And can you gurantee that none of these coordinated hardcore guilds would be intrested in having a donor? Maybe a cpl of these guilds with someone with deep enough pockets. What about a kind of corporate sponsor ship if the e-sport aspect picks up. Last I knew Europeans raiding guilds in wow had corporate sponsors, except now they can turn the money into ingame currency and get a potential chokehold on the best talent, by offering resources few can compete with.
Why, the bloodly hell, a "pro", esport/hardcore team would want to get paid in in-game currency that means jack all? I mean sorry, but Your in-game gold has no value whatsoever in terms of hardcore progression, especially in PvP tournament environment.
Why would anyone want to be paid in vanity pixels when real sponsors give you actual, physical PC gear and, in best case scanrio, actual dollars?
You can't trade gems back into real money.
Gold farmers would do it for gold they could then sell to other players for money. And they're motivated to fight well by real life concerns such as feeding their families, plus if they can make enough money doing it, they'll have an awful lot of time to practice and perfect their fighting skills.
Yes, that is my worst-worst-worst case scenario for this situation. Will be interesting to see if it comes about.
That's really silly scenario. Moslty because gold farmers that actually sell the gold in huge amounts have easier, faster and better ways to aquire said gold. Depending on upredictable PvP element is never really way to get "rich" in games. Why bother when You have bots, exploits or simple and yet effective phishing?
Personally I was always more in favour of controlled RMT over other methods of gold farmer prevention. SImply because companies proved over all those years they aren't able to efficiently cut on the illegal RMT. Even WoW having the backing of Blizzard's legal division still didn't fix the problem after all those years. When, however, You provide players with legitimate way to obtain additional gold through in-game economy mixed with real cash, a lot of potential gold buyers will opt for the offical way to do it. It's simply safer, you don't risk getting banned and quite often is more convinient.
Yes, there always will be douchebags that will turn towards the 3rd party services, but GW2 has quite specific construction, where gear is less important than in other games, where in structured PvP you are forced to use pre-made gear and WvWvW is more about coordination than single person decked out in "epix". The typical "powergamer" will have much less reasons to even look towards the cash shop because by the end everyone will be "equal" gear wise no matter how much gold you have banked.
And can you gurantee that none of these coordinated hardcore guilds would be intrested in having a donor? Maybe a cpl of these guilds with someone with deep enough pockets. What about a kind of corporate sponsor ship if the e-sport aspect picks up. Last I knew Europeans raiding guilds in wow had corporate sponsors, except now they can turn the money into ingame currency and get a potential chokehold on the best talent, by offering resources few can compete with.
Why, the bloodly hell, a "pro", esport/hardcore team would want to get paid in in-game currency that means jack all? I mean sorry, but Your in-game gold has no value whatsoever in terms of hardcore progression, especially in PvP tournament environment.
Why would anyone want to be paid in vanity pixels when real sponsors give you actual, physical PC gear and, in best case scanrio, actual dollars?
You can't trade gems back into real money.
Gold farmers would do it for gold they could then sell to other players for money. And they're motivated to fight well by real life concerns such as feeding their families, plus if they can make enough money doing it, they'll have an awful lot of time to practice and perfect their fighting skills.
Yes, that is my worst-worst-worst case scenario for this situation. Will be interesting to see if it comes about.
That's really silly scenario. Moslty because gold farmers that actually sell the gold in huge amounts have easier, faster and better ways to aquire said gold. Depending on upredictable PvP element is never really way to get "rich" in games. Why bother when You have bots, exploits or simple and yet effective phishing?
Personally I was always more in favour of controlled RMT over other methods of gold farmer prevention. SImply because companies proved over all those years they aren't able to efficiently cut on the illegal RMT. Even WoW having the backing of Blizzard's legal division still didn't fix the problem after all those years. When, however, You provide players with legitimate way to obtain additional gold through in-game economy mixed with real cash, a lot of potential gold buyers will opt for the offical way to do it. It's simply safer, you don't risk getting banned and quite often is more convinient.
Yes, there always will be douchebags that will turn towards the 3rd party services, but GW2 has quite specific construction, where gear is less important than in other games, where in structured PvP you are forced to use pre-made gear and WvWvW is more about coordination than single person decked out in "epix". The typical "powergamer" will have much less reasons to even look towards the cash shop because by the end everyone will be "equal" gear wise no matter how much gold you have banked.
Again, google pilot carry teams wow rateds before you assume there is no rmt in pvp.
And at least people who allow others to play their characters to carry them to better ratings or who pay real cash to join carry teams risk their accounts if Blizzard ever actually gives a damn. The way this is being set up, buying someone's services for gold you paid for with diamonds that you bought with cash will be perfectly legal, and what those people do with that gold later is no problem of yours. So what if they sell it to another player for real currency, right? You can't get in trouble for it.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Hmm, if they do it right... there are two major probelms I've seen with systems like this:
1. Gold must be valuable, always. This works in EVE due to the player driven economy, it's yet to be seen (and I have my doubts) if it will work in GW2.
2. Income differences between low and high level players. If there is a large gap, then low level players have no chance at buying gems, which means they either need to grind up to level cap, or use real world currency.
Now I'd like to think Anet has throught about these problems and has a good solution, but money has a way of clouding peoples thoughts, and after some of the other calls they have made recently (re-wording of what will be in cash shop, trait system, CE only elite skill) I have my doubts.
GW2 as a whole still looks like an amazing game, but it's definitely dropped from a pre-order to a wait-and-see, and is quickly heading towards a 3-months-post-launch.
Well this is just one mor reason for me to stick with SWTOR. Bioware is clearly a supperior game company and they make better games.
At least they don't pull any of this shady microtransaction stuff. You pay for the game and your sub and you get access to their games. No strings attached and no shady business. You just lost a potential customer Arenanet. I'll stick with Bioware- an honest company- thank you very much.
This is the most hilarious comment in the whole thread.
And can you gurantee that none of these coordinated hardcore guilds would be intrested in having a donor? Maybe a cpl of these guilds with someone with deep enough pockets. What about a kind of corporate sponsor ship if the e-sport aspect picks up. Last I knew Europeans raiding guilds in wow had corporate sponsors, except now they can turn the money into ingame currency and get a potential chokehold on the best talent, by offering resources few can compete with.
Why, the bloodly hell, a "pro", esport/hardcore team would want to get paid in in-game currency that means jack all? I mean sorry, but Your in-game gold has no value whatsoever in terms of hardcore progression, especially in PvP tournament environment.
Why would anyone want to be paid in vanity pixels when real sponsors give you actual, physical PC gear and, in best case scanrio, actual dollars?
You can't trade gems back into real money.
The esport and hardcore core of users will be in structured pvp in which you get no bonuses for anything anyway.
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
GW style in game shop is fine but giving option for players to trade real life currency in game in form of gems isn't fine. GW2 can very well sustain itself without going this route. That is what Anet's apologists are ignoring right now, people don't have problem with cash shop but trading of gems in game bought with cash. And yes no one knows for 100% certanity what items are goign to be in game, and i don't believe that there won't be better gear even though there is no tier system and raiding but i am quite positive there will be rare and better gear drops.
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Just want to second this, as it explains away a great many things.
More common sense I see.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
Sorry, how does the gold seller get their American dollars from this scenario?
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
Sorry, how does the gold seller get their American dollars from this scenario?
They take the gold they got from being a merc and sell it to a third party for real currency. Third party uses stolen accounts to advertise and sell the gold. Same way it works when a gold farmer gets gold through botting or other means.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Any one still planning on [trying] to P2W in this game?
I hope many do so that it funds a bunch of new content.
Aye I feel you on that bro. I hope they try buy spending cash, more content.
Well, i just played EQ when the game went free to play on a fresh server and half the people there where decked out in the most awesome storebought gear.
