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Seems like the game has peaked on XFire - Part 2

AmanaAmana New York, NYModerator Posts: 3,912 Uncommon

Continuation of this thread: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/Seems-like-the-game-has-peaked-on-XFire.html

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  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownMember Posts: 3,452 Uncommon
    2921 from todays figures, I guess we need one of Metentso's graphs so we can continue our observations.
  • RasputinRasputin gnaf, AKMember Posts: 602 Uncommon

    This thread already doesn't load in non-IE browsers.

    MMORPG, you have to fix this, so it is not possible to input the bad data.

  • tuppe99tuppe99 Dark side of the moonMember Posts: 278 Uncommon
    Oh my word, now we know that all the staff of this site uses IE and not one of the meaner and leaner alternatives... ;)
  • RodimusPrimeRodimusPrime dickson, TNMember Posts: 114

    Originally posted by Rasputin

    This thread already doesn't load in non-IE browsers.
    MMORPG, you have to fix this, so it is not possible to input the bad data.

     Maybe it's the threads way of saying, "Let me die".

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadMember Posts: 2,278 Uncommon

    I had to reinstall IE just to view this.

    The original thread is fine now, that can be viewed in Firefox NO PROBLEM as admin fixed it.

    Obviously the problem is not it being too many pages.

  • RasputinRasputin gnaf, AKMember Posts: 602 Uncommon

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    I had to reinstall IE just to view this.
    The original thread is fine now, that can be viewed in Firefox NO PROBLEM as admin fixed it.
    Obviously the problem is not it being too many pages.

     No, the problem is invalid characters, the admin told me.

    They have to block invalid characters in the editor, or this problem will just pop up again and again.

     

    It seems that IE is more tolerant, but maybe not so strange, seeing that IE has a notorious history of breaking the HTML standard.

  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member Posts: 3,309 Rare

    Posted by Metentso:

     


    DAY

    DATE

    # players

    % same day prev. week

    % from max

    notes

    Sunday

    01/04/12

    3911

    -9,53%

    -66,86%

    Monday

    02/04/12

    3587

    -4,95%

    -69,60%

    Tuesday

    03/04/12

    3389

    -8,85%

    -71,28%

    Wednesday

    04/04/12

    3458

    -5,44%

    -70,69%

    Thursday

    05/04/12

    3465

    -4,76%

    -70,64%

    Friday

    06/04/12

    3532

    0,68%

    -70,07%

    free week end

    Saturday

    07/04/12

    3570

    -3,98%

    -69,75%

    aprox

    Sunday

    08/04/12

    4009

    2,51%

    -66,03%

    Monday

    09/04/12

    3539

    -1,34%

    -70,01%

    Tuesday

    10/04/12

    3329

    -1,77%

    -71,79%

    Wednesday

    11/04/12

    3371

    -2,52%

    -71,43%

    Thursday

    12/04/12

    3989

    15,12%

    -66,19%

    jebus patch

    Friday

    13/04/12

    3836

    8,61%

    -67,49%

    Saturday

    14/04/12

    4213

    18,01%

    -64,30%

    Sunday

    15/04/12

    4372

    9,05%

    -62,95%

    Monday

    16/04/12

    4006

    13,20%

    -66,05%

    Tuesday

    17/04/12

    3827

    14,96%

    -67,57%

    Wednesday

    18/04/12

    3904

    15,81%

    -66,92%

    Thursday

    19/04/12

    3794

    -4,89%

    -67,85%

    Friday

    20/04/12

    3652

    -4,80%

    -69,05%

    Saturday

    21/04/12

    3699

    -12,20%

    -68,65%

    Sunday

    22/04/12

    3840

    -12,17%

    -67,46%

    Monday

    23/04/12

    3434

    -14,28%

    -70,90%

    Tuesday

    24/04/12

    3179

    -16,93%

    -73,06%

    lowest ever

    Wednesday

    25/04/12

    3184

    -18,44%

    -73,02%

    Thursday

    26/04/12

    3217

    -15,21%

    -72,74%

     


    Copy of the graph is somewhat large! Have to add in the more recent data if necessary.


    The more recent numbers certainly seems to have broken the 3,000 barrier however despite all the promotion.


