've been playing MMOs for a long long time, yet i cannot excuse the gear grind. and it takes far more attention span to go out exploring than it does to go from quest hub to quest hub and then from tiered raid to tiered raid.

    i know for a fact that the gear grind is exactly what stopped me from experiencing most of the content in BC, what's the point of paying for something i will not use.

    [mod edit]

    was directed at Zippy, not Nomatics856, mod edit = delete

  • itchmonitchmon Member RarePosts: 1,999

    in some (note!!!  i said some) games the fun of the game is the insane amount of effort you have to put in to be able to do X or Y.  Eve online is an example.  if everyone could fly a supercarrier or rorqual or titan (let alone afford them!!!) then the game would lose its appeal.   of course the super duper part of eve is that being in that titan doesnt make you the most uber player ever, in fact it's a very limited kind of ship with just a few applications... but it excels like no other at those applications.  sooo if you would like to be a Rag or Erebus pilot, save your iskies and invest in some +4 or 5 implants, but if not then hey, it's chill, the very best corps in the game need hundreds of non-capitol ship pilots and you as a non-cap pilot can do a bazillion awesome things in eve.

     

    then there are wow/rift type games when the effort is only to be able to put in more effort to do a different dungeon, which then in turn you have to put in effort to farm to do yet another dungeon.  IE the gear treadmill.  this is the kind of "work" that i am happy to be rid of when GW2 comes around.

     

    i just wanted to make this post because it seems like people dont understand there is a place and a time for "effort" in this type of games, but there is also the time to put these notions aside.

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