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Headline: Elder Scrolls Online - The most negatively received "reveal" in MMORPG history

NomadMorlockNomadMorlock N/A, VAPosts: 593Member Uncommon

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.



Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.



With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".



At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         

 

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  • LizardEgyptLizardEgypt Yarmouth, NSPosts: 337Member

    Originally posted by morlock9

    Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.



    Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.



    With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".



    At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         

     

    I hope, and I hope they learn from it too.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon

    I blame SWTOR.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,118Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by morlock9

    Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.



    Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.



    With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".



    At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         

     

    ...and you're basing that on the responses from the boards on this website?  No surprise there, knowing that many of the lurkers here are devoted to sandbox / action games.  I don't see much if any negativity on other websites in regards to the release, with exception to MMORPG.com as usual.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,905Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by colddog04

    I blame SWTOR.

    I blame years of dreaming and expectation. It's sad that a Dev team can't strike out to find it's own identity, and be acknowledged good or bad for what it is rather than what it's not.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • NomadMorlockNomadMorlock N/A, VAPosts: 593Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    Originally posted by morlock9

    Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.



    Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.



    With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".



    At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         

     

    ...and you're basing that on the responses from the boards on this website?  No surprise there, knowing that many of the lurkers here are devoted to sandbox / action games.  I don't see much if any negativity on other websites in regards to the release, with exception to MMORPG.com as usual.

    Actually you should view the Bethesda Forums for the Elder Scrolls Online

     

    http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/

  • ThorqemadaThorqemada BerlinPosts: 1,277Member Uncommon

    The MMORPG columnist nailed it incidentaly when writing about "Azeroth: Elder Scrolls Edition".^^

    "Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"

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  • comic1973comic1973 los angeles, CAPosts: 16Member

    I'm extremely disappointed.

     

    Sounds like they just want to cash in on the Elder Scroll name just like Star Wars and SWTOR. 

     

    I want an open world MMORPG, not a single player MMO like SWTOR or TESO disguised as a MMO

  • SinakuSinaku Austin, TXPosts: 481Member Uncommon

    "Let me put it this way...

    You found some cheese, and it was AWESOME.
    So you were given another type of cheese, and it was good too.
    And another type of cheese, and it was pretty good.
    And another.
    And antoher.
    And another.
    And now you're kinda getting tired of cheese, you'd like some other kind of food.
    Well, this AWESOME bread company known for their ab-so-lute-ly DELICIOUS types of fancy bread has come to you, and you're like, "SWEET, BREAD!". But they offer you a sample from their new cheese line.


    This is how we feel. We wanted something that's not cheese, and the bread guys showed up. We got excited, but were let down when they offered more cheese"

    Best quote I have read from the Bethesda TESO forum haha

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,905Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Thorqemada

    The MMORPG columnist nailed it incidentaly when writing about "Azeroth: Elder Scrolls Edition".^^

    How is this like WOW? Don't understand...

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,905Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by comic1973

    I want an open world MMORPG, not a single player MMO like SWTOR or TESO disguised as a MMO

    Last I checked it was open world, I mean if we're going to go by the vagueness of the details, at least get those right.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Los Angeles, CAPosts: 2,555Member

    Originally posted by colddog04

    I blame SWTOR.

    Blame WoW

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Distopia

    Originally posted by colddog04

    I blame SWTOR.

    I blame years of dreaming and expectation. It's sad that a Dev team can't strike out to find it's own identity, and be acknowledged good or bad for what it is rather than what it's not.

    I just mean that SWTOR changed the way a lot of people view releases now - independant of actual quality of game. If SWTOR never came out, I think the news about the systems in place wouldn't have been taken so harshly. People see another clone instead of another game.

     

    Although, for me personally, I am fairly disappointed by what I've seen. I feel like they aren't really bringing anything to the table we haven't seen. And it does feel like they are falling into a lot of old MMORPG tropes.

  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member

    I am not a big player of their games, but I was hoping for something that was going to be somewhat different...I hate to even say, due to everyone argues what things mean, but something like original EQ, but modern, before all the instancing...Something sandboxish, or a hybrid....

     

    I guess I will wait and see, but yeah it is a let down, and from the reaction, not a lot of people are excited by the 'vision'.

     

     

  • ChuckanarChuckanar johnson city, TNPosts: 210Member Uncommon

    So why did they waste a lot of money in court getting the rights to Fallout back just to announce they will try and make a MMO out of there Elder scrolls genre. Makes no financial sense to me.