     


    Ah I have it!


     


    EA's promotion is specifically designed to attract only those people who do not use XFire; how could I have failed to see this? (cough)

  • TUX426TUX426 Madison, WIMember Posts: 1,907

    Originally posted by gervaise1

    Posted by Metentso:
     




    DAY

    DATE

    # players

    % same day prev. week

    % from max

    notes



    Sunday

    01/04/12

    3911

    -9,53%

    -66,86%



    Monday

    02/04/12

    3587

    -4,95%

    -69,60%



    Tuesday

    03/04/12

    3389

    -8,85%

    -71,28%



    Wednesday

    04/04/12

    3458

    -5,44%

    -70,69%



    Thursday

    05/04/12

    3465

    -4,76%

    -70,64%



    Friday

    06/04/12

    3532

    0,68%

    -70,07%

    free week end



    Saturday

    07/04/12

    3570

    -3,98%

    -69,75%

    aprox



    Sunday

    08/04/12

    4009

    2,51%

    -66,03%



    Monday

    09/04/12

    3539

    -1,34%

    -70,01%



    Tuesday

    10/04/12

    3329

    -1,77%

    -71,79%



    Wednesday

    11/04/12

    3371

    -2,52%

    -71,43%



    Thursday

    12/04/12

    3989

    15,12%

    -66,19%

    jebus patch



    Friday

    13/04/12

    3836

    8,61%

    -67,49%



    Saturday

    14/04/12

    4213

    18,01%

    -64,30%



    Sunday

    15/04/12

    4372

    9,05%

    -62,95%



    Monday

    16/04/12

    4006

    13,20%

    -66,05%



    Tuesday

    17/04/12

    3827

    14,96%

    -67,57%



    Wednesday

    18/04/12

    3904

    15,81%

    -66,92%



    Thursday

    19/04/12

    3794

    -4,89%

    -67,85%



    Friday

    20/04/12

    3652

    -4,80%

    -69,05%



    Saturday

    21/04/12

    3699

    -12,20%

    -68,65%



    Sunday

    22/04/12

    3840

    -12,17%

    -67,46%



    Monday

    23/04/12

    3434

    -14,28%

    -70,90%



    Tuesday

    24/04/12

    3179

    -16,93%

    -73,06%

    lowest ever



    Wednesday

    25/04/12

    3184

    -18,44%

    -73,02%



    Thursday

    26/04/12

    3217

    -15,21%

    -72,74%




     

    Copy of the graph is somewhat large! Have to add in the more recent data if necessary.

    The more recent numbers certainly seems to have broken the 3,000 barrier however despite all the promotion.

     

    Ah I have it!

     

    EA's promotion is specifically designed to attract only those people who do not use XFire; how could I have failed to see this? (cough)

    Nice chart gervaise1!!!! REALLY appreciate the time and effort you've put into logging this data.

  • OpapanaxOpapanax Rochester, NYMember Posts: 973
    Man it can only get uglier over there.. Revolution!

    PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownMember Posts: 3,452 Uncommon
    Figures for yesterday taken today are a new record low, 2816. They correspond to the NA chart on torstatus for light servers aching an all time high of over 80%.


  • MetentsoMetentso BarcelonaMember Posts: 1,436 Uncommon

    Yay new thread! thanks mod, was a pain the old one.

     

     

  • VrikaVrika FinlandMember Posts: 3,450 Rare

    SWTOR vs. WoW time played on XFire

    Yellow line = SWTOR's time played on XFire, 100% = WoW's time played on XFire

    All my data is taken from Saturdays. 

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCMember Posts: 6,435 Uncommon

    Originally posted by Metentso

    Yay new thread! thanks mod, was a pain the old one.
     

     

    Wow GW2 had a population drop in beta?

    image

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIMember Posts: 7,974

    Originally posted by MMOExposed


    Wow GW2 had a population drop in beta?

    We are really going to have a conversation about population in a game's beta?

    Really?

  • VrikaVrika FinlandMember Posts: 3,450 Rare

    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Wow GW2 had a population drop in beta?

    Servers shutting down when beta weekend ended made it harder to play the game.

  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member Posts: 3,309 Rare

    TUX426 posted:

    "Nice chart gervaise1!!!! REALLY appreciate the time and effort you've put into logging this data."

    The credit is Metentso's - and his table is much prettier; I just copied and pasted it from the old thread until Metentso posted an update.

     

    As for the data - well EA will be providing their quarterly results in a few days and I can't see them getting away with saying nothing. And given the free 30 day promotion how will they count them as they don't fall into the 'industry standard' definition of paid subscriber, 30 days included or current time card which is what they referred to yesterday.

    It will be interesting to see the questions they get from analysts and the answers they give. Will they spin it in a positive light or talk about 'intense competition'? Will they give an industry standard definition of subs as of 30th March = X? An industry standard definition as of the end-April = Y?

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLMember Posts: 4,050 Uncommon

    Originally posted by BadSpock


    Originally posted by MMOExposed



    Wow GW2 had a population drop in beta?

    We are really going to have a conversation about population in a game's beta?

    Really?

    GW2 shouldn't even be put on the chart until they launch. I am surprised by TERA's low performance, as that just launched, which from the looks of it couldn't even beat GW2 in beta.

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • MosesZDMosesZD Kirkwood, MOMember Posts: 1,383 Common

    Originally posted by gervaise1

    TUX426 posted:
    "Nice chart gervaise1!!!! REALLY appreciate the time and effort you've put into logging this data."
    The credit is Metentso's - and his table is much prettier; I just copied and pasted it from the old thread until Metentso posted an update.
     
    As for the data - well EA will be providing their quarterly results in a few days and I can't see them getting away with saying nothing. And given the free 30 day promotion how will they count them as they don't fall into the 'industry standard' definition of paid subscriber, 30 days included or current time card which is what they referred to yesterday.
    It will be interesting to see the questions they get from analysts and the answers they give. Will they spin it in a positive light or talk about 'intense competition'? Will they give an industry standard definition of subs as of 30th March = X? An industry standard definition as of the end-April = Y?

     

    Subscriptions are not players.   And it's important to remember that while you can't be player without a subscription (for accounting purposes) you can have a subscription without an active player.   A second thing ot remember is that they're accounting for SUBSCRIPTIONS, not active players.   

     

    So, what makes this tricky was the activation process.    You needed a game card or credit card.   Fine.    If you had a credit card, your sub (if chose not to renew) ended after the '30-day trial' period.

     

    However, because somewhere around 40% of gamers don't have credit cards and use time cards, they were all forced into 90-day minimum subscriptions.   So, anyone who bought/activated the game after January 4th will be on the books.   Even if they stopped playing months before thier subscription ended.

     

    Because EA isn't going to tells us the renewal rates of the CC people (it would be too revealing) they're going to use that forced time-card activation as a 'renewal.'  And they're going to report it as an active sub.

     

    To understand this number...   Total sales from January 7th through the end of February were about 400,000K.   Meaning we've got somewhere around 160K 'subscriptons that automatically 'count' regardless of playing, until sometime after March 31st.    We've got another 60K 'subs' that cannot, credit-card or game-card activated, expire until April at the earliest as well.

     

    So just 1st quarter sales, regardless of account activity, is going to have a floor somewhere around 240K.    That's, essentially, inescapable.

     

    So, when the numbers come out.   I'm going to take them.   Subtract 240K.    Do some algebra and get the drop rate.  

     

    I'm honestly thinking it was close to 60% after first month for the credit card activators.    I can't be entirely sure.   But that's what my numbers were bouncing around.

  • pags411pags411 Boulder, COMember Posts: 98

    Originally posted by MosesZD


    Originally posted by gervaise1

    TUX426 posted:
    "Nice chart gervaise1!!!! REALLY appreciate the time and effort you've put into logging this data."
    The credit is Metentso's - and his table is much prettier; I just copied and pasted it from the old thread until Metentso posted an update.
     
    As for the data - well EA will be providing their quarterly results in a few days and I can't see them getting away with saying nothing. And given the free 30 day promotion how will they count them as they don't fall into the 'industry standard' definition of paid subscriber, 30 days included or current time card which is what they referred to yesterday.
    It will be interesting to see the questions they get from analysts and the answers they give. Will they spin it in a positive light or talk about 'intense competition'? Will they give an industry standard definition of subs as of 30th March = X? An industry standard definition as of the end-April = Y?

     

    Subscriptions are not players.   And it's important to remember that while you can't be player without a subscription (for accounting purposes) you can have a subscription without an active player.   A second thing ot remember is that they're accounting for SUBSCRIPTIONS, not active players.   

     

    So, what makes this tricky was the activation process.    You needed a game card or credit card.   Fine.    If you had a credit card, your sub (if chose not to renew) ended after the '30-day trial' period.

     

    However, because somewhere around 40% of gamers don't have credit cards and use time cards, they were all forced into 90-day minimum subscriptions.   So, anyone who bought/activated the game after January 4th will be on the books.   Even if they stopped playing months before thier subscription ended.

     

    Because EA isn't going to tells us the renewal rates of the CC people (it would be too revealing) they're going to use that forced time-card activation as a 'renewal.'  And they're going to report it as an active sub.

     

    To understand this number...   Total sales from January 7th through the end of February were about 400,000K.   Meaning we've got somewhere around 160K 'subscriptons that automatically 'count' regardless of playing, until sometime after March 31st.    We've got another 60K 'subs' that cannot, credit-card or game-card activated, expire until April at the earliest as well.

     

    So just 1st quarter sales, regardless of account activity, is going to have a floor somewhere around 240K.    That's, essentially, inescapable.

     

    So, when the numbers come out.   I'm going to take them.   Subtract 240K.    Do some algebra and get the drop rate.  

     

    I'm honestly thinking it was close to 60% after first month for the credit card activators.    I can't be entirely sure.   But that's what my numbers were bouncing around.

    I could barely discern any language in this post, it was just marred in poop.  If you're going to throw up statistics, pull them from a hat or something less stinky.

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLMember Posts: 4,050 Uncommon

    Xfire rankings

    #3 World of Warcraft : 60410 h

    #7 Star Wars The Old Republic: : 12600h

    #13 Aion: 6851h

    #20 Eve Online: 4102h

    #22 Guild Wars: 3751h

    #46 Rift: 1687h

    #48 Star Trek Online: 1662h

    #61 TERA: 1276h

    #66 DCUO: 1182h

     

     

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLMember Posts: 4,050 Uncommon

    Edited. Double post

     

     

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • MetentsoMetentso BarcelonaMember Posts: 1,436 Uncommon

    Originally posted by ktanner3


    Originally posted by BadSpock



    Originally posted by MMOExposed



    Wow GW2 had a population drop in beta?

    We are really going to have a conversation about population in a game's beta?

    Really?

    GW2 shouldn't even be put on the chart until they launch. I am surprised by TERA's low performance, as that just launched, which from the looks of it couldn't even beat GW2 in beta.

    Tera launched today, we will get the number tomorrow. I will put a label saying gw2  was in beta. Tera data in the graph is head start.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INMember Posts: 4,663 Rare

           The Xfire numbers are interesting but it is too small of a sampling base to draw much of a conclusion from....... We've done a few polls here to see how many gamers actually use Xfire and its been 30% or less the last couple of times..... Also I'd guess that it appeals mainly to a certain age range and a certain type of gamer...I have never had Xfire come with any game myself nor do I play any games that suggest using it.

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownMember Posts: 3,452 Uncommon
    Originally posted by BadSpock


    Originally posted by MMOExposed


    Wow GW2 had a population drop in beta?

    We are really going to have a conversation about population in a game's beta?

    Really?

     

    It is good thing to keep it on the graph to show the flat earthers that XFire does mirror trends, beta weekend finishes population drops to 0. Some of them are quite stubborn because they cannot string thoughts together so well.
  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownMember Posts: 3,452 Uncommon
    Originally posted by Theocritus

           The Xfire numbers are interesting but it is too small of a sampling base to draw much of a conclusion from....... We've done a few polls here to see how many gamers actually use Xfire and its been 30% or less the last couple of times..... Also I'd guess that it appeals mainly to a certain age range and a certain type of gamer...I have never had Xfire come with any game myself nor do I play any games that suggest using it.

     

    Yes, all those factors will introduce margins of error into the results, all except you not using XFire, that is irrelevant.
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