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This statement speaks volumes.
It says that you don't care about the quality of the game, merely about the perceived hype. It says that you are willing to discount the game without any consideration for its merits.
Someone who admits that their primary consideration for whether or not to play a game has nothing to do with the quality of the game itself has proven that their opinions of the game are worthless.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
Do you play or plan to play GW2? It sounds like you were not in the beta and if you were you really didnt play it...
1. I dont see how inexperience = complaints especially when the product is still in beta. Lets re-visit when the game releases and this might carry some more weight.
2. I dont see the signifigance of the 'WOW' crowd or even how you define them. Anybody who ever played WOW? Second, GW2 is a B2P game so once you purchase there is no more financial commitment. What financial pressure would they be bowing to? They already said they want to 'change things up' so I would imagine even if your 'WOW' crowd complained they would be respectfully ignored... this game was not made for them.
3. So if you are selling something you are supposed to say your product is mediocre? That makes no sense to me. I would expect a paid marketing executive to sell the hell out of the product they are pushing. The onus has always been on the consumer to know the difference between whats real and whats fluff. That has been declining recently.
4. We know everything about end game. It doesnt exist! When you reach level 80, you just keep playing. Thats why gear is cosmetic. Also another point that makes me believe you havent played or invested in the game. If you had, you would have known this. Comparing GW to GW2 isnt wise and doesnt provide useful information.
5. Copying is the greatest form of flattery. Wow has been experiencing it for years. It was fun. Some of us, myself included, want something different. From playing Beta GW2 is delivering. It would be great if another developer copied GW2 and used say a sci-fi theme changing it up a bit. But it would be better if developers took away that its OK to be innovative and to do something completely different.
We are all gamers, but we are all not the same. We all like different things and trying to please all gamers at once will lead to failure. Its almost like we are moving towards having more MMORPGs but of a smaller calibre to reach dedicated and committed player bases.
Which is better? Having 3M+ subs that fall off in six months until you are struggling, or to have a solid 200-300K subs that carry over for years?
I vote the latter.
I think the SWTOR developers are bioware were IGNORANT not ARROGANT. They simply ignored the gaming community and built the game they felt would be best. Cant fault them for their prerogative, but at the same time they are the blame for the demise (or lack of popularity). Seeing how its Star Wars it will probably do ok.
sometimes the two go hand in hand and when that happens bad things can happen hence SWTOR..
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
^This. I also think that what kill games is community, especially in a game like GW2 which has WvWvW, immagine having little kids (or old people with the mentality of an elementary kid) roaming around insulting each other becouse they didn't do this or that. But also immagine a community that doesn't participate in chat or socialize, but who just cares about completing an event then move on the next one. The game is yet to be released (months from now) so its still too early to talk about community, but from what i've seen in the first BWE and the stress test, we are on the right way to build a decent one.
I don't know about that, the community in wow is pretty horrid on many servers I played years ago and game has been doing just fine.. i think badly designed games aiming to capitalize on others games features kill games. Yes wow is a themepark clone but was first to actually bring all those ideas together in a mainstream type game.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Then maybe i was on a nice server (Kilrogg Eu) though yes there where some idiots like in other games; but in pvp or raids (even some pugs) there was a pretty solid and decent community (i quit it right before Cataclysm). So if i were to list all the problems that coused me to quit it i would't mention community as one of them.
well how many servers does wow have? some are bound to be better than others.. also lineage 2 had a horrid community and game did pretty well for itself.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
umm, seriously? Yes I do think the genre has been stagnate. Everything has been a wow clone with a gimmik attached. Even the legendary Mythic fell into the "beat them at their own game" trap that has seen mmo after mmo relegated to wannabe status.
There is nothing entirely new in GW2 but GW2 itself is new because it harnesses progressive ideas from the mmo library and meshes them together into a product that we haven't seen before.
triple faction, siege, destroyable geometry,competitve, open world pvp (ala DAOC)
Competitive esport style battleground pvp
Dynamic events
non competitive, community style pve, reward system.
no pressure, storyline system.
no monthly fee
It's clearly built with community creation in mind. It's clearly built for cooperation amongst server mates and competition between servers.
This is a new beast we have here.
I think community in GW2 will play a major role in its every aspect, so if it is bad it'll affect the game as a wole but thats my personal impression.
Communities do not destroy games. Quite the contrary, they define them, horrid or not. Also, you have the tools to sort out the part of the community you want to be exposed to. It's very easy to do some research and find a group of people you'd be interested in playing with, via a guild, alliance or whatever.
What kills games are the games themselves. Take WAR as an example. It is a rock-solid IP, older and wealthier audience. All that was needed was a game that worked within the lore frame of Fantasy Warhammer and that played decently. Since it didn't happen, no form of fan dedication could save it from failure. The gameplay and entertainment was simply not there.
At the same time, if you have an inexperienced company with a brand new IP, but with a solid, fun game, it WILL grow and flourish. Case in point, CCP and EVE.
He is not arrogant he is right, and rift and warhammer's public events pitted people against one another and did not reward them for working together hell in rift most people avoided public events....that shows they failed in the basic design ....having played GW2 people can't get enough of the public events....see the difference....don't like it don't play it.....OP seriously take a chill pill its not that big of a deal.
Many many gamers are sick of the status quo in the mmo industry why do you think swtor and wow are so hated cause we are sick of doing the same crap over and over again...
I had the best beta experience as far as people helping then any other MMO i can remember ever, so that speaks well for the start of it. People didn't communicate much but everyone was helping eachother complete DE's, heart quests, using their rez on anyone who was down.. was really a sight to see to be honest.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Yes especially in WvW we were able to coordinate ourselves pretty well even though we were perfect strangers, so as of now i can say that GW2 has a pretty mature community, we will see in the next bwe and after release if it'll improve even more or worsen when the playerbase will increase.
I found most people friendly as well, but anything one way or the other are just guesses until a few months after launch.
Beta community is not the same thing as the real community that start to form after launch.
I saw someone post a story about a DE where he stumbled upon a farm and there were mobs attacking. He spoke to the farmer and decided to help him defend the farm.
Once the mobs are killed does the DE restart?
true but generally beta, especially an open type beta, community is way worse than once money becomes involved.. but actually since only pre-purchased could access it makes sense the community was better than most betas I have played in.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
after a set amount of time yes.. if not no one else would get a chance to play through them.. I'd look on youtube and watch some of the DE's to see how they play out.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Sorry to be a latecomer to this thread, but $0.02 incoming.
Is GW2 innovative? Looks like it, at least so far. Is it a radical departure? No, we won't see that with what is currently possible with computers.
I don't blame game development companies for refusing to innovate. As the article quoted by the OP points out, innovation is risky. However, as far as my continued interest in online games goes, it was time for a company to try to step outside of the mold.
I enjoyed Rift for a time. As has been noted, rifts and invasions were the only things different about it. That didn't stop Trion from hyping how innovative and different Rift was going to be. I remember, because that hype convinced me to give it a try. All developers hype their games, talking about the features they think will appeal to potential customers. Blaming a developer for talking up what's different about a game is like blaming Pepsi for advertising how much better it is than Coke.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
I actually saw that event live. Im not sure what heppens if you suceed the event since I ended up moving on afterwards into the cave were the thiefs came from(When they start retreiting they go back into their cave). But, I did get to see what happens when you fail(although maybe not all the details). What happened to me was that after I failed helping out the farmer I decided to run and stumbled upon a little village close by. I started doing some activities in the village and all of the sudden the farmer showed up in the middle of the town with all of his cattle(~12 of them), so he was pretty hard to miss. He was asking for help to get his farm back from the bandits and a pretty good size group of us went over to take it back.
I LOVED this, when have you seen in an MMO 1. Decide to just fail a "quest" 2. An NPC goes into a town asking for help?!
Thank-you for the answer. Gonna have a look.
Does the DE change everytime it runs, or is it the samething every time?
Would it be fair to say that this DE would be akin to a repeatable quest on a timer?
Well I agree what Mr Lye had to say about the genre. Anyone who has been playing mmos knows for the most part this is true. MMOs are just bad, plain and simple. Theyall have good launches but they die out within 5 months. No soul, no styaing power to keep players interested for the long term. It is the lack of vision most developers have. I'm not saying GW2 will walk on water here either and I'm honestly not sure GW2 will have long term success. We'll see.
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no.. they vary because some are tiered and if you fail on a part other things will happen read the post above by kuppa.. but i suppoes in a way yes because once its finnaly complete it will repeat.. so guess it's yes and no
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Though I feel you are trolling/baiting, I'll bite-
Yes the DE do change based on player population (more/less or easier/harder mobs etc.) but beyond that they are the same every time.
You could say that in a very literal sense that they are repeatable quests, but many/most are not based on a timer but instead based on conditions in the world as many/most DE's are chained events with multiple parts.
Unless they were all 100% developer run, live, (GM events) or the genre sees a massive advancement in AI technology (would take stupid amounts of processing power too) it's pretty much going to be "the best" it can get with current tech.
If I had a penny for every MMO that said "we are not like WOW" I could retire by now. Every single one of them copied something from WOW - including ArenaNet. What ticks me off about ArenaNet is that they are saying we are totally innovative. In a sows ear! You are correct - Dynamic Events are a direct copy of that excellent WOW clone RIFT. As much as I like what I have seen in the GW2 BWE the more I hear from ArenaNet the less enthused I get with the game. I am at the point that I prefer to play D3. It is probably just as well that there is no GW2 beta weekend this weekend. I would rather play D3!