People will buy this stuff, and i don't mind, but i would never buy the stuff myself.
Maybe i'll even join a guild that prohibits members from buying this stuff....
I'll join you in that guild!
I've seen nothing here to cause all this excitement. Nothing is pay 2 win that I've seen and I'm good with that. If people want to spend money to lessen their experience of certain aspects of the game, let them. I'll laugh when I kick their ass at PvP because of all the real experience I got actually playing the game! lol
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
Sorry, how does the gold seller get their American dollars from this scenario?
They take the gold they got from being a merc and sell it to a third party for real currency. Third party uses stolen accounts to advertise and sell the gold. Same way it works when a gold farmer gets gold through botting or other means.
I think you are forgetting one small point. WHY would you pay money to a gold seller when you can just buy the gems yourself and exchange them for in game gold?
Well this is just one mor reason for me to stick with SWTOR. Bioware is clearly a supperior game company and they make better games.
At least they don't pull any of this shady microtransaction stuff. You pay for the game and your sub and you get access to their games. No strings attached and no shady business. You just lost a potential customer Arenanet. I'll stick with Bioware- an honest company- thank you very much.
I wouldn't jump the gun just yet. It would not surprise me to see Bioware implement some form of microtransaction system
EA experimented with microtrans in WAR ---- P2W microtrans
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
Sorry, how does the gold seller get their American dollars from this scenario?
They take the gold they got from being a merc and sell it to a third party for real currency. Third party uses stolen accounts to advertise and sell the gold. Same way it works when a gold farmer gets gold through botting or other means.
Got it...but why would I want to buy gold from a gold seller when I can use the same $ to buy directly from the items shop?
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
How is merc-ing for gold in a system with gems bought for RL cash any different than for ingame gold? All the gold you amassed isn't illegal since the guild bought the gems and just sold them for ingame gold anyway.
You said yourself, WoW does and they're subscription-based. I don't see how the RMT will facilitate this as even the guild will have to gauge the market for the gem prices and whether it'd be simpler just to pay out with ingame gold or not.
Whether you sell your account later or just the gold, it'd still be possible or done without the RMT.
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
Sorry, how does the gold seller get their American dollars from this scenario?
They take the gold they got from being a merc and sell it to a third party for real currency. Third party uses stolen accounts to advertise and sell the gold. Same way it works when a gold farmer gets gold through botting or other means.
If someone wants to do something illegal, they are going to do it. The best you can do is set up as many road blocks as possible to make it not worth their while. the bottom line is, why in the world would a gold farmer go through this much trouble for agame, where there are other games that make it easier and more profitable. Sure, any system can be screwed over at any time. But the risk is high in Guild Wars, and the reward of loosing real money and time won't be something that will fly with most folk.
I think you are forgetting one small point. WHY would you pay money to a gold seller when you can just buy the gems yourself and exchange them for in game gold?
Same reason people still get caught and banned using RMT in Eve. Isk sellers undercut the going rate and people take the risk of buying it cheaper. If detection is very good and bans permanent and swift, that won't be an issue in GW2, but relying on 'lawful' competition doesn't work. It might help cut down on the worst of it, but it doesn't stop it.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I think you are forgetting one small point. WHY would you pay money to a gold seller when you can just buy the gems yourself and exchange them for in game gold?
I think you are forgetting one small point. WHY would you pay money to a gold seller when you can just buy the gems yourself and exchange them for in game gold?
Same reason people still get caught and banned using RMT in Eve. Isk sellers undercut the going rate and people take the risk of buying it cheaper. If detection is very good and bans permanent and swift, that won't be an issue in GW2, but relying on 'lawful' competition doesn't work. It might help cut down on the worst of it, but it doesn't stop it.
