You know after thinking about it more, I think user reviews are best treated kind of like a "Rotten Tomatoes" of games. Where a "positive" review gets essentially a 100% always, and a "negative" review gets a 0% always.
But on average you get quite an accurate score on how the gaming community feels.
That's what I'm saying, too. I think it averages out to be pretty accurate, even if individuals tend to be ridiculously extreme.
Also, I'd expect it to fall as the game ages, not rise. The biggest surge of positivity always seems to come when a game launches. Maybe TOR will be an exception to that, but I don't know why it would be. Especially being an MMO. As your average gamers get tired of a game (as they tire of ALL games) they tend to rate it lower.
you can just look at past metacritics and see average reviews overall on meta are generally a tad lower than critic review average but ARE pretty accurate view of how the general gaming population view the game
Yes thats why this game maintains an 8.40 on this site that is full of sandbox fanboies.
That is why BF3 out sold CODMW3 and so on.
Because Metacritic user reviews always represent what the majority of games think.
And you believe the users of this site accurately represent the larger gaming public? Interesting ... *scribble*
You know after thinking about it more, I think user reviews are best treated kind of like a "Rotten Tomatoes" of games. Where a "positive" review gets essentially a 100% always, and a "negative" review gets a 0% always.
But on average you get quite an accurate score on how the gaming community feels.
That's what I'm saying, too. I think it averages out to be pretty accurate, even if individuals tend to be ridiculously extreme.
Also, I'd expect it to fall as the game ages, not rise. The biggest surge of positivity always seems to come when a game launches. Maybe TOR will be an exception to that, but I don't know why it would be. Especially being an MMO. As your average gamers get tired of a game (as they tire of ALL games) they tend to rate it lower.
you can just look at past metacritics and see average reviews overall on meta are generally a tad lower than critic review average but ARE pretty accurate view of how the general gaming population view the game
Yes thats why this game maintains an 8.40 on this site that is full of sandbox fanboies.
That is why BF3 out sold CODMW3 and so on.
Because Metacritic user reviews always represent what the majority of games think.
in MOST cases yes it does not all but most.. but just go look through histories of games the AVERAGE is pretty accurate
If you read the reviews alot of them is bringing up the same thing that the critiques on this forum have. Shallow themepark, WoW copy, single player game, poor character customization, instanced and artifical world etc.
It seems that people are not as easily fooled anymore.
Then voting 0-3.
I have yet to play a game that diserves that, have you?
PLENTY of games deserve 0-3 you play the new
Jurrasic Park game? so bad.. how about star trek online? just horrible.. there are plenty of awful games out there
I cant see STO being much worse than SW:TOR
oh it WAS! or should I say IS
I mean I did play STO, i got the boxed copy, yeah it was bad but not worse than any other f2p MMO i played at that time.
Mostly it was just so incredibly dull.
Actually it is pretty much just COH/CO with spaceships, since cryptic made it.
Seriously cryptics needs to be barred from making any more MMOs...
And you believe the users of this site accurately represent the larger gaming public? Interesting ... *scribble*
Fuck no, and that is a huge FUCK NO.
This site (let that sink in once more) gave TOR an 8.4 while metacritic gave it a 5.1.
This site that hates TOR judging from 90% of you posting here gave TOR an 8.4.
I actually don't think most of the people here HATE TOR...yes there are some, I will not deny. I think that most of the people here are CRITICAL of TOR. I consider myself to be pretty critical of it, but as I said before I am enjoying it and would give it an 8.
You know after thinking about it more, I think user reviews are best treated kind of like a "Rotten Tomatoes" of games. Where a "positive" review gets essentially a 100% always, and a "negative" review gets a 0% always.
But on average you get quite an accurate score on how the gaming community feels.
That's what I'm saying, too. I think it averages out to be pretty accurate, even if individuals tend to be ridiculously extreme.
Also, I'd expect it to fall as the game ages, not rise. The biggest surge of positivity always seems to come when a game launches. Maybe TOR will be an exception to that, but I don't know why it would be. Especially being an MMO. As your average gamers get tired of a game (as they tire of ALL games) they tend to rate it lower.
you can just look at past metacritics and see average reviews overall on meta are generally a tad lower than critic review average but ARE pretty accurate view of how the general gaming population view the game
Yes thats why this game maintains an 8.40 on this site that is full of sandbox fanboies.
That is why BF3 out sold CODMW3 and so on.
Because Metacritic user reviews always represent what the majority of games think.
but this site is more about the hype than actual reviews of the game, isn't it? so, pre-release, it was 8.4. i wonder, if it was reset and we started again, would the 8.4 rise, or fall?
Star Trek online is better then Star Wars the Old Republic.
According to you the above is what the majority of gamers think.
Metacritic is shit, and should never be used to judge how fun a game is.
"Pretty accurate" implies some understanding of shades of grey, and margin of error. Anyone who thinks Metacritic is 100% accurate would be a fool, but it is pretty accurate. It gives some indication of quality and popularity, to be taken with a grain of salt. If you choose to call it completely meaningless, you'd be just as foolish as the person calling it 100% accurate.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
And you believe the users of this site accurately represent the larger gaming public? Interesting ... *scribble*
Fuck no, and that is a huge FUCK NO.
This site (let that sink in once more) gave TOR an 8.4 while metacritic gave it a 5.1.
This site that hates TOR judging from 90% of you posting here gave TOR an 8.4.
i actually find mmorpg.com's community to be an anomaly in many ways. kinda culti-ish i suppose.
i dont think many people are hatin on TOR because it's cool to hate on TOR. the game is genuinely subpar, and sort of an insult to contemporary gaming and the SW franchise.
The game really does suck ALOT.I mean atleast they could add targeting mechanics like Tera or Dragon nest not such lamerish click to attack,not that not alot mmmos arent like that but atleast when u want to hype friend over to tell him somethin cool.Atm idk how to hype a friend bout this game when the shooting indeed is idiotic and the combat lame.Sry this game not cool.Would wait for those online shooters like Tribes or Firefall cause lost fate in those rpgs really western developers are lame,cant think any originality.FFS even blade and soul is amazing and its now Free.Jeez
It's the first day of official release. Can't the haters around here wait until the free month ends and we see how the game fares afterwards before falling all over themselves to call SWTOR a failre?
Oh, wait. I'm talking about the bitter haters on this site. Never mind.
Anyone slightly intellignet can see that the vast majority of the bad writes ups are nothing but subjective content.
It's a shame that any random internet user can express their "opinion" no matter how subjective, and have it affect scores that only average numbers regarding the votes.
No filter on the malacious, biased, or just plaing entitled and stupid. Folks that like the game are playing it and outweigh the number of reviews/opinions period.
And would you feel this dismissive if the majority of those reviews were positive and praising of TOR?
I'll put $20 on "No, you wouldn't". You'd be affirming them as "valid opinions".
I'd bet a further $20 that every person in this thread slamming the negative reviews and launching ad-hominems at the reviewers for daring to not like TOR and, worse, demonstrating the unmitigated audacity to actually say so, would be praising and holding up those reviews as "proof of how awesome TOR is" if they were positive.
$100 says I would win both of those bets.
Honestly, the responses/reactions of some people in this thread are just as hysterical, biased and predictable as the most critical of those on Metacritic. It doesn't matter what they're saying, how much or how little they've played or what they do and don't like about the game. All they have to do is criticize it and that's it... they're ripped to shreds without a second thought.
Why are some of you people so absolutely engraged when someone expresses a dislike for something you enjoy? Why all the intolerance and hostility toward a differing opinion? Are some of you so insecure in your own point-of-view, that you feel you have to tar, feather and rip apart any who doesn't share it?
Seriously. They're just opinions, folks.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Star Trek online is better then Star Wars the Old Republic.
According to you the above is what the majority of gamers think.
Metacritic is shit, and should never be used to judge how fun a game is.
"Pretty accurate" implies some understanding of shades of grey, and margin of error. Anyone who thinks Metacritic is 100% accurate would be a fool, but it is pretty accurate. It gives some indication of quality and popularity, to be taken with a grain of salt. If you choose to call it completely meaningless, you'd be just as foolish as the person calling it 100% accurate.
When it comes to games like TOR, COD and the WoW X-pacs, yeah its pretty meaningless.
Fact is TOR, COD and a plethera of other games that the users on metacritic hammered with 0s and 1s deserve a much higher score.
Being a critic and having an opinion are two different things, for instance In my opinion RIFT was a pretty poor game 7ish if you will, my critique of the game however would be much more positive, its a well polished game that has plenty of features to offer, about an 8.
I think its funny that there are only 11 "mixed" and 117 "good" and 108 "negative." Really, 11 mixed? If people want to complain that the game isn't what they wanted it to be, then thats fine, but anything below a 4 or 5 doesn't make much sense, nor does anything above an 8 or so. Right now we have a bunch of people who are giving it 0 or 1 and 10s. I don't think it makes much sense to even allow a score of 0, to me that basically means that you couldn't even get the game to run through no fault of your own, that the game is broken beyond repair (from a technical standpoint not a content/mechanics subjective one). The polarization is amazing.
I read well over 50 of those review comments on Meta, and every low rating there was pissed off because the game was too Story centric for them, too much and RPG, and too little a combat MMO. Hmm, after 5 years of putting up with the stat junkie, group centric, gear twinkin fools from all these MMOs out there I say its ABOUT DAMN TIME SOMEONE CAME OUT WITH AN RPG MMO THAT ACTUALLY HAS A STORY WORTH PLAYING!!
All I wanted to say on this topic.
I'm sorry but this is just disgusting... you credit the story of TOR?... have you played Lotro?...
Turbine is a million times better at telling a story than what Bioware has done with TOR.
It's the first day of official release. Can't the haters around here wait until the free month ends and we see how the game fares afterwards before falling all over themselves to call SWTOR a failre?
Oh, wait. I'm talking about the bitter haters on this site. Never mind.
So i'm guessing since you are using amazon as an argument, its accurate if i use amazon as an argument too.
It doesn't matter which day of release it is, especially in MMOs where open/closed betas have taken place.
I beta-d Perpetuum, I could honestly write up a review with my opinion before launch and then copy-paste it on MC at launch, because most MMOs don't change their core-mechanics, stories, etc. from beta.
I mean seriously. There have been like a gazillion people playing this game prior to launch, they all have the right to post their opinion.
You know after thinking about it more, I think user reviews are best treated kind of like a "Rotten Tomatoes" of games. Where a "positive" review gets essentially a 100% always, and a "negative" review gets a 0% always.
But on average you get quite an accurate score on how the gaming community feels.
If this communinty (MMORPG.com) thinks that TOR is an 8.41 game then I don't see how the gaming community that comprises of normal people think any less of it.
Let that sink in.
As I recall, I saw some awesome scores, like more than 9.5 for mediocre F2P chinese grinders. mmorpg.com's user score is pretty much useless until at least a week after release. It's a well known fact around here that it's bugged regarding new releases.
I read well over 50 of those review comments on Meta, and every low rating there was pissed off because the game was too Story centric for them, too much and RPG, and too little a combat MMO. Hmm, after 5 years of putting up with the stat junkie, group centric, gear twinkin fools from all these MMOs out there I say its ABOUT DAMN TIME SOMEONE CAME OUT WITH AN RPG MMO THAT ACTUALLY HAS A STORY WORTH PLAYING!!
All I wanted to say on this topic.
I'm sorry but this is just disgusting... you credit the story of TOR?... have you played Lotro?...
Turbine is a million times better at telling a story than what Bioware has done with TOR.
It's the first day of official release. Can't the haters around here wait until the free month ends and we see how the game fares afterwards before falling all over themselves to call SWTOR a failre?
Oh, wait. I'm talking about the bitter haters on this site. Never mind.
So i'm guessing since you are using amazon as an argument, its accurate if i use amazon as an argument too.
It doesn't matter which day of release it is, especially in MMOs where open/closed betas have taken place.
I beta-d Perpetuum, I could honestly write up a review with my opinion before launch and then copy-paste it on MC at launch, because most MMOs don't change their core-mechanics, stories, etc. from beta.
I mean seriously. There have been like a gazillion people playing this game prior to launch, they all have the right to post their opinion.
You know as well as we do that the majority of the negative posts of Metacritic have not even played the game. The only reason you're defending them is because of your "3" rating on metacritic. Fine, hate the game, but why not move on to a game you like?
I don't see what the problem is. They played it safe with TOR, and they got a mediocre score on Metacritic. Five out of ten is exactly what I expected to see before the page loaded, and that's round about what I'd score it.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Problem is they're not called User Opinions. A review implies some level of impartial critique. You're writing about the product, not your own personal being. In a review i don't care what the writer hates, his dislike of a function says nothing of the performance of that function. If he can't put his own personal beliefs aside to offer an informative look, he's no longer reviewing the product or it's quality. I don't want a reviewer projecting their feelings on to me, reviews should be void of emotional attachment for the present or missing features of the product. This is why I stopped reading professional reviews when they stopped hiring "reviewers" and started hiring "storytellers".
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Comments
And you believe the users of this site accurately represent the larger gaming public? Interesting ... *scribble*
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-2
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim
I declear that Mass Effect 2 is better then Skyrim.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/duke-nukem-forever
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3
Duke Nukem Forever is better then Call of Duty MW3.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-trek-online
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-the-old-republic
Star Trek online is better then Star Wars the Old Republic.
According to you the above is what the majority of gamers think.
Metacritic is shit, and should never be used to judge how fun a game is.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I mean I did play STO, i got the boxed copy, yeah it was bad but not worse than any other f2p MMO i played at that time.
Mostly it was just so incredibly dull.
Actually it is pretty much just COH/CO with spaceships, since cryptic made it.
Seriously cryptics needs to be barred from making any more MMOs...
Fuck no, and that is a huge FUCK NO.
This site (let that sink in once more) gave TOR an 8.4 while metacritic gave it a 5.1.
This site that hates TOR judging from 90% of you posting here gave TOR an 8.4.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
and so are these forums aparently...
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
I actually don't think most of the people here HATE TOR...yes there are some, I will not deny. I think that most of the people here are CRITICAL of TOR. I consider myself to be pretty critical of it, but as I said before I am enjoying it and would give it an 8.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
but this site is more about the hype than actual reviews of the game, isn't it? so, pre-release, it was 8.4. i wonder, if it was reset and we started again, would the 8.4 rise, or fall?
By that logic, no one would be playing Modern Warfare 3, since Metacritic users gave it a 2.1.
"Pretty accurate" implies some understanding of shades of grey, and margin of error. Anyone who thinks Metacritic is 100% accurate would be a fool, but it is pretty accurate. It gives some indication of quality and popularity, to be taken with a grain of salt. If you choose to call it completely meaningless, you'd be just as foolish as the person calling it 100% accurate.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
...after they bought it.
Huge sales numbers and low scores mean that a bunch of people will not buy your product -next time-
i actually find mmorpg.com's community to be an anomaly in many ways. kinda culti-ish i suppose.
i dont think many people are hatin on TOR because it's cool to hate on TOR. the game is genuinely subpar, and sort of an insult to contemporary gaming and the SW franchise.
The game really does suck ALOT.I mean atleast they could add targeting mechanics like Tera or Dragon nest not such lamerish click to attack,not that not alot mmmos arent like that but atleast when u want to hype friend over to tell him somethin cool.Atm idk how to hype a friend bout this game when the shooting indeed is idiotic and the combat lame.Sry this game not cool.Would wait for those online shooters like Tribes or Firefall cause lost fate in those rpgs really western developers are lame,cant think any originality.FFS even blade and soul is amazing and its now Free.Jeez
Except that the only low numbers I'm seeing are the ones from Metacritic. Amazon, OTOH, has the game rated at 4 stars overall:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Old-Republic-Pc/dp/B001CWXAP2
It's the first day of official release. Can't the haters around here wait until the free month ends and we see how the game fares afterwards before falling all over themselves to call SWTOR a failre?
Oh, wait. I'm talking about the bitter haters on this site. Never mind.
And would you feel this dismissive if the majority of those reviews were positive and praising of TOR?
I'll put $20 on "No, you wouldn't". You'd be affirming them as "valid opinions".
I'd bet a further $20 that every person in this thread slamming the negative reviews and launching ad-hominems at the reviewers for daring to not like TOR and, worse, demonstrating the unmitigated audacity to actually say so, would be praising and holding up those reviews as "proof of how awesome TOR is" if they were positive.
$100 says I would win both of those bets.
Honestly, the responses/reactions of some people in this thread are just as hysterical, biased and predictable as the most critical of those on Metacritic. It doesn't matter what they're saying, how much or how little they've played or what they do and don't like about the game. All they have to do is criticize it and that's it... they're ripped to shreds without a second thought.
Why are some of you people so absolutely engraged when someone expresses a dislike for something you enjoy? Why all the intolerance and hostility toward a differing opinion? Are some of you so insecure in your own point-of-view, that you feel you have to tar, feather and rip apart any who doesn't share it?
Seriously. They're just opinions, folks.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
When it comes to games like TOR, COD and the WoW X-pacs, yeah its pretty meaningless.
Fact is TOR, COD and a plethera of other games that the users on metacritic hammered with 0s and 1s deserve a much higher score.
Being a critic and having an opinion are two different things, for instance In my opinion RIFT was a pretty poor game 7ish if you will, my critique of the game however would be much more positive, its a well polished game that has plenty of features to offer, about an 8.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I think its funny that there are only 11 "mixed" and 117 "good" and 108 "negative." Really, 11 mixed? If people want to complain that the game isn't what they wanted it to be, then thats fine, but anything below a 4 or 5 doesn't make much sense, nor does anything above an 8 or so. Right now we have a bunch of people who are giving it 0 or 1 and 10s. I don't think it makes much sense to even allow a score of 0, to me that basically means that you couldn't even get the game to run through no fault of your own, that the game is broken beyond repair (from a technical standpoint not a content/mechanics subjective one). The polarization is amazing.
I'm sorry but this is just disgusting... you credit the story of TOR?... have you played Lotro?...
Turbine is a million times better at telling a story than what Bioware has done with TOR.
..Cake..
It's like the Apple - PC wars. People are simply too much predisposed about games in general.
To me? So far it simply is the most diverse, compelling, addictive and fun themepark I ever played, bar none.
My brand new bloggity blog.
And MW3 has a 2.5 star rating on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-3-Pc/dp/B00503EAG2/ref=sr_1_1_title_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1324422280&sr=1-1
So i'm guessing since you are using amazon as an argument, its accurate if i use amazon as an argument too.
It doesn't matter which day of release it is, especially in MMOs where open/closed betas have taken place.
I beta-d Perpetuum, I could honestly write up a review with my opinion before launch and then copy-paste it on MC at launch, because most MMOs don't change their core-mechanics, stories, etc. from beta.
I mean seriously. There have been like a gazillion people playing this game prior to launch, they all have the right to post their opinion.
As I recall, I saw some awesome scores, like more than 9.5 for mediocre F2P chinese grinders. mmorpg.com's user score is pretty much useless until at least a week after release. It's a well known fact around here that it's bugged regarding new releases.
I can accept that you like it for the reasons you said... but with all honesty.. how on earth is TOR diverse ?.... seriously...
..Cake..
Opinion
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
You know as well as we do that the majority of the negative posts of Metacritic have not even played the game. The only reason you're defending them is because of your "3" rating on metacritic. Fine, hate the game, but why not move on to a game you like?
I don't see what the problem is. They played it safe with TOR, and they got a mediocre score on Metacritic. Five out of ten is exactly what I expected to see before the page loaded, and that's round about what I'd score it.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Problem is they're not called User Opinions. A review implies some level of impartial critique. You're writing about the product, not your own personal being. In a review i don't care what the writer hates, his dislike of a function says nothing of the performance of that function. If he can't put his own personal beliefs aside to offer an informative look, he's no longer reviewing the product or it's quality. I don't want a reviewer projecting their feelings on to me, reviews should be void of emotional attachment for the present or missing features of the product. This is why I stopped reading professional reviews when they stopped hiring "reviewers" and started hiring "storytellers".
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson