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Report: 38 Studios lays off entire staff

monarc333monarc333 New York, NYPosts: 611Member Uncommon

Check this article out. Its a report so not veryfied but if it is true, its a collossal failure. Ive been following this company from inception and its really, really sad to see this happen. Lets hope this report is not true.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/24/report-38-studios-lays-off-entire-staff

 

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  • fenistilfenistil GliwicePosts: 3,005Member

    It is proably true.

     

    Various sites reports + some former workers tweeters & blogs confirm it as well.

     

    Also there is rumor (source : kotaku) that 38 studios did not play nice with not paying & not telling that workers health insurance is going to end like tommorow.

     

    http://kotaku.com/5913102/rumor-38-studios-shutting-down-big-huge-games

  • BrenelaelBrenelael Warren, MEPosts: 3,996Member

    It seems it's been verified. 38 Studios is going under.

     

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  • MaelkorMaelkor Friendswood, TXPosts: 465Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by fenistil

    It is true.

     

    Various sites reports + some former workers tweeters & blogs confirm it as well.

     

    Also there is rumor that 38 studios did not play nice with not paying & not telling that workers health insurance is going to end like tommorow.

    All the more reason to buy your own health insurance and be responsible for yourself. It definately sucks to lose one's job, however, in the volatile gaming industry one should expect this to happen from time to time and to prepare for it as best you can.

  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member
    Damn, sad news. I always hate to see this and 38 stidios held a lot of promise.

    Here's hoping that the employees land on their feet.

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  • MosesZDMosesZD Kirkwood, MOPosts: 1,383Member
    Originally posted by Maelkor
    Originally posted by fenistil

    It is true.

     

    Various sites reports + some former workers tweeters & blogs confirm it as well.

     

    Also there is rumor that 38 studios did not play nice with not paying & not telling that workers health insurance is going to end like tommorow.

    All the more reason to buy your own health insurance and be responsible for yourself. It definately sucks to lose one's job, however, in the volatile gaming industry one should expect this to happen from time to time and to prepare for it as best you can.

     

    That's so funny....     Most of my clients that buy their own health insurance pay between 12K and 24K a year.   When you're a solo proprietor or partner in a small firm..   You don't get good deals.   You pay through the nose.

     

    Now, if you're 21 and buy crap policies... Yeah, sure...    But it's not practical for the average family.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,750Member Uncommon

        The payroll for this company must have been insane....I heard they had around 380 or so employees, and when you consider the big names among some of them it was way too much....Curt had good intentions Im sure but he was in wayyyyy over his head.

  • WereLlamaWereLlama Lubbock, TXPosts: 243Member

    What a tragedy.

    Schilling was awesome to watch in the world series, bloody ankle and all.

    Alas, he clearly was no business leader.   300+ is  a crazy amount of employees for a new company.

    Im sure Im not the only one who is wondering what they 'could have' done with 50+ million dollars to make an online game.

    Im thinking a mmorpg diablo clone that runs on the iphone.

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  • GI05GI05 Providence, RIPosts: 17Member

    I'm f*ck now their bill is gonna come out my taxes.

  • RockhideRockhide Chicagoland, ILPosts: 155Member

    The fact that nobody came in to rescue the Copernicus project doesn't seem to say anything very positive about how it was being developed and/or what state it's currently in, despite claims that we could be playing it within the year.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,211Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by dubyahite
    Damn, sad news. I always hate to see this and 38 stidios held a lot of promise.

    Here's hoping that the employees land on their feet.

    Yep, what a drag.  I also thought they had a lot of promise.

  • LateBrake1LateBrake1 san diego, CAPosts: 54Member

    10 years ago I spent countless days and nights playing Big Huge Games classic RTS called Rise of Nations which, I feel, was one of the best RTS's of all time. I would put it right up there with Starcraft 2. Matter of fact I preferr it OVER Starcraft 2. I prayed that Big Huge Games would make a sequel to this game and felt they could have really carved out a good niche for themselves as a top developer of quality RTS's ala Blizzard in some respects.  They made a sequel called Rise of Nations Rise of Legends but it was set in sort of a fantasy world. The original was so great becuase you get full Air(stealth bombers, fighter jets..), land (tanks, infantry, ect) and sea (nuke subs even).

    Instead after years of silence I hear they are secretly working on an RPG and they  hired the famous Ken Rolston(sp?) who helped develop the story Elder Scrolls title. As if just hiring the writter is an instant win, it's not!. KOA was in development for YEARS and as we've seen 330,000 copies sold where they needed to sell about 3million. BHG why, oh why, did you deviate from the RTS field?? We've got enough RPG with elves, goblins and magic but you had the market cornered on RTS based on real life military units. Not to mention they completly innovated with things like civilization borders.

    Too bad BGH you could have been great had you just embraced your roots!

     

    RON gameplay to remember better days of BHG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZEmhxXuu5o&feature=related

     

  • ComafComaf Chicago, ILPosts: 1,154Member Common

    What a loss to the potential for a truly creative mmorpg.

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans BergenPosts: 2,273Member

    In a way I was a bit sceptical about this company. Their first projects were super ambitious, the single player game and then the MMO. For a company that hasn't made any games whatsoever, that's a huge challenge, most developers now start with a phone app or PSN downloadable game and then move up from there.

    Also, "almost 400 developers". Jesus christ, for a starting developer that's SO huge. Lots of the best developer studios don't even have that many.

  • SorrowSorrow St Pete, FLPosts: 1,195Member
    Originally posted by Rockhide

    The fact that nobody came in to rescue the Copernicus project doesn't seem to say anything very positive about how it was being developed and/or what state it's currently in, despite claims that we could be playing it within the year.

    Not always true,  if they let it go into bankruptcy, and the assets are surrendered to the state as it looks like they will be. Someone could come in and pick it up for pennies on the dollar.

     

    Also do not count 38 out yet, many companies in new england are sneaky corrupt bastards.

    They will intentionally tank a publically held company to throw off the debt, private investors, and any stock holders. Then they turn around and restructure it as a private entity.

    This has happened so many times to me lately its not even funny, whats worse is its legal through loopholes in many of them damn yankee states.

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  • AxehiltAxehilt San Francisco, CAPosts: 8,742Member Uncommon

    Really sad day, as I knew most of the people working at BHG (also laid off) personally.

    Although a fellow ex-BHGer had this sort of amazing observation: Copernicus died May 24, 1543

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,984Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rockhide

    The fact that nobody came in to rescue the Copernicus project doesn't seem to say anything very positive about how it was being developed and/or what state it's currently in, despite claims that we could be playing it within the year.

    To be fair is it possible that someone wait a little while to do that so they could get a good price, SOE could do it to mention one company, like they did with Vanguard.

    But it seems like the game is rather like Wow and most companines seems to have realized that the genre need something new.

  • ZylaxxZylaxx Erlanger, KYPosts: 2,574Member
    Originally posted by Loke666
    Originally posted by Rockhide

    The fact that nobody came in to rescue the Copernicus project doesn't seem to say anything very positive about how it was being developed and/or what state it's currently in, despite claims that we could be playing it within the year.

    To be fair is it possible that someone wait a little while to do that so they could get a good price, SOE could do it to mention one company, like they did with Vanguard.

    But it seems like the game is rather like Wow and most companines seems to have realized that the genre need something new.

    I hope your right but Im not gonna hold my breath on that one.

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  • GruugGruug Chillicothe, ILPosts: 1,311Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    Wait what???

    The State Lend the game company $75 Million Dollars that they can't re pay did I hear that right?

    Why the hell, would the state lend that much money to a business that can't repay it, and not only that but its interesting how the United States OF America has so much debt right now and how did we get the money to lend it to their company?

    Print More Money we don't have?

    Lets not forget did everyone in the U.S whose Tax Payers Dollars Vote for this, this is absolutely disgusting... $75 Million Dollars for a video game that failed my god...

    Seriously how much are these developers getting paid at minimum wage $8-$9 an hour for that many years comes out to $75 Million Dollars?

    Am I seeing something wrong here?

     

    Your biggest mistake in your comments is that you are assuming that it is the U.S. government that lent 38 studios the money. I was not. It was a STATE (which one slips my memory at the moment) that lent them the money. U.S. taxpayers are not responsible...unless the STATE in question asks for a bailout from big brother.

    Unfortunately, many STATES do this sort of thing. They lend money or give tax breaks to various companies for all sorts of reasons....some NOT for the betterment of society or business. I would have had much better feeling about 38 Studios if they had gotten all of their seed money from regular investors and not from a STATE. Less reason to question ethics and all. 

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  • JakardJakard 98390, WAPosts: 415Member

    It's sad news. Feel bad for the entire staff.

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Gimpy, NVPosts: 192Member
    Originally posted by Byteboy

    10 years ago I spent countless days and nights playing Big Huge Games classic RTS called Rise of Nations which, I feel, was one of the best RTS's of all time. I would put it right up there with Starcraft 2. Matter of fact I preferr it OVER Starcraft 2. I prayed that Big Huge Games would make a sequel to this game and felt they could have really carved out a good niche for themselves as a top developer of quality RTS's ala Blizzard in some respects.  They made a sequel called Rise of Nations Rise of Legends but it was set in sort of a fantasy world. The original was so great becuase you get full Air(stealth bombers, fighter jets..), land (tanks, infantry, ect) and sea (nuke subs even).

    Instead after years of silence I hear they are secretly working on an RPG and they  hired the famous Ken Rolston(sp?) who helped develop the story Elder Scrolls title. As if just hiring the writter is an instant win, it's not!. KOA was in development for YEARS and as we've seen 330,000 copies sold where they needed to sell about 3million. BHG why, oh why, did you deviate from the RTS field?? We've got enough RPG with elves, goblins and magic but you had the market cornered on RTS based on real life military units. Not to mention they completly innovated with things like civilization borders.

    Too bad BGH you could have been great had you just embraced your roots!

     

    RON gameplay to remember better days of BHG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZEmhxXuu5o&feature=related

     

     Been over 16 years since I started playing RTS games.  SC2 is easily one of the worst out there.

  • maplestonemaplestone Ottawa, ONPosts: 3,099Member

    Not a studio I've been following, but my sympathies to all affected.  I hope everyone lands on their feet.

  • joocheesejoocheese San Antonio, TXPosts: 845Member
    Originally posted by maplestone

    Not a studio I've been following, but my sympathies to all affected.  I hope everyone lands on their feet.

    Agreed... for all the hate that I feel towards EA Games, Bioware and to a certain degree Blizzard, I never want any of the honest good and hard working devs to lose their jobs. As for Ghostcrawler, pardon my French but he can go to Hell.

  • RockhideRockhide Chicagoland, ILPosts: 155Member
    Originally posted by Sorrow
    Originally posted by Rockhide

    The fact that nobody came in to rescue the Copernicus project doesn't seem to say anything very positive about how it was being developed and/or what state it's currently in, despite claims that we could be playing it within the year.

    Not always true,  if they let it go into bankruptcy, and the assets are surrendered to the state as it looks like they will be. Someone could come in and pick it up for pennies on the dollar.

     

    Also do not count 38 out yet, many companies in new england are sneaky corrupt bastards.

    They will intentionally tank a publically held company to throw off the debt, private investors, and any stock holders. Then they turn around and restructure it as a private entity.

    This has happened so many times to me lately its not even funny, whats worse is its legal through loopholes in many of them damn yankee states.

     

    Nowhere did I say the project was dead.

     

    I agree, somebody will likely buy up the assets -- they're too potentially valuable to go to waste --  but because they didn't arrange a deal before everybody got axed, they won't be gaining the development team that made it.

     

    There are numerous examples of studios being bought out with the staff to some degree intact to enable them to continue working on existing projects or to exploit their talents in other areas. That's obviously not the case here.

     

    38 Studios, for example, retained about 60% of Big Huge games' development team to help finish Reckoning, retrofitted for the Amalur setting.  Conversely, whoever scoops up Copernicus is starting with 0% (more than likely of course, people like Schilling, Salvator, and Rolston would be happy to consult, but there's no knowing where many of the people 'on the ground' will be when the project gets started again).

     

    The business decision to acquire the Copernicus assets as cheaply as possible obviously trumped any number of development considerations I guess is what I'm saying. Would that decision have been made if the development team were doing such a great job and the game was in such great shape at this point in time?   IMO that seems unlikely, though of course I'm not privy to the discussions going on in corporate board rooms.

     

  • ozmonoozmono Not tellingPosts: 1,211Member

    KoA would have been a huge disappointment had I ever expected that it would contribute anything significant to the RPG genre.

     

    They essentially tried to replicate what worked but was already showing it's age in an MMO and tried to port it over to a single player game. Why anyone would do this is beyond me. Single player RPGs as a solo activity offer so much more than MMOs. Not only did they get it backwards but they were so confident in this idea that they thought the IP would than be worth launching an MMO shortly afterwards. It still seems ridiculous to me that people (especially highly thought of “experts”) could invest so much into such a backwards concept.

  • fadisfadis funkg, GAPosts: 469Member

    Don't care.

     

    38 Studios made one very forgettable game and were likely on their way (if they ever could've finished the project) to releasing an equally derivative MMO.

     

    If disasters like this and TOR discourage uninspired mega-corp efforts... I'm all for it.  I used to feel differently, but now I feel like the more $$$ involved, the less creativity and risk-taking we'll find in the game. 

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