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I am now concerned about this game

TalonsinTalonsin Posts: 1,469Member Uncommon

A few red flags have been triggered by this recent annoucnement of life time subs.

1. The game currently does not have any beta at the moment, beta invites go out sometime this month but the game launches on June 19th.  Seems like a very short beta and not enough time to correct the issues that are identified in beta.

2. The lifetime sub being thrown out before a beta and at a cost just a hair above the one year price.

3. The current gameplay videos look clunky.  I understand some may be older but you would think that right before an annoucement for pre-orders you would release some of your best videos to entice people into buying.

4. The cash shop is being built in from the start with pets and inventory space leading me to believe that F2P is a viable option that FunCom has as a backup plan after the inital launch. 

 

I was really excited about this one and was thinking of grabbing the life time sub but now I am seriously rethinking it.

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  • TROLL_HARDTROLL_HARD Caucasian/WhitePosts: 312Member

    Originally posted by Talonsin

    A few red flags have been triggered by this recent annoucnement of life time subs.

    1. The game currently does not have any beta at the moment, beta invites go out sometime this month but the game launches on June 19th.  Seems like a very short beta and not enough time to correct the issues that are identified in beta.

    2. The lifetime sub being thrown out before a beta and at a cost just a hair above the one year price.

    3. The current gameplay videos look clunky.  I understand some may be older but you would think that right before an annoucement for pre-orders you would release some of your best videos to entice people into buying.

    4. The cash shop is being built in from the start with pets and inventory space leading me to believe that F2P is a viable option that FunCom has as a backup plan after the inital launch. 

     

    I was really excited about this one and was thinking of grabbing the life time sub but now I am seriously rethinking it.

    EA = auto red flag.

     

     

  • VesaviusVesavius BristolPosts: 7,643Member Uncommon

    I haven't been following this yet... but...

    No large scale beta testing and yet they are already selling the game and life time memberships?

    ouch ><

    That's NEVER a good sign.

  • KeyhKeyh Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 140Member

    1. They've had several beta phases before this, it's not like this will be the first beta phase that they do...

    2. Again, they've had plenty of beta phases before now, and from what I hear,  the lifetime sub will be available well into the launch life of the game.

    3. I don't see what you see. The only problems I've seen are some of the animations. Maybe you're looking at GDC 2011 videos?

    4. And?

  • DarkPonyDarkPony RotterdamPosts: 5,566Member

    Funcom, y u so mani red falgs?

  • TROLL_HARDTROLL_HARD Caucasian/WhitePosts: 312Member

    Originally posted by DarkPony

    Funcom, y u so mani red falgs?

    LOL

     

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  • SevenwindSevenwind Somewhereville, TXPosts: 2,198Member Uncommon

    There has been a closed beta going for quite awhile. They acknowledged that. They did Rise of the Godslayer the same way. I didn't get into closed beta till a month before it went into public beta and only then did I see the patch notes and forums from people went back several months.

    As for lifetime subscription, if it does turn out to go F2P then I hope Funcom will do like other games that offered lifetime subs and give players that purchased a monthly stipen of points. But like LOTRO those that paid lifetime subs you basically paid for two years of service and that time has come and gone. So they push that marketplace into your face a lot now to everyone.

    I'm sure you'll get into the beta, either closed or public beta as it gets close to release so you can make a decision if you want to buy a lifetime sub. I think they even said the offer would be good even shortly after release.

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  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,232Member Uncommon

    haters gonna hate.

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  • DarkPonyDarkPony RotterdamPosts: 5,566Member

    Originally posted by TROLL_HARD

    Originally posted by DarkPony

    Funcom, y u so mani red falgs?

    LOL

     

    What happened to your sig? It was classic!

    It ate 10 gigs of bandwith in a week or so. So the photobucket people got real angry and shut it down and now they are trying to sell me a premium account for unlimited bandwith V_V

     

  • TROLL_HARDTROLL_HARD Caucasian/WhitePosts: 312Member

    I'm glad I saw it. I shall remember.

  • TorqiaTorqia CopenhagenPosts: 73Member

    Honestly. Im surprised that funcoms history (read AoC launch) isnt on your red flag list. I can tell you its nr. 1 on mine:)

    But when ever i see Life Time sub i allways think of Hellgate and run away screeming, so im gonna watch this one from safe distance and hope for the best.

  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon


    1. The game currently does not have any beta at the moment, beta invites go out sometime this month but the game launches on June 19th.  Seems like a very short beta and not enough time to correct the issues that are identified in beta.

    Game Currently is undergoing a closed beta.


    2. The lifetime sub being thrown out before a beta and at a cost just a hair above the one year price.

    Offer is extended upto and after games official release.


    3. The current gameplay videos look clunky.  I understand some may be older but you would think that right before an annoucement for pre-orders you would release some of your best videos to entice people into buying.

    Im sure the marketing machine will continue to speed up right till release

    4. The cash shop is being built in from the start with pets and inventory space leading me to believe that F2P is a viable option that FunCom has as a backup plan after the inital launch.

    Whats exactly wrong with having a Contingency plan? 

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  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,994Member Uncommon

    C'mon, you pair up Funcom with EA and you just know there's going to be some shenanigans.

    Sort of like pairing up bad and evil.  image

    Definitely won't be pre-ordering.

     

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  • Darth_OsorDarth_Osor Mt Laurel, NJPosts: 1,089Member

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    C'mon, you pair up Funcom with EA and you just know there's going to be some shenanigan's?

    Sort of like pairing up bad and evil.  image

    Definitely won't be pre-ordering.

     

    Could you imagine Cryptic and Funcom pairing up?

    Edit:  I don't think EA has anything to do with the LTS or cash shop.  SWTOR doesn't have either, and EA has to pay  royalties to Lucas Arts.  I think the sub+cash shop is all Funcom's doing.

  • HurvartHurvart ystadPosts: 565Member

    Normally if they sell life time subs it means the game will be F2P shortly after release. They do that to boost profit and grab more money.

    I dont think I would trust anything funcom is doing anyway. And I doubt they can release a quality game. Most of the players will probably leave after the first month.

  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member

    If Funcom was marketing this game as The next Big game or a WoW killer then i would have red flags. they really aren't. its like they are saying "this game will be what it is" they took their time in release, they held off excessive Marketing, the only thing they promised was new ideas.

     

    the Funcom games i have played i have enjoyed. sure their launches suck, all launches suck. However i have complete faith that if the game isnt up to snuff at launch, it will be a month or 2 down the road.

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  • //\//\oo//\//\oo MalboroughPosts: 2,767Member

    You shouldn't be, unless you invested in their stock, in which case.. I'm sorry.

    I think this might be funcoms final endeavor.

    Generally funcom products are hyped to all hell, but this one.. this one is shrouded in so much secrecy...

     

    Contrast the gameplay footage from this game with that from AoC before it was released. This game could be the next big thing to hit the fan since STO... .well.. maybe not as big, since no major IP is behind it.

    Still, it's sad to see a company go under and one that was among the original companies to put the genre on the map.

     

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  • ButeoRegalisButeoRegalis Tijeras, NMPosts: 505Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Talonsin

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    1. The game currently does not have any beta at the moment, beta invites go out sometime this month but the game launches on June 19th.  Seems like a very short beta and not enough time to correct the issues that are identified in beta.

    (snip)

    In this day and age, we are probably shifting away from the use of open beta as a bug-finding tool to open beta as a marketing tool.

    See GW2. "Press beta"? Really? You think ANet is using the press to look for bugs? Nope, it's a demo, alright.

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  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member

    I'm right there with ya. I've been researching this game for a couple of days and although I like the concept I just can't justify dropping a dime on it.

    It looks shallow and incomplete.

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  • ethionethion Clearwater, FlPosts: 2,878Member Uncommon

    I like the game concept and what I've seen of it but no way I'm buying a funcom game on preorder.  They have historically had 1 aweful launchs and 2 incomplete games where the first 20 levels of aoc were awesome but the rest was be comparison poor and not complete.  No beta is bad news also.  yeah yeah I know they have closed beta but seriously have you ever really seen a beta that didn't have leaks.  For SW there aren't any leaks from beta testers.  That tells me they have a very small beta...

    I'm hoping the 3rd times the charm.  I like the game concept.  I've preordered every prior funcom game and been disappointed.  This time I'm not gonna put faith in them.  I'll wait till the game is released or at least the beta feedback starts coming out.

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  • kilunkilun Apopka, FLPosts: 709Member Common

    Originally posted by LadyNoh

    If Funcom was marketing this game as The next Big game or a WoW killer then i would have red flags. they really aren't. its like they are saying "this game will be what it is" they took their time in release, they held off excessive Marketing, the only thing they promised was new ideas.

     

    the Funcom games i have played i have enjoyed. sure their launches suck, all launches suck. However i have complete faith that if the game isnt up to snuff at launch, it will be a month or 2 down the road.

     Exactly.  They have said here is our game and this is what it is.  Its not having a ton of hype, I think they I read something about them deciding against it after AoC initial release.  Either way Funcom supports and fixes their products.  I'm sorry people are getting a red flag, from bad releases I held off from those.  The AoC engine is tested and proven now.  This game will be what I wanted, a modern day conspiracy theory with secret socities and all.  Awesome for me.

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  • stromp45stromp45 willamsburg, OHPosts: 156Member Uncommon

    I can understand peaple being a little weary about the launches of FC ive been there when AO and AOC both came out but very soon after they came out fixes came and smoothed out alot of the bugs and yes i still play AO and im very excited about the secret world been following it for meny months i expect a few bugs in the beginning every game has them to start with but FC has alway smoothed out the bugs

  • Crunchy221Crunchy221 Trollsberg, ILPosts: 489Member

    Ok people, its funcom, weve done this before.

    FFS please dont play the game at launch if you rage over minor issues.  It probably wont be as rushed as AoC was, as i understand the owners of the IP/investors needed the game to launch regardless of quality.  They fixed the game eventually and its still running (was suppose to die months after launch remember?)

    Ill be playing the game for the developers talent in bringing uniqueness into games that have become monotonous and similair in too many ways.  Ill wait and see a week or two if i want to jump in (unless i get desperate which i might)

    EA is just publishing it, they havent touched the code...

     

    This game is going to generate a lot of hate regardless of how good it is, its funcom and people are still hurt over AoC's launch.  I really just wish GW2 would launch before TSW to suck up all the wow-park pvpers and keep them occupied for that month before they go looking for a new game.

  • OpapanaxOpapanax Rochester, NYPosts: 973Member

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    C'mon, you pair up Funcom with EA and you just know there's going to be some shenanigans.

    Sort of like pairing up bad and evil.  image

    Definitely won't be pre-ordering.

     

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  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member

    Gameplay videos especially, not terrible, just.. concerning.  Won't be preordering, might even just play Tera for a while, before trying this one.  I'll definitely try it eventually.  Hope all these red flags turn out the be nothing...

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  • cutthecrapcutthecrap nobusinessofyoursPosts: 600Member

    Originally posted by Crunchy221

    Ok people, its funcom, weve done this before.

    FFS please dont play the game at launch if you rage over minor issues.  It probably wont be as rushed as AoC was, as i understand the owners of the IP/investors needed the game to launch regardless of quality.  They fixed the game eventually and its still running (was suppose to die months after launch remember?)

    Ill be playing the game for the developers talent in bringing uniqueness into games that have become monotonous and similair in too many ways.  Ill wait and see a week or two if i want to jump in (unless i get desperate which i might)

    EA is just publishing it, they havent touched the code...

     

    This game is going to generate a lot of hate regardless of how good it is, its funcom and people are still hurt over AoC's launch.  I really just wish GW2 would launch before TSW to suck up all the wow-park pvpers and keep them occupied for that month before they go looking for a new game.

    This.

    No matter what, the game was bound to generate hate and bashing, no matter what path it would've taken due to FC's past.

    Personally, I don't mind the more down-to-earth approach they're using, better than the hyped up chest thumping that was seen pre-launch of AoC by Gaute and others. Also, I personally wouldn't mind if things were being kept low key, if it would lead the certain types of MMO gamers out of it, that are easily traumatised by former gaming experiences or auto-decide to not play a game because they can't ever see past a game company that has wronged them in the past. Or people who completely pull a love scene in a game out of proportion.

    I myself wouldn't mind at all if those things would help filter the initial group of gamers that would play the game, who knows, it may help form a community that's different from the current crowd that's seen at MMO launches image

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