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The Main Thing 8 Year Old WOW & 9 Year Old SWG Got Right!

MARTYB2KMARTYB2K AthensPosts: 167Member

Big seemless world. Most of the upcomming games seem to fail in this area. Why? SWG mananged it 9 years ago and WOW 8 years ago. SWTOR failed at this big time and it's looking like GW2 might as well. Were devs really better a decade ago?

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  • SythionSythion Salem, ORPosts: 422Member

    There is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much that breaks immersion in mmos.

    A loading screen is not a big deal to me.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member

    Originally posted by MARTYB2K

    Big seemless world. Most of the upcomming games seem to fail in this area. Why? SWG mananged it 9 years ago and WOW 8 years ago. SWTOR failed at this big time and it's looking like GW2 might as well. Were devs really better a decade ago?

     

    Why is that important? Diablo 1,2 and 3 has no seamless world and it is still a great game. WOW has lots of instances too.

  • CuathonCuathon University City, NYPosts: 2,211Member

    Originally posted by nariusseldon

    Originally posted by MARTYB2K

    Big seemless world. Most of the upcomming games seem to fail in this area. Why? SWG mananged it 9 years ago and WOW 8 years ago. SWTOR failed at this big time and it's looking like GW2 might as well. Were devs really better a decade ago?

     

    Why is that important? Diablo 1,2 and 3 has no seamless world and it is still a great game. WOW has lots of instances too.

    Too bad no Diablo game is an MMO. Of course, nowadays, neither is WoW.

  • CaponestyleCaponestyle Belleville, ONPosts: 112Member

    ok im sick of people praising SWG, there was nothing good about that game, it was probly the biggest fail ever in MMORPGs i bought the game played it first day it came out and played it for 4 months. it was horrid theres a reason it has dissapeared from existance

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Originally posted by Caponestyle

    ok im sick of people praising SWG, there was nothing good about that game, it was probly the biggest fail ever in MMORPGs i bought the game played it first day it came out and played it for 4 months. it was horrid theres a reason it has dissapeared from existance

    I'd have to agree.

    It may have been really good on paper, but the implementation of those features was god awful.

    Buggiest, broken, most imbalanced game I have ever played (besides Vanguard!)

  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Portland, ORPosts: 1,277Member


    Originally posted by BadSpock


    Originally posted by Caponestyle
    ok im sick of people praising SWG, there was nothing good about that game, it was probly the biggest fail ever in MMORPGs i bought the game played it first day it came out and played it for 4 months. it was horrid theres a reason it has dissapeared from existance

    I'd have to agree.
    It may have been really good on paper, but the implementation of those features was god awful.
    Buggiest, broken, most imbalanced game I have ever played (besides Vanguard!)

    people play mmos differently from person to person. the way you play them, in your mind, makes swg awful. they way other people play them, in their minds, makes swg better than every themepark combined.

    I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.

  • CaponestyleCaponestyle Belleville, ONPosts: 112Member

    "Those people" were the ones that likely played the DANCER class

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,247Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by MARTYB2K

    Big seemless world. Most of the upcomming games seem to fail in this area. Why? SWG mananged it 9 years ago and WOW 8 years ago. SWTOR failed at this big time and it's looking like GW2 might as well. Were devs really better a decade ago?

    SWG wasn't seamless.  Matter of fact, it's not much more seamless than TOR is.  If you took a shuttle, you got a loadscreen.  Leave the planet?  Loadscreen.  In contrast, TOR is only less open due to the "green areas", the...ummm... instant instances.  Everywhere else, the screens load in exactly the same places as SWG.

    And WoW isn't exactly a completely open world, either.  If you teleport or use your hearthstone, you get a load screen.  Dungeons are instanced.  Areas like the train from humans to dwarves is instanced.  Granted, it's pretty smart instancing; being able to run/fly almost anywhere without a load screen is pretty cool.  But you still have loadscreens

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,989Member Uncommon

    Large seamless world really isn't that important to me, but the over use of instancing is a big turn off.

