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Actually if you read the first few lines, you would see that I did not write the post. It was Valatar from the GW2 beta forums.
Some people may decide that they are a must have for them. However I never stated that.
This arguement is complete and utter bunk. These are from anti-cash shop people that have a sole objective of finding the worse parts and being counter of it.
In-game gold can be used to purchase gems.
That small fact is what debunks the other side's arguement that these are "hiddent costs" and "required" to get things. In fact, we already know the conversion rate based on Beta Weekend: 100 GEMS =5-7 silver, depending on the day of fluctuation. Based on that, for example, the extra character slots would cost only 1.2-1.68 gold for a player.
Fact is that the game can be 100% Free-2-Play (after one-time purchase of the box/digital client first) without a player ever paying another dime. However, if a player chooses to spend the money on those instead of trying to progress the game and earn it through quests and mob grind, that's the choice that A-Net provided.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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I don't understand this argument. I see it all the time about this game and the cs. I don't understand how you think people want anything "for free." They are paying 60$ I don't see that as free. I don't have a problem with cash shops and I actually think they have a pretty good setup with being able to buy gems with gold. But I don't understand the argument that some are making about people wanting "everything for free" when talking about a game you have to pay 60$ for up front.
So the point is that you have to pay for luxaries. IF you are playing five characters and can't teleport to a way point to sell your crap then u can afford the diamonds.
Convience is luxuary. This is the most grasp at straws argument I've seen. 8 character slots? Teleported banking.
HEck i think remote auction should be in the gem shop.
And for 60 bucks you get a crap ton more than you would get in ANY OTHER AAA game. Skyrim, Alamaur, EVERY OTHER GAME. YOu don't get content updates, a server to forever play with your friends with events and continous maintanence.
So it's annoying sitting here, explaining how economics 101 works for an MMO. It makes the original author either sound super naive or super uninformed or just a freeloader who gets both but still thinks he should have the cheapest MMO experience he wants.
It's like crying because you feel that you deserve a Mercedes Benz for the price of a Prius.
This is funny, everyone getting so defensive over their baby. It will be more expensive. If you decide to buy keys, karma boost, exp boost, hats, pets, bank slots, bag slots, character slots...
It will be more expensive than a sub based game, for the basic things. You get all of this and MORE for 15 a month..or you pay one small 4 dollar fee, 10 times a month to buy what you end up wanting.
If you do not purchase anything..than good for you..I will have an advantage over you in every way.
I'm buying, Karma boosts, EXP boosts, Bag slots, Bank slots, special keys to open boxes for loot and anything else that gives me an advantage.
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Of course people, in general, will pay a lot more for GW2 than the box price, thats how the plan on making their money.
Its like when the dota clones of HoN and LoL came out, HoN was originally $30 and you got every bit of content (maps, heros, etc). LoL was free and you had to buy hero unlocks. The vast majority of my friends that chose LoL over HoN did so because it was 'free'. The vast majority of those ended up paying far more in LoL than any of the HoN players ever did. Many of them even in the 3 digit figure ranges. Another example is TF2, and many other games that go free to play. They report a relatively large increase in income after going F2P than they did when they were P2P.
I fully predict that the majority of people who play GW2 for the long-term will end up paying just as much, if not more, than they would if they had been playing a subscription based MMO for the same amount of time. This wont apply to everyone of course, but for most people i think it will. There will be additional content added to the store post-release, aswell as expansions that will come out (presumably) more regularly than they would for subscription based MMO's as they need other sources of income. The only people GW2's "B2P" payment model benefits is those that play for maybe 2-4 months. If you play for ~1 month you'd end up paying the same as a subscription based mmo due to the free month they normally give. If you play long term I think you'd end up paying the same (if not more). Its that sweet spot of people who play the game for a couple of months then quit that this will benefit and no one else, in my opinion. I really dont know why people are so excited about the payment system and praising it so much. Its one of the biggest negatives for me. Atleast with a subscription based model all players are on equal footing with regards to content and possible advantages they have in the game.
Nobody will need to buy anything, let alone extra character slots, and if you do its going to be 1 at a time. I think the only thing you may feel forced to buy is inventory space, but you have to ask yourself, am I enjoying the game enough to support Anet to spend a little bit of cash and buy those? I know I will.
I think the OP's post is nothing more than a scare mongering tactic, and only tells half a story.
20 slot bags are craftable, you can craft bags from mats you get in the first starter zone.
The gem prices ingame will be determined by players not Anet, everything you want can be obtained through ingame currency you can completely play GW2 without spending any real cash whatsoever. So the OP's post is a mute point as far as i'm concerned.
Wrong. You're getting about the same amount as many free-to-play games give you, except with a $60+ price tag for the client that ANet is charging for.
That's the thing. Buy-to-play is just semantics to make the model sound better than it is - in reality, GW2 is a F2P game with a cash shop that also charges for the client.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
This is correct because one you buy the bag slots you will never need to buy them again. You can play for years without ever buying anything from the GW2 store. In the long run it is still a ton cheaper than 1 year of a sub fee.
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How do you figure that? I played the original GW, which also had a similar cash shop and I paid - in 7 yrs mind you - maybe 50 US dollars to the cash shop and for the 3 extra chapters - (maybe 135 US dollars). Is that less than whay you pay for a P2P game - yes it is. Figure it this way - 185 + 45 for the original game divided by 7 yrs - that is 32 dollars a year. That is WAY less than P2P.
Based I what I just posted - your prediction is WRONG. Please go back to playing your WoW or whatever P2P game you are playing.
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Haha, this post got me thinking. It seemed like only yesterday people were bashing Blizzard for selling PETS in their shop, and for only donating SOME of the money to charities on certain pets and this and that.
Now it is all love for Arenanet...
Rose-tinted glasses are friggen SWEET!
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Yep, and this is what is convienently always left out by the cash shop scare mongers when they talk about it.
Everything in GW2 is realistically and reasonably obtainable by simply playing the game.
This campaign to demonise the cash shop in this particular game is dishonest, to say the least. If people hate cash shops in general, and I get that, then they need to be talking in much wider terms then just GW2, but I guess that wouldn't serve to further their campaign against the title specifically.
I wonder how many people will be like me....
When it comes to my enjoyment of MMO titles money is not something I worry about. If I see a bunch of bank slots, keys, cosmetic armor/weapons, dyes, etc in their cash shop and I want them. I will drop 200 dollars without flinching. This is a game I can see myself playing for a long time.
I already paid for this and D3 digital download and i'll buy expansions for these games but not too interested in cash shops unless its something i really want lol.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP TROLLING GOOD GAMES BECAUSE YOU FRIGGIN HATE SO MUCH ITS NOT WOW OR COD...that is all :-)
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Yep, to people who have to have everything RIGHT NOW AND I MEAN NOW. The game will cost money.
For everyone else, they wont actually have to spend a single penny. You can get gems with in game gold and thus every single thing the OP is complaining about can be gotten FOR FREE.
So, the only people who are going to be paying money in this game are the people who are actually doing the most complaining about how cash shop = pay 2 win...they will be the ones doing it the most...because they are the ones that want it all RIGHT NOW.
You are a dieing breed, the old ways are just that..old. I have been playing MMORPGs for a decaded and a half, its about time a major company left the old model that NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE behind.
The very idea of buying a game and having to keep paying to play it was a slap in the face to consumers.
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My prediction is that the majority of people will (who play it long term), not all people. You dont need to get so damn defensive. My prediction isnt WRONG (nor is it right), at this point its nothing more than a prediction, although it is backed up by some evidence (of which there are obvious exceptions to, such as your example). I can gaurantee some people will pay far less in GW2 than they would in a subscription-based MMO, i think thats something we can both agree on, but I believe there will be many more that pay an equivalent amount (if not more) if they play the game long-term.
The force is strong with that one, I agree 200%!
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Personally I'm a sucker for cosmetic gear.
LoL, Want a better game? Pay more! fact of life my friend, you dont HAVE to buy anything, its a choice. people nowadays really cry over everything.. "Oh no, they are making money from me!" they tyrants!
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The price ratio of gems to in game currency is not fixed. It is subject to inflation, as well as supply and demand.
It would be impossible to beta test this properly. Unless you could find a supply of people willing to buy gems for beta-testing purposes. Knowing that all progress and gem purchases would be wiped.
Actually it would be very easy to test it.
You have your first set price.
Inject a set amount of gems into the economy, say...10,000
note the ratio change
Inject another 10,000
note the ration change
inject another 10,000
if the ratio of change is the same...and it can all be done IN HOUSE by creating characters and giving them gems which I am sure that is exactly what they did. It needs to be controlled to get an accurate sample. If you have players do it and not know what if anything they are doing with the gems you will not be able to get an accurate reading.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson