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Is Diablo 3 less addictive than Diablo 2?

7star7star SeoulPosts: 405Member

Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

 

http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

 

Any thoughts?

 

I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by 7star

    Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

     

    http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

     

    Any thoughts?

     

    I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

     That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • stayBlindstayBlind Suwannee, GAPosts: 527Member

    Played D2 for years.

    Played D3 for weeks.

    Yea, I got bored sadly.

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  • 7star7star SeoulPosts: 405Member
    Originally posted by zymurgeist 
     Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

    Ha...I hope you're right, but I sometimes have my doubts. ;)

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon

    no game will ever be as addicting as D2 or any other online game that came out in that time frame.

    i cracked out on D2 unlike any other game other than EQ. are there better games than those two? yes, from a technical standpoint there are countless games better than both of them IMO

    but i will never get back that feeling i got when i first started playing online PC games like D2, EQ, and Daoc.

    i know in my heart that i will never play the same game for years again, no matter what game it is. the only way i can see myself playing a game that long is if a game comes out that is so innovative and far and away better than everything else out there, that nothing else compares.

    i just don't see that happening any time soon.

  • dannydeucedannydeuce Sterling heights, MIPosts: 310Member
    Originally posted by stayBlind

    Played D2 for years.

    Played D3 for weeks.

    Yea, I got bored sadly.

    This.

     

    I played D2 for so long and it really was fun every single playthrough.  The loot grind was amazing.  Outside of a few obvious flaws, this game is easily top 3 all time for me.

    I played D3 for less than a month.  The game took many steps backwards on all levels from D2.  I am shocked by how much I don't want to play this game anymore.  Everytime I log in, I log off after playing for 5-10 minutes.  It's just boring.

  • MephsterMephster Tyria, NJPosts: 1,188Member
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by 7star

    Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

     

    http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

     

    Any thoughts?

     

    I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

     That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

    There is no way anyone completes inferno without the use of the AH. The drops are nerfed because it is easier to get gear from the AH.

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  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,838Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Mephster There is no way anyone completes inferno without the use of the AH. The drops are nerfed because it is easier to get gear from the AH.

    inferno was beat within days after release, just sayin.

  • bhimabhima Sacramento, CAPosts: 81Member

    If it is, one of the other reasons could be: people who loved D2 didn't realize they've grown out of grinding gear all day every day in a loot pinata syle game. You get older, you get exposed to different, more complex games and the older style of motivation by loot drops just doesn't sustain enjoyment like it used to.

  • MollariMollari Minneapolis, MNPosts: 31Member
    Originally posted by bhima

    If it is, one of the other reasons could be: people who loved D2 didn't realize they've grown out of grinding gear all day every day in a loot pinata syle game. You get older, you get exposed to different, more complex games and the older style of motivation by loot drops just doesn't sustain enjoyment like it used to.

    You see I loved grinding gear in Diablo 2. The posibilites of what could drop is what I loved. Diablo 3 is boring as hell. I killed inferno diablo on my barb without 1 item dropping from inferno that was an upgrade to what I had purchased (gold) on the AH. I found out I actually lose gold (pre RMAH) by playing the game. I was making gold hand over fist and upgrading my gear by playing the AH and getting maybe 300k by playing the game. I was making millions when I didn't actually log into the game past the AH. The drop rates killed the game for me. I had countless hours farming inferno and gained next to nothing. Probably sold 1-3 items that were decent. Nothing great dropped the whole time. I have now been playing the Path of Exile beta and love every minute of the grind for gear. IMO it is the real sucessor to Diablo 2.

    TL;DR - Basically the grind is pointless as the drop rates suck and you get better gear/more money by not logging in and playing the AH. Thats the reason I don't play D3.

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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,932Member Uncommon

    Yeah it's less addicting.  Mainly because I can't farm A4 Hell or A1 Inferno and expect to find stuff to help me in A2 Inferno and beyond.  I have a glass cannon DH at A2 Inferno Belial and a Barb at the beginning of A2 Inferno.  They are basically stuck unless I farm gold to buy items in the AH.  That's really boring to me.  I've been slowly leveling the other classes and a solo Barb instead.

     

    I am eagerly awaiting 1.03, but any dreams I had of selling stuff on the RMAH are long dead thanks to the botters and the boredom of farming in the game in its current state.  The itemization and drops are terrible in D3 right now.

  • NaralNaral Solway, MNPosts: 751Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Yeah it's less addicting.  Mainly because I can't farm A4 Hell or A1 Inferno and expect to find stuff to help me in A2 Inferno and beyond.  I have a glass cannon DH at A2 Inferno Belial and a Barb at the beginning of A2 Inferno.  They are basically stuck unless I farm gold to buy items in the AH.  That's really boring to me.  I've been slowly leveling the other classes and a solo Barb instead.

     

    I am eagerly awaiting 1.03, but any dreams I had of selling stuff on the RMAH are long dead thanks to the botters and the boredom of farming in the game in its current state.  The itemization and drops are terrible in D3 right now.

    You beat me by a long shot. I cannot even be bothered to play through on Nightmare, heh. Maybe I am getting old, who knows, but once I wrapped the story up the first time, at around level 31 or so, I went right into "to-hell-with-this mode, it's summer." 

    I doubt I will touch this game again, to be honest. There is enough coming out, and I have a busy summer both work and family wise, I am not even tempted.

    So, to answer the OP, in my case, it is WAY less addictive than D2.

  • 7star7star SeoulPosts: 405Member
    Originally posted by boonism
    TL;DR - Basically the grind is pointless as the drop rates suck and you get better gear/more money by not logging in and playing the AH. Thats the reason I don't play D3.

     

    This is the horror that has dawned on me. 

     

    I am looking to patch 1.03 and if that doesn't work, then it's D2 till TL2 comes out, hopefully soon.

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mephster
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by 7star

    Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

     

    http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

     

    Any thoughts?

     

    I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

     That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

    There is no way anyone completes inferno without the use of the AH. The drops are nerfed because it is easier to get gear from the AH.

     You know I wish people would quit telling me I've done the impossible. It's going to make it hard to fit my head through doorways. I've done it. I'm not even that good, just persistant.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • Z3R01Z3R01 NYC, NYPosts: 2,426Member
    Originally posted by 7star
    Originally posted by boonism
    TL;DR - Basically the grind is pointless as the drop rates suck and you get better gear/more money by not logging in and playing the AH. Thats the reason I don't play D3.

     

    This is the horror that has dawned on me. 

     

    I am looking to patch 1.03 and if that doesn't work, then it's D2 till TL2 comes out, hopefully soon.

    Have you tried Path of Exile? Its a f2p Action Rpg. It has a very dark gritty setting, an amazing skill system, Loot thats exciting and a currency system that makes gold sellers avoid the game (because the game doesn't use gold lol).

    If you toss the developers like 10 bucks you get access to the beta instantly, or you can sign up and wait.

     

    Personally my favorite mechanic in the game is tha passive skill system its completely ripped off of final fantasy 10s grid system lol. 

     

    Check out the Templar trailer on Youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mjrpNrxOAQ

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  • thexratedthexrated OuluPosts: 1,368Member Common
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by 7star

    Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

     

    http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

     

    Any thoughts?

     

    I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

     That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

    There are a lot of similarities. For example, some people get addicted very quickly even when they know that  many addictions are bad for for them.  Many addictions start out as habits. Also, most people would choose reward over challenge.

    Genes, family history and social environment (including socio-economic situation) play a major role in formation of  non-substance related habits and addictions.

    While humans are different from monkeys and dogs, there are many similarities in this particular issue.

     

     

     

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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by thexrated
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by 7star

    Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

     

    http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

     

    Any thoughts?

     

    I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

     That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

    There are a lot of similarities. For example, some people get addicted very quickly even when they know that  many addictions are bad for for them.  Many addictions start out as habits. Also, most people would choose reward over challenge.

    Genes, family history and social environment (including socio-economic situation) play a major role in formation of  non-substance related habits and addictions.

    While humans are different from monkeys and dogs, there are many similarities in this particular issue.

     

     

     

     On the surface yes but monkeys aren't known for thrill seeking behavior. You're also not going to get anyone to sit watching an uninteresting screen for long with minor food rewards. Not even children do this. What is on the screen is what compels us not the food rewards. Our behaviors are several orders of magnitude more complex.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,060Member Uncommon

    D3 is very addictive.

    But i can predict it will have shorter lifetime than D2...why ?

    Because D3 does not lock you into paticular build. So once you finished Inferno with peticular class you are pretty much finished (for that class)

     

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  • Z3R01Z3R01 NYC, NYPosts: 2,426Member

    I don't know about the less addicting bit thats a subjective thing but I do know currently that D3 does not have the potential of longevity that Diablo 2 had.

    In Diablo 2 players played around with hundreds of specs and everytime they wanted to use a different spec they had to re-level. This adds a massive amount of playtime to a game. In Diablo 3 you simply switch skills out of combat, swap weapons and you're good to go. Basically roll one version of a class and you're done.

    In Diablo 2 while the game was challenging Hell mode was nowhere near as unforgiving as D3s Inferno mode. D3 inferno mode is like a newb cockblock, its furstrating and people are getting bored because of it.

    In Diablo 2 there were unique items, stuff people hunted for and the drops were better. In D3 every item has completely random stats. Nothing feels unique, Honesly you could get rid of the gear and place stat tokens in there place and it wouldnt make a difference.

    In Diablo 2 people traded items in game and on websites for money but it was completely optional. You didnt feel like you needed to take part to progess. In Diablo 3 the AH/Trading is the focus of the game this leads to gold farming being a big part and many people from my experience get burnt out or bored farming gold.

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  • LobotomistLobotomist ZagrebPosts: 5,060Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Yeah it's less addicting.  Mainly because I can't farm A4 Hell or A1 Inferno and expect to find stuff to help me in A2 Inferno and beyond.  I have a glass cannon DH at A2 Inferno Belial and a Barb at the beginning of A2 Inferno.  They are basically stuck unless I farm gold to buy items in the AH.  That's really boring to me.  I've been slowly leveling the other classes and a solo Barb instead.

     

    I am eagerly awaiting 1.03, but any dreams I had of selling stuff on the RMAH are long dead thanks to the botters and the boredom of farming in the game in its current state.  The itemization and drops are terrible in D3 right now.

    AH (and especially RMAH) flat out kills the fun in the game.

    I made a point not to use AH. And am vastly underpowered compared to other people i meet in public games.

    On the end as you say you are forced to use AH, wich reduces the game to pointless gold farming - or even worse "pay money to win the game"

    And really , you really thought you will be able to compete with gold farmers on RMAH ?

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  • 7star7star SeoulPosts: 405Member
    Originally posted by zymurgeist

     You know I wish people would quit telling me I've done the impossible. It's going to make it hard to fit my head through doorways. I've done it. I'm not even that good, just persistant.

    That's impressive.

     

    So you're saying you beat the game killing Diablo in Inferno without resorting to the AH (either gold or RMAH)? Did you get lucky drops or just farm and get the items you needed? Did you roll DH or Wiz?

     

    What's your secret?

     

    How do you think patch 1.03 will affect the game?

     

    I'm not saying it can't be done, because I haven't got that far. It just seems like it would be impossible based on what I've experienced so far. I've bought a lot of stuff on the gold AH whenever I got stuck and it boosted me right through the sticky part, so easily. I usually look for the cheapest items with the stat upgrades I need so I usually dropped like 150,000 gold every 3-4 levels and ramping up since I hit the mid 40s...now at 57. I think this can work, with the gold ramping up to 250,000 to 500,000 for my DH. But for the Barb, decent weapons are millions and I just don't want to grind that.