     

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  • st4t1ckst4t1ck jonesboro, GAPosts: 600Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BadSpock





    Originally posted by Caponestyle

    ok im sick of people praising SWG, there was nothing good about that game, it was probly the biggest fail ever in MMORPGs i bought the game played it first day it came out and played it for 4 months. it was horrid theres a reason it has dissapeared from existance






    I'd have to agree.

    It may have been really good on paper, but the implementation of those features was god awful.

    Buggiest, broken, most imbalanced game I have ever played (besides Vanguard!)






    people play mmos differently from person to person. the way you play them, in your mind, makes swg awful. they way other people play them, in their minds, makes swg better than every themepark combined.

     

    guess a lot more people played the way spock did since its closed

  • MajinashMajinash st louis, MOPosts: 1,320Member

    Originally posted by MARTYB2K

    Big seemless world. Most of the upcomming games seem to fail in this area. Why? SWG mananged it 9 years ago and WOW 8 years ago. SWTOR failed at this big time and it's looking like GW2 might as well. Were devs really better a decade ago?

    You could add Lineage 2 to that list.  At least the old Lineage2 back in the 8/9 years ago you're talking about.  No idea if it has become segmented in recent years.

    Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,247Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BadSpock





    Originally posted by Caponestyle

    ok im sick of people praising SWG, there was nothing good about that game, it was probly the biggest fail ever in MMORPGs i bought the game played it first day it came out and played it for 4 months. it was horrid theres a reason it has dissapeared from existance






    I'd have to agree.

    It may have been really good on paper, but the implementation of those features was god awful.

    Buggiest, broken, most imbalanced game I have ever played (besides Vanguard!)






    people play mmos differently from person to person. the way you play them, in your mind, makes swg awful. they way other people play them, in their minds, makes swg better than every themepark combined.

     

    True enough... though I don't recall it being my choice to play "rubber bandy" or with a crapload o' bugs.  I suppose it WAS my fault that I insisted on playing a pistoleer/smuggler even though i was gimped beyond imagining.image

  • ThorbrandThorbrand West Palm Beach, FLPosts: 1,198Member

    Yes both those games has open world with massive content on every level not the simplified games we get today that are all about fluff. Don't forget actual gameplay. Both those game released today would fail because of the current gaming community thinks games should be movies not challenging games with content.

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by Caponestyle

    "Those people" were the ones that likely played the DANCER class

     

    And scouts and rangers and bounty hunters and combat medics and doctors and swordsman and riflemen and pistoleers and smugglers and droid engineers and Teras Kasi martial artists and creature handlers and musicians and bio engineers and droid engineers and chefs and politicians and architects and squad leaders and pilots and more, did I forget to mention Jedi's. Choices are a good thing.
  • musicmannmusicmann port allen, LAPosts: 1,107Member

    Originally posted by Robsolf

    Originally posted by MARTYB2K

    Big seemless world. Most of the upcomming games seem to fail in this area. Why? SWG mananged it 9 years ago and WOW 8 years ago. SWTOR failed at this big time and it's looking like GW2 might as well. Were devs really better a decade ago?

    SWG wasn't seamless.  Matter of fact, it's not much more seamless than TOR is.  If you took a shuttle, you got a loadscreen.  Leave the planet?  Loadscreen.  In contrast, TOR is only less open due to the "green areas", the...ummm... instant instances.  Everywhere else, the screens load in exactly the same places as SWG.

    And WoW isn't exactly a completely open world, either.  If you teleport or use your hearthstone, you get a load screen.  Dungeons are instanced.  Areas like the train from humans to dwarves is instanced.  Granted, it's pretty smart instancing; being able to run/fly almost anywhere without a load screen is pretty cool.  But you still have loadscreens

    I don't think that's what the OP meant. In SWG, you could go anywhere on the map. It was a giant square that had no exaustion area's or mountainous paths that couldn't be walked or rode over. The only place that you got stopped was at the edge of the map.

    In TOR, you can go off the path, but it's still zoned in. You can only go to certain areas on the map, instead of being able to use the whole map, so to speak. TOR leads the player through these defined roads and passages to the next area.

    Shuttles and off planet are the same, accept, SWG was much faster than TOR. It is also worth mentioning that, the way TOR has the faction areas sperated from one another really closes the planets in as well.

    Really the biggest difference is, In TOR, i can see a ship or whatever off in the distance, but i can't go to it. In SWG, what i seen, i could go to. It really is what makes a mmo have a great exploration system and one that doesn't.

  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member

    Originally posted by MARTYB2K

    Big seemless world. Most of the upcomming games seem to fail in this area. Why? SWG mananged it 9 years ago and WOW 8 years ago. ...

    A lot of games managed it years ago and some games still manage it. It's just no design priority for current AAA games that are more focused on small maps/instances. Small maps/instances are more convenient for casual and competitive players.

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  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,828Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by Caponestyle

    "Those people" were the ones that likely played the DANCER class

     

    And scouts and rangers and bounty hunters and combat medics and doctors and swordsman and riflemen and pistoleers and smugglers and droid engineers and Teras Kasi martial artists and creature handlers and musicians and bio engineers and droid engineers and chefs and politicians and architects and squad leaders and pilots and more, did I forget to mention Jedi's. Choices are a good thing.

    How could anyone not like all of the choices SWG had. I am betting his wife got irate when she caught him playing a female DANCER Twi'lek and now he is bitter. SWG will always be my favorite MMO since it was my very first. I just don't understand why todays developers do not try to mimic that style.

  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Tempe, AZPosts: 1,036Member

    Instances =/= Seamless

     

    60% (guestimation) Borders poorly disguised as mountains =/= Big

  • BoatsmateBoatsmate Springfield, MOPosts: 208Member

    Not a fan of WoW in recent years, but I have to go with you on that one. A seamless world is like electricity,you take it for granted when you have it, but when a storm knocks it out and you are stumbling around in the dark and eating cold sandwiches it seems like a luxery all of the sudden. WoW ,which I will probably never play again, has a world that is a pleasure to traverse.

    Ballerinas are always on their toes. Why don't they just get taller ballerinas?

  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Boring, TXPosts: 1,171Member Uncommon

    FUN FACT: Seemless worlds have never existed in any game.

    Just the illusion that the world is seemless.

  • SythionSythion Salem, ORPosts: 422Member

    Originally posted by bigsmiff

    How could anyone not like all of the choices SWG had. I am betting his wife got irate when she caught him playing a female DANCER Twi'lek and now he is bitter. SWG will always be my favorite MMO since it was my very first. I just don't understand why todays developers do not try to mimic that style.

    Some people wanted to play an rpg, not a "my role in the economy" simulator. Seriously, is there a single IP that is a worse fit for that type of a game than Star Wars?

    Anyway, that being said, it is obviously many people's ideal game type, and I imagine something like it coming around soon to fill the void.

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon

          The problem with most games trying to do a seamless world today is that the graphics are more intense and it would lag the gameplay big time.

  • swift1990swift1990 ManchesterPosts: 26Member

    Why does everyone think WoW was a seamless world. It really was not. Dungeons were instanced and the continents were instanced. WoW is a invalid game to use when trying to make this point.

  • BoatsmateBoatsmate Springfield, MOPosts: 208Member

    Originally posted by swift1990

    Why does everyone think WoW was a seamless world. It really was not. Dungeons were instanced and the continents were instanced. WoW is a invalid game to use when trying to make this point.

    I guess that is true. I have memories of getting on my bike my Engineer crafted and riding forever until I came to a coast, then I would get on a boat, ride it somewhere, and get back on my bike and ride,ride ,ride, through beautiful pastel forests, through swamps , over rivers, past angry Hordes with big sharp swords....splat...

    Ballerinas are always on their toes. Why don't they just get taller ballerinas?

  • DixonHillDixonHill SchleswigPosts: 154Member

    Originally posted by Theocritus

          The problem with most games trying to do a seamless world today is that the graphics are more intense and it would lag the gameplay big time.

    No, not necessarily. Although the graphics are a factor, this is where the illusion part comes in. Seemingly seamless worlds with decent graphics are doable.

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