I guess you are right, they will still do it anyway. I am not sure how anet is the bad guy here though. Damned if you do, damned if you don't it seems like. If it cuts down a huge chunk of these idiots I'm all for it
Very true, but the buyers as well as sellers would be risking their accounts by doing so. This way they will risk nothing, it will be perfectly legal to pay anyone in game to do anything for you with gold you bought using diamonds that cost real cash. This is my problem with it.
And before anyone thinks my gold farmer mercs idea is too off the wall, google pilot carry teams in WoW rateds. People are making money from these sorts of things and if there is a way for them to do it in GW2, they will.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
Sorry, how does the gold seller get their American dollars from this scenario?
They take the gold they got from being a merc and sell it to a third party for real currency. Third party uses stolen accounts to advertise and sell the gold. Same way it works when a gold farmer gets gold through botting or other means.
I think you are forgetting one small point. WHY would you pay money to a gold seller when you can just buy the gems yourself and exchange them for in game gold?
Cause the gold seller through gold farming will be able to sell you them for cheaper. 2k gold equals 20 gems equal 20 dollars(numbers just for example). If you can buy gold from gold seller 2k for $10 then you can get twice as many gems. Gold seller wins. Microtrans will not get rid of gold sellers if anything make them worse because the act of paying for gold is not illegal and there is no ethical issue with paying a gold seller for gold if you are a player
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That's really silly scenario. Moslty because gold farmers that actually sell the gold in huge amounts have easier, faster and better ways to aquire said gold. Depending on upredictable PvP element is never really way to get "rich" in games. Why bother when You have bots, exploits or simple and yet effective phishing?
Personally I was always more in favour of controlled RMT over other methods of gold farmer prevention. SImply because companies proved over all those years they aren't able to efficiently cut on the illegal RMT. Even WoW having the backing of Blizzard's legal division still didn't fix the problem after all those years. When, however, You provide players with legitimate way to obtain additional gold through in-game economy mixed with real cash, a lot of potential gold buyers will opt for the offical way to do it. It's simply safer, you don't risk getting banned and quite often is more convinient.
Yes, there always will be douchebags that will turn towards the 3rd party services, but GW2 has quite specific construction, where gear is less important than in other games, where in structured PvP you are forced to use pre-made gear and WvWvW is more about coordination than single person decked out in "epix". The typical "powergamer" will have much less reasons to even look towards the cash shop because by the end everyone will be "equal" gear wise no matter how much gold you have banked.
Again, google pilot carry teams wow rateds before you assume there is no rmt in pvp.
And at least people who allow others to play their characters to carry them to better ratings or who pay real cash to join carry teams risk their accounts if Blizzard ever actually gives a damn. The way this is being set up, buying someone's services for gold you paid for with diamonds that you bought with cash will be perfectly legal, and what those people do with that gold later is no problem of yours. So what if they sell it to another player for real currency, right? You can't get in trouble for it.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Hmm, if they do it right... there are two major probelms I've seen with systems like this:
1. Gold must be valuable, always. This works in EVE due to the player driven economy, it's yet to be seen (and I have my doubts) if it will work in GW2.
2. Income differences between low and high level players. If there is a large gap, then low level players have no chance at buying gems, which means they either need to grind up to level cap, or use real world currency.
Now I'd like to think Anet has throught about these problems and has a good solution, but money has a way of clouding peoples thoughts, and after some of the other calls they have made recently (re-wording of what will be in cash shop, trait system, CE only elite skill) I have my doubts.
GW2 as a whole still looks like an amazing game, but it's definitely dropped from a pre-order to a wait-and-see, and is quickly heading towards a 3-months-post-launch.
This is the most hilarious comment in the whole thread.
You, my dear sir, Win.
The esport and hardcore core of users will be in structured pvp in which you get no bonuses for anything anyway.
I can see where your fears are coming from, but the gem/currency ratio is never locked so there is room for loss for the gem buyers if too many gems flood the market. Risky business to me if you get less than you wanted or expected for them.
Better to simply farm the gold ingame and then 'buy' your mercs, in your case scenario.
Just want to second this, as it explains away a great many things.
GW style in game shop is fine but giving option for players to trade real life currency in game in form of gems isn't fine. GW2 can very well sustain itself without going this route. That is what Anet's apologists are ignoring right now, people don't have problem with cash shop but trading of gems in game bought with cash. And yes no one knows for 100% certanity what items are goign to be in game, and i don't believe that there won't be better gear even though there is no tier system and raiding but i am quite positive there will be rare and better gear drops.
Agreed please read this. The whining and mass missinformation floating around is giving me a headache. Peopel really need to relax.
One of life's lil hand grenades
Depends on how strict enforcement is against botting, actually. If it's easier to be a merc than it is to hide automated play, farmers will merc. Otherwise, you're right, it won't be worth it. For whatever reason, a certain number of good pvp rmt players have found ways to get players to pay them silly amounts of money to 'win' for them. This is a concern.
So let's say I'm a gold farmer and I realize it will be too hard to automate without getting caught. Let's assume GW2 is going to have good bot detection.
So instead, I merc for gold. Then I dump the gold on a seller account (probably set up through a different company and probably stolen). I get my paycheck, the guild gets its mercs. Even if the gold is traced and my account is banned, the guild that hired me won't face a ban because they did nothing wrong.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
More common sense I see.
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Sorry, how does the gold seller get their American dollars from this scenario?
They take the gold they got from being a merc and sell it to a third party for real currency. Third party uses stolen accounts to advertise and sell the gold. Same way it works when a gold farmer gets gold through botting or other means.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
I'll join you in that guild!
I've seen nothing here to cause all this excitement. Nothing is pay 2 win that I've seen and I'm good with that. If people want to spend money to lessen their experience of certain aspects of the game, let them. I'll laugh when I kick their ass at PvP because of all the real experience I got actually playing the game! lol
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
I think you are forgetting one small point. WHY would you pay money to a gold seller when you can just buy the gems yourself and exchange them for in game gold?
One of life's lil hand grenades
EA experimented with microtrans in WAR ---- P2W microtrans
Got it...but why would I want to buy gold from a gold seller when I can use the same $ to buy directly from the items shop?
How is merc-ing for gold in a system with gems bought for RL cash any different than for ingame gold? All the gold you amassed isn't illegal since the guild bought the gems and just sold them for ingame gold anyway.
You said yourself, WoW does and they're subscription-based. I don't see how the RMT will facilitate this as even the guild will have to gauge the market for the gem prices and whether it'd be simpler just to pay out with ingame gold or not.
Whether you sell your account later or just the gold, it'd still be possible or done without the RMT.
If someone wants to do something illegal, they are going to do it. The best you can do is set up as many road blocks as possible to make it not worth their while. the bottom line is, why in the world would a gold farmer go through this much trouble for agame, where there are other games that make it easier and more profitable. Sure, any system can be screwed over at any time. But the risk is high in Guild Wars, and the reward of loosing real money and time won't be something that will fly with most folk.
Same reason people still get caught and banned using RMT in Eve. Isk sellers undercut the going rate and people take the risk of buying it cheaper. If detection is very good and bans permanent and swift, that won't be an issue in GW2, but relying on 'lawful' competition doesn't work. It might help cut down on the worst of it, but it doesn't stop it.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Because they're much cheaper, of course.
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I guess you are right, they will still do it anyway. I am not sure how anet is the bad guy here though. Damned if you do, damned if you don't it seems like. If it cuts down a huge chunk of these idiots I'm all for it
One of life's lil hand grenades
Cause the gold seller through gold farming will be able to sell you them for cheaper. 2k gold equals 20 gems equal 20 dollars(numbers just for example). If you can buy gold from gold seller 2k for $10 then you can get twice as many gems. Gold seller wins. Microtrans will not get rid of gold sellers if anything make them worse because the act of paying for gold is not illegal and there is no ethical issue with paying a gold seller for gold if you are a player