     

    My barb is level 60 and parked in Act 1, inferno waiting for the DH to farm some gear/gold.  Don't know when that's gonna happen, though. :)

     

     

  • Z3R01Z3R01 NYC, NYPosts: 2,426Member

    Wizards were broken early when the game released. They had a bugged out skill that literally made them unkillable.

    The smart players knew this a rushed to the end of inferno before it was patched out.

    When you see a player in a forum say You dont need the AH for items to progress 9 time out of ten they were a Wizard pre-balance patch the other time they were a DH before their fix lol.

     

    As the game currently stands you can not clear all of Inferno Mode, I sad ALL OF INFERNO MODE by farming your own gear. its impossible. 

     

    Edit: Again! ALL OF INFERNO Mode = Explore every area, kill everything that you find. 

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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by 7star
    Originally posted by zymurgeist

     You know I wish people would quit telling me I've done the impossible. It's going to make it hard to fit my head through doorways. I've done it. I'm not even that good, just persistant.

    That's impressive.

     

    So you're saying you beat the game killing Diablo in Inferno without resorting to the AH (either gold or RMAH)? Did you get lucky drops or just farm and get the items you needed? Did you roll DH or Wiz?

     

    What's your secret?

     

    How do you think patch 1.03 will affect the game?

     

    I'm not saying it can't be done, because I haven't got that far. It just seems like it would be impossible based on what I've experienced so far. I've bought a lot of stuff on the gold AH whenever I got stuck and it boosted me right through the sticky part, so easily. I usually look for the cheapest items with the stat upgrades I need so I usually dropped like 150,000 gold every 3-4 levelsm and ramping up since I hit the mid 40s...now at 57. I think this can work, with the gold ramping up to 250,000 to 500,000 for my DH. But for the Barb, decent weapons are millions and I just don't want to grind that.

     

    My barb is level 60 and parked in Act 1, inferno waiting for the DH to farm some gear/gold.  Don't know when that's gonna happen, though. :)

     

     

     Do it with a demon hunter or witch doctor. It's just a matter of persistance and picking your fights when you can. It's difficult you can't just key spam your way through the mobs.  I think the auction house actually reduces replayability. The other thing is no law says you have to beat inferno in the first month, or ever. The ending doesn't change. If the difficulty of hell or even nightmare is enough for you play that for now. You'll eventually get to the point you wonder what the fuss was about and just do it. I played nightmare in D2 for almost ayear before even bothering with hell. I don't play D3 inferno much even now. It's just too much of a pain in the posterior.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,928Member Uncommon

    I, personally, find Diablo 3 very addictive. I am not able to compare it with D2 yet since it has not been out for so long.

    I have my wizard in Act 3 inferno waiting for 1.0.3. I would be able to continue, but it gets kind of frustrating with the gear I possess and I do not feel like grinding the gear considering they will increase the drop rates soon.

    There is one big problem with Diablo 3, for me, as well as for many others. It is the item system. Currently, we are chasing gear that gives +10 int/vit/dex/str which is no fun. I am considering waiting with my level 60 char until they implement more interesting gear like that we know from D2 (chance on hit, chance on being hit, auras, procs, etc...). To me, it just seems that hunting +10 vit/int/str/dex is a waste of time...

    I am currently leveling several hardcore characters which I find to be the real challenge. Got monk lvl 50 in Act IV nightmare atm..having a blast playing it :)

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

  • Z3R01Z3R01 NYC, NYPosts: 2,426Member
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by 7star
    Originally posted by zymurgeist

     You know I wish people would quit telling me I've done the impossible. It's going to make it hard to fit my head through doorways. I've done it. I'm not even that good, just persistant.

    That's impressive.

     

    So you're saying you beat the game killing Diablo in Inferno without resorting to the AH (either gold or RMAH)? Did you get lucky drops or just farm and get the items you needed? Did you roll DH or Wiz?

     

    What's your secret?

     

    How do you think patch 1.03 will affect the game?

     

    I'm not saying it can't be done, because I haven't got that far. It just seems like it would be impossible based on what I've experienced so far. I've bought a lot of stuff on the gold AH whenever I got stuck and it boosted me right through the sticky part, so easily. I usually look for the cheapest items with the stat upgrades I need so I usually dropped like 150,000 gold every 3-4 levelsm and ramping up since I hit the mid 40s...now at 57. I think this can work, with the gold ramping up to 250,000 to 500,000 for my DH. But for the Barb, decent weapons are millions and I just don't want to grind that.

     

    My barb is level 60 and parked in Act 1, inferno waiting for the DH to farm some gear/gold.  Don't know when that's gonna happen, though. :)

     

     

     Do it with a demon hunter or witch doctor. It's just a matter of persistance and picking your fights when you can. It's difficult you can't just key spam your way through the mobs.  I think the auction house actually reduces replayability. The other thing is no law says you have to beat inferno in the first month, or ever. The ending doesn't change. If the difficulty of hell or even nightmare is enough for you play that for now. You'll eventually get to the point you wonder what the fuss was about and just do it. I played nightmare in D2 for almost ayear before even bothering with hell. I don't play D3 inferno much even now. It's just too much of a pain in the posterior.

    You can beat Inferno with every class if you skip mobs. Thats never been the issue. Also it was much easier for DHs and Wiz pre-nerf. 

    I made a thread about loot drops and you told everyone that you cleared inferno after I said it was impossible to gear yourself and clear it without skipping mobs. 

    Yet now you're sayign you had to pick your fights? that's skipping mobs my friend.

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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Z3R01
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by 7star
    Originally posted by zymurgeist

     You know I wish people would quit telling me I've done the impossible. It's going to make it hard to fit my head through doorways. I've done it. I'm not even that good, just persistant.

    That's impressive.

     

    So you're saying you beat the game killing Diablo in Inferno without resorting to the AH (either gold or RMAH)? Did you get lucky drops or just farm and get the items you needed? Did you roll DH or Wiz?

     

    What's your secret?

     

    How do you think patch 1.03 will affect the game?

     

    I'm not saying it can't be done, because I haven't got that far. It just seems like it would be impossible based on what I've experienced so far. I've bought a lot of stuff on the gold AH whenever I got stuck and it boosted me right through the sticky part, so easily. I usually look for the cheapest items with the stat upgrades I need so I usually dropped like 150,000 gold every 3-4 levelsm and ramping up since I hit the mid 40s...now at 57. I think this can work, with the gold ramping up to 250,000 to 500,000 for my DH. But for the Barb, decent weapons are millions and I just don't want to grind that.

     

    My barb is level 60 and parked in Act 1, inferno waiting for the DH to farm some gear/gold.  Don't know when that's gonna happen, though. :)

     

     

     Do it with a demon hunter or witch doctor. It's just a matter of persistance and picking your fights when you can. It's difficult you can't just key spam your way through the mobs.  I think the auction house actually reduces replayability. The other thing is no law says you have to beat inferno in the first month, or ever. The ending doesn't change. If the difficulty of hell or even nightmare is enough for you play that for now. You'll eventually get to the point you wonder what the fuss was about and just do it. I played nightmare in D2 for almost ayear before even bothering with hell. I don't play D3 inferno much even now. It's just too much of a pain in the posterior.

    You can beat Inferno with every class if you skip mobs. Thats never been the issue. Also it was much easier for DHs and Wiz pre-nerf. 

    I made a thread about loot drops and you told everyone that you cleared inferno after I said it was impossible to gear yourself and clear it without skipping mobs. 

    Yet now you're sayign you had to pick your fights? that's skipping mobs my friend.

    I posted I cleared it third try on my WD. I did it without skipping any mobs or any resetting the game other than when I quit for the day. Still died a lot. Go back and read the post. Better players have done it much easier. I can't do it on my barb I'm just not that good, or patient. I can probably do it by twinking my barb but hell you might as well use the auction house for that. I prefer to play clean. With any luck after 1.03 I can.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

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