  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member

    What do they expect? This is possibly the biggest slap in the face any company has ever dealt to their fans.

  • SinakuSinaku Austin, TXPosts: 481Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Chuckanar
    So why did they waste a lot of money in court getting the rights to Fallout back just to announce they will try and make a MMO out of there Elder scrolls genre. Makes no financial sense to me.

    They have the funds to do both. TES is more popular right now with the release of Skyrim I believe. It's all about big money. Lets make a generic game the casuals can play and that the true MMO lovers still get shit on.
  • QuicklyScottQuicklyScott BristolPosts: 433Member

    Originally posted by Sinaku

    "Let me put it this way...

    You found some cheese, and it was AWESOME.

    So you were given another type of cheese, and it was good too.

    And another type of cheese, and it was pretty good.

    And another.

    And antoher.

    And another.

    And now you're kinda getting tired of cheese, you'd like some other kind of food.

    Well, this AWESOME bread company known for their ab-so-lute-ly DELICIOUS types of fancy bread has come to you, and you're like, "SWEET, BREAD!". But they offer you a sample from their new cheese line.



    This is how we feel. We wanted something that's not cheese, and the bread guys showed up. We got excited, but were let down when they offered more cheese"

    Best quote I have read from the Bethesda TESO forum haha

    That was phenomenal.  Totally sums it up.

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  • EliandalEliandal Chelmsford, ONPosts: 796Member

    Originally posted by Chuckanar

    So why did they waste a lot of money in court getting the rights to Fallout back just to announce they will try and make a MMO out of there Elder scrolls genre. Makes no financial sense to me.

     

      There was a very specific reason for the lawsuit.  It is never a waste of money to protect your trademark.

  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Riverside, RIPosts: 3,266Member Uncommon

    Let me guess. Someone stole your sweet roll.

    After seeing the "features" of this game, they seem to have stolen mine as well................

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  • kingotnwkingotnw Minneapolis, MNPosts: 103Member

    Originally posted by morlock9

    Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.



    Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.



    With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".



    At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         

     

    Makes no sense at all...

     

    Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...

     

    UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...

     

    WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...

     

    ...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member

    Originally posted by remyburke

    Let me guess. Someone stole your sweet roll.

    After seeing the "features" of this game, they seem to have stolen mine as well................

    They didn't just steal my roll they also pissed in my cheerios.

  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by kingotnw

    Originally posted by morlock9

    Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.



    Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.



    With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".



    At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         

     

    Makes no sense at all...

     

    Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...

     

    UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...

     

    WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...

     

    ...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

    Well I think the problem is at this point Dark Fall seems to be more of what people would expect an ES mmo to play like than ESO. I am not talking about the sandbox elements or FFA PvP.

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member

    Like I've said, people were going to be upset no matter what Zenimax decided to do from a design aspect.  A lot of the TES games just don't translate well to the MMO genre.  Some things were going to have to be changed for the greater good. 

     

    Personally, I'm fine with a lot of the changes.  Though, I'm not sure about the faction play.  Though, in order to stay true to the racism in TES games, factions had to be made.  The players aren't going to actually roleplay that kind of stuff.  I'm very upset over the exclusion of player housing.  Yet again, another development team has swung and missed on the importance of player property within a game space.  It's truely sad.  The only TES game I could get into was Skyrim.  I absolutely hate FPV.  For me, it breaks immersion.  It is just as unrealistic as TPV.  You have no peripheral vision in FPV games.  That and most people don't like it in MMO's because you can't keep track of your surroundings.  Yet 'PvP' games love to adopt the viewpoint, then proceed to wonder why no one wants to play their game.  It's laughable.  I'm just hoping it isn't TOO MUCH like WoW.  There's a reason I'm not playing WoW.  If ESO doesn't distinguish itself from what we've seen over and over again, I'm not even going to waste my time.

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,863Member Uncommon


    You gotta love loud minorities...

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,276Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by colddog04

    I blame SWTOR.

    This is truer than some might believe. 

    Blame WoW 4 years ago the whole world thought that game would grow forever. That that model could not lose. I damn near think someone did it on purpose.

    side note - Look how good Trion world looks. Timing is everything. How the heck did they get that game out so quick at just the right time for a fraction of the budget. 

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