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Is it fun? The hubris of bucking convention.
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So what do all of you geniuses think is going to happen when the game is a ghost town in 2 months because nobody has any reason to stay because of the lack of "grind" as you all love to call it?
Whats going to happen is the game is going to receive 0 support, none whatsoever, bugs will go unfixed, no new content will be added, etc etc.
Absolutely baffles me that people continue to think the F2P models are good for a game.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Cool, you don't plan on playing thx!
It's not F2p..WTF did you get that impression?
Also the same reason why I still play Master of Magic .
Ever think maybe people actually enjoy playing video games?
This is true if you're looking for an MMO to replace your real life.
I'll play GW2 instead.
It's B2P not F2P....
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Err, Guild Wars 1?
I don't even know what to say, I retyped at least 10 times, oh my God lol.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Yeah, it's amazing how quickly people put everything in a box.
What does a lobby based game that came out during a time with no competition and as become known for it's arena based pvp as to do with anything again? And for the record, i like GW1
Well said. I grinded gear in GW(1) myself, but not because I had to. My gear after a week or 2 was perfectly good but I wanted something to show of how good I play and that required both grinding and to complete hard content.
That will turn off players but frankly do the raid for gear policy many other games have as well.
Focusing on the rest of the market that doesn't want Wow is the smartest thing ANET (and a few other companies like CCP and Undead labs) have done. There are alreaady a zillion games out there for people that are hoarders and love to improve their gear all the time.
Things are indeed different now but remember that GW came out in mid 2005, otherwise known as "the rise of Wow". If that was no competition I don´t know what was, a lot of games went under at the time.
In fact I think 2005 was the worst year in history to release a MMO, Wow released late 2004 and GW1 was probably the most successful game releasing withing 2-3 years after Wow.
But I think Irus more was thinking of the support GW1 actually got, it got as much support as most P2P games.
Er... SWTOR failed because it didn't actually buck any conventions. It plays just like WoW. Singleplayer oriented quests, with maybe a bit more polish.
Gear grind is NOT required, many MMOs have done without it, same for profession and "achievements" (whatever that means).
Current "convention" (WoW clones) aren't fun. Else they'd be growing, not failing and going FTP.
You're talking as someone who hasn't played the game. Do so, try a dungeon and/or PvP, and then come back and tell me that you can just AoE until everything is dead.
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LOL I know what you mean.
The only thing I can say is that kedoremos must only have experience in themepark MMO's that follow the EQ/WoW model.
Then again, I have an inkling that by "grind" he really means "progression" and in that case...yes progression is required in an RPG (otherwise it's not an RPG). But this is not to say that, that progression need be unpleasant or overly repetitive (grindy). And it definitely doesn't mean that you need one specific kind of progression (gear, achievements, etc.) to be successful.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I think both of you are wrong.
TOR failed because it´s focus is on singleplayer stuff while most MMO players want a social game.
While Wow clones have filled out the market they do have many players and I am pretty sure most of them think those games are fun. And they do still own most of the market even if some weakergames have gone F2P.
However you can only sell that many bottles of beer in a small village no matter how many different kinds you have. Some people just prefer wine or whiskey. And even if you like beer only selling Bud and similar brands limit your potential, particularly after a bunch of years. Sometimes people want a good Guiness or Chimay instead of the same as every week.
There was indeed some competetion but the biggest "heavy weights" (from what we see today) only came out in 2008 with WAR and AOC and all the ones ot follow. Also, keep in mind in 2007 the game launhced the fits expansion that required players to buy the original game first. And WOW became really big, and GW1 was (is) B2P which made a good difference specially since WOW as defenatly more stablished.
But my post was just to reflect on the fact that using GW1 as an indicator of anything isn't a good idea IMHO. The pve doesn't need a population like an mmo and WVW is going to need even more players than the original's pvp to make it good. I know, i know, guesting for PVE, but again, bad rep for a game isn't good, if you log in to find most servers on low with a few high where everyone is guesting.
Keep in mind i'm not trying to say GW2 will fail or anything like that. Just that the prequel was something very different from the sequel. However, as i've always said, i believe GW2 will return a profit to Ante easily with the box sales at launch. The future is, well, unknown, as it always is for any mmorpg.
He sounds more like someone who tried it for an hour or 2, and only in PvE. If you just run the starting zones and do the heart quests you get that idea.
The dungeons are something completely different, particularly in explorable mode. And the exploration and DEs you get after you leave the start area are a very different experience as well.
Personally I ignore most heart quests.
That Wow takes more skill in PvP is just silly, unless he means that it takes skill to grind the gear that makes you easily defeat most oponents. GW2 offers a lot closer matches than Wow where your gear matters liitle and how that can take less skill is just something I don't get.
Having more skills on your hotbar does not make playing the game harder.
As for the mystery boxes they just have junk in them anyways and the keys actually drop in the game as well. As for 60 bucks every 6 months (I think 9-12 is more likely) that is still cheaper than 90 bucks every 6 months (well, you can get it down a bit if you pay a year at the time) and a 50 bucks expansion every 2 years.
And Wow also sells crap you don´t need in the cashshop just like GW2. Not to mention all boxes you need to buy to start wow.
I'm necroing this thread because I just wanted to say that I was